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February 20, 2014, 07:37:12 AM
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« Reply #75 on: February 20, 2014, 07:37:12 AM »
As you might imagine, I did 'speak to' the PO.... :wink:
Turns out when he decided to sell the boat, a friend wanted the hyd jack plate that was mounted on it....so he sold the plate and remounted the motor on the transom. When he was telling me it ran well up on plane, he 'forgot' that was BEFORE the remount!  
Since T/T motor was not working, no pre-purchase water test was done.
I suspect he had it all the way down and it made enough of a difference.....although I don't see how it could get the full 5" lower.
Would a manual jack plate help? Seems like you would run into tilt/trim problems with motor /plate all the way down if you could not bring it up hydraulically first.

On the 5" extension plan.....if I find a 5" housing, Bay Mfg will sell me the guts......but still runs into serious $$$
If I add the housing, could I use the drive shaft, shift shaft, and water tube from a 25" motor, along with some stainless allthread for studs? How much more involved the repair? As opposed to using the stubs from Bay?

February 20, 2014, 08:15:23 AM
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« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2014, 08:15:23 AM »
Water over the dam now....but something smells like a crappie :? .

February 20, 2014, 08:35:49 AM
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« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2014, 08:35:49 AM »
I was actually thinking about a jack plate yesterday, they get 6" of travel so you could just mount the jack plate 5" lower to get the motor where you need it and raise it all the way to get the clearance to tilt it up for transport. However, after looking at the pricing for a 6" setback, you need to make the decision:

1) Spend the money on a jackplate, mount it and have a solution, or...

2) Spend the money on the extension kit, see what all breaks (since you don't know how long it has been since it last came apart), and have a solution.

I guess what I'm saying is option 1 leaves you with a true know upfront cost, and option 2, which is the more correct option in my opinion, leaves you with a known upfront cost and unknown back-end costs.

It's only money, right. :roll:

Good luck!
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February 20, 2014, 10:26:38 AM
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« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2014, 10:26:38 AM »
Quote from: "Aquamaniac"
As you might imagine, I did 'speak to' the PO.... :wink:
Turns out when he decided to sell the boat, a friend wanted the hyd jack plate that was mounted on it....so he sold the plate and remounted the motor on the transom. When he was telling me it ran well up on plane, he 'forgot' that was BEFORE the remount!  
Since T/T motor was not working, no pre-purchase water test was done.
I suspect he had it all the way down and it made enough of a difference.....although I don't see how it could get the full 5" lower.
Would a manual jack plate help? Seems like you would run into tilt/trim problems with motor /plate all the way down if you could not bring it up hydraulically first.

On the 5" extension plan.....if I find a 5" housing, Bay Mfg will sell me the guts......but still runs into serious $$$
If I add the housing, could I use the drive shaft, shift shaft, and water tube from a 25" motor, along with some stainless allthread for studs? How much more involved the repair? As opposed to using the stubs from Bay?

A factory 25" engine has a longer driveshaft, water tube and shiftshaft which means you have to find another gearcase in working condition to use according to your plan... So a good used gearcase is $500 plus you have to now buy the extension casting so no gain there. I strongly recommend you buy the entire kit from Bay and avoid alternative cost cutting. These kits and hardware are designed to take the torsional load and stress created by the engine. Could be catastrophic if you have a hardware failure.
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February 20, 2014, 12:08:06 PM
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« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2014, 12:08:06 PM »
I agree with Farley. Bay makes a quality product, have had zero issues with those he installed on the twin Mercs. The company reports they have never had a unit returned for any reason.

If you ever decide to sell, and the new owner wants to go back to 20 inch....remove the kit, you're back to original.

You COULD install a jackplate as per Carl's scenario #1....but you'd be drilling four new holes in the transom, and at least two of the bolts will be in the bilge. Plus no guarantee she'd tilt completely out of the water....the cowl may engage the transom prematurely. Additionally, its still a 20 inch motor, and in the ocean, coming to a stop etc., you'll be dealing with washover. Higher the better for the powerhead....you can get that accomplished with the Bay product.

February 20, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
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« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2014, 02:41:40 PM »
OK..I hear you....go with the extension rather than jack plate.
Here's what I have come up with, so maybe you can clarify a couple things.....
I found someone with 5" extension housing, long drive shaft, long shift shaft, and  long water tube for $225.
Is it possible to make this work without a huge amount of additional expense in additional parts/labor???
I realize the Bay Mfg kit would be optimal choice, but if I can 'getrdun' for $500 LESS....well, that would be my Baystar hydraulic steering kit!!
Please share your thoughts......thanks once again!

February 20, 2014, 03:06:41 PM
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« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2014, 03:06:41 PM »
The jack plate is only a viable option if you are putting a 25" motor on a 20" transom.  So it is not an option in your case.  

The extension with the longer lower unit parts may work but you would have to tear into the lower unit to change the drive shaft (basically converting your lower unit from a 20" shaft to a 25").  Fitz is the man to answer that question.
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February 20, 2014, 03:51:15 PM
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« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2014, 03:51:15 PM »
Quote from: "Aquamaniac"
OK..I hear you....go with the extension rather than jack plate.
Here's what I have come up with, so maybe you can clarify a couple things.....
I found someone with 5" extension housing, long drive shaft, long shift shaft, and  long water tube for $225.
Is it possible to make this work without a huge amount of additional expense in additional parts/labor???
I realize the Bay Mfg kit would be optimal choice, but if I can 'getrdun' for $500 LESS....well, that would be my Baystar hydraulic steering kit!!
Please share your thoughts......thanks once again!

Regarding money:

If you or a friend/acquaintance in the marine business have a Federal Tax ID #....you can buy the Bay product at wholesale. Take 30% off the quote.



