1968 22-2 FB rebuild

[RickK]

That woven appears to be in the right area where the baitwell and viewing windows might have been though.  So the question is why would those patches be there

From another 68:

[Aswaff400]

the outline where it looks like patches is extra glass i didnt grind down where they glassed the stringers and bulkhead...



heres a pic from when i started demo


heres pics as it sits


port side not completely ground down yet


starboard side mostly ground down

[gran398]

Maybe the window cutout was part of the mold

If it were to be a diver, install the lexan....if not, glass over it

The stringers are funky there too, matches right up with that box Rick shows.

Another flatback mystery to be solved.

[Group W Bench]

Aaron,

You may have discovered this, but there is a strip of 3/4" plywood running down the center of the keel of this boat. If the keel has been worn down from beaching on the exterior, there will likely be saturation/rot of this wood keel insert. Removing the center stringer is the only way to access and remove this wood. I would eliminate the center stringer all together anyways, as if the outside stringers are beefed up and bulkheads added, the center stinger is superfluous anyway. At least that is what we are doing on the 68 Diver which we are currently restoring.

[Aswaff400]

well the new code enforcement guy stopped by(a neighbor complained) and introduced himself, saying that i cant have the boat in the driveway/yard from 8am monday to 5pm thursday i explained to him that my ONLY days off are monday and tuesday, i bring the boat home late sunday after work, its hitched up and out the driveway by 7 am wednesday, and eric (our old code enforcement guy) had no problem with this... i also said the boat will probably be in our driveway just about every monday and tuesday until completed. he said since we have a larger back yard, if we can get it behind the fence then he could care less about the boat and what the neighbors think...

we know which neighbor ALWAYS complains about the boats... i really hate living in the city some times


on a side note the grinding is about 99% done for the inside of the hull. it is ready for glass..

[RickK]

Aaron,

You may have discovered this, but there is a strip of 3/4" plywood running down the center of the keel of this boat. If the keel has been worn down from beaching on the exterior, there will likely be saturation/rot of this wood keel insert. Removing the center stringer is the only way to access and remove this wood.

Eugene, what do you think the intention of that strip of wood was in the original design? Based on an uneducated guess (mine  ) I would venture to say that it was not installed at the start of the original mold build unless it was after the first few layers of glass were installed (based on the "beaching" thought above) otherwise it would be very close to the "outside" of the hull. My 170 had a gouge in it from a previous owner that I didn't see and that gouge eventually allowed water to wick up and into the foam in the front half of the boat.  Now I'm ready to rebuild the boat (and motor).
I see the strip in all the older boats including my 170 (replaced sole once already) but not sure what the internal value is.  At some point I thought it was a standoff for the fuel tank....

[dburr]

 he said since we have a larger back yard, if we can get it behind the fence then he could care less about the boat and what the neighbors think...

we know which neighbor ALWAYS complains about the boats... i really hate living in the city some times


on a side note the grinding is about 99% done for the inside of the hull. it is ready for glass..

Yes but what he is NOT telling you is you have to apply to the HOA for a variance to the HOA rule X sub para Z1a to widen your gate so the boat will fit through.    Because the gate will no longer be grandfathered the city will now have to be notified and a permit applied for and the fee will be $267,000 because it now is being built in a flood zone and has to meet the criteria imposed by the Army Crops of Engineers for levies and flood gates..  

You know which neighbor it is? My Dad was a radio engineer and figured out how to build an ultrasonic annoyance transmitter.  I was like 5 so I don't remover much about it other then when it was on and running you had absolutely no desire to be in front of it..  Sounds like you gotta find one of those gizmos and aim it JUST right...

You have my deepest sympathy...

[saltfly]

That’s why when we retired, we bought 5 acres of property on a small back road. Its in the woods, with a farm behind me and 65 acres of woods across the road. Being in the woods, lets me do what ever I want, with out neighbors complaining. I can go out on the back porch and take a wiz if I want, and not have any one complain or complaining about getting a shower down below. :jocolor:    

[Group W Bench]

Aaron,

You may have discovered this, but there is a strip of 3/4" plywood running down the center of the keel of this boat. If the keel has been worn down from beaching on the exterior, there will likely be saturation/rot of this wood keel