February 20, 2014, 04:28:28 PM
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« Reply #83 on: February 20, 2014, 04:28:28 PM »
Quote from: "wingtime"
The jack plate is only a viable option if you are putting a 25" motor on a 20" transom.  So it is not an option in your case.  

The extension with the longer lower unit parts may work but you would have to tear into the lower unit to change the drive shaft (basically converting your lower unit from a 20" shaft to a 25").  Fitz is the man to answer that question.

Bruce is correct; you have to disassemble your gearcase and replace the driveshaft and shift shaft with the longer components.
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February 20, 2014, 05:25:17 PM
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« Reply #84 on: February 20, 2014, 05:25:17 PM »
Correction, shift shaft height on the gearcase is the. Same. You have to pull the powerhead and replace the upper shift shaft with the 5" longer version! Buy the Bay kit and SAVE money. I know it sucks to have to deal with this on a boat purchase. If you wanted to pull the boat up here, I'll do the conversion with you for nothing; how's that! You buy the spirits and consumables. Drop ship the kit here so I can paint the extension housing and the rest is easy. Scotty will vouch for me. I do for our members!
1973 Aquasport 22-2, twin 115 Mercs
2000 Baycraft 175 flats boat, 60 Bigfoot Merc
1968 Boston Whaler 13, 25 Yamaha (project)
1966 Orlando Clipper 13, 9.9 Merc

February 20, 2014, 05:39:37 PM
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Re: Bought a boat!
« Reply #85 on: February 20, 2014, 05:39:37 PM »
Quote from: "fitz73222"
Correction, shift shaft height on the gearcase is the. Same. You have to pull the powerhead and replace the upper shift shaft with the 5" longer version! Buy the Bay kit and SAVE money. I know it sucks to have to deal with this on a boat purchase. If you wanted to pull the boat up here, I'll do the conversion with you for nothing; how's that! You buy the spirits and consumables. Drop ship the kit here so I can paint the extension housing and the rest is easy. Scotty will vouch for me. I do for our members!

You da man, Fitz! :cheers:
Craig

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February 20, 2014, 06:59:26 PM
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« Reply #86 on: February 20, 2014, 06:59:26 PM »
Fitz, that is truly an amazing offer....Hardly know what to say except I certainly thank you for it   :cheers:   If I was closer I would be knocking on your door with cold beverages in hand!

I will talk to Chuck when he gets back from the Florida Flywheelers show. I am sure he has Fed tax ID and would help me out. At this point I have to say it makes the most sense to go the Bay Mfg route and just move on.

Tried to be productive and get out of the motor funk by scrubbing the boat. Really came clean. Even 'detailed' the 'rope' insert in the rub rail.
A little wax tomorrow and it will look like a new boat! Happy, happy, happy.  :D

What do you guys recommend for bringing back the teak??

How about a few spider stress cracks...is there something that can fill them and hold up?
 
All in all......even in the face of the motor snafu....I am really excited about this whole project.  I feel it will turn out to be a GREAT boat at reasonable cost.

February 20, 2014, 08:30:07 PM
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« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2014, 08:30:07 PM »
Quote from: "fitz73222"
Correction, shift shaft height on the gearcase is the. Same. You have to pull the powerhead and replace the upper shift shaft with the 5" longer version! Buy the Bay kit and SAVE money. I know it sucks to have to deal with this on a boat purchase. If you wanted to pull the boat up here, I'll do the conversion with you for nothing; how's that! You buy the spirits and consumables. Drop ship the kit here so I can paint the extension housing and the rest is easy. Scotty will vouch for me. I do for our members!

I am proud to vouch for Farley! He did a better and more careful job than a professional. NEVER did he resort to a BFH to beat on the lower unit, which is the course even "professionals" use to stay on the shop schedule.

Not only will you get a superlative job...he's a great guy to hang with! :thumright:

How far are you from Daytona? I'm 11 hours away :mrgreen: and would not hesitate to pull down there again tonight :salut:

February 21, 2014, 05:38:54 AM
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« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2014, 05:38:54 AM »
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Quote from: "fitz73222"
Correction, shift shaft height on the gearcase is the. Same. You have to pull the powerhead and replace the upper shift shaft with the 5" longer version! Buy the Bay kit and SAVE money. I know it sucks to have to deal with this on a boat purchase. If you wanted to pull the boat up here, I'll do the conversion with you for nothing; how's that! You buy the spirits and consumables. Drop ship the kit here so I can paint the extension housing and the rest is easy. Scotty will vouch for me. I do for our members!

I am proud to vouch for Farley! He did a better and more careful job than a professional. NEVER did he resort to a BFH to beat on the lower unit, which is the course even "professionals" use to stay on the shop schedule.

Not only will you get a superlative job...he's a great guy to hang with! :thumright:

How far are you from Daytona? I'm 11 hours away :mrgreen: and would not hesitate to pull down there again tonight :salut:

Evidently, Farley is not familiar with Mercury's service manuals and special tools catalog...  Mercury Special tool 99-00001  BFH
 LMAO !!!    J/K Farley

February 21, 2014, 06:10:16 AM
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Re: Bought a boat!
« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2014, 06:10:16 AM »
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: .....have to confess I have subscribed to the 'it needs a bigger knockometer' school of thought on more than one occasion. Especially working on old farm equipment.  8)

However, the plus side of this FrankenMerc, especially what seems to be a formerly freshwater one, is the BFH is not required. We had the lower unit pulled.... without issue..... to check the impeller (new, btw!) ....so hopefully this kit should go on fairly well.

Fitz....any special pointers I should be aware of??
Thanks again.

 


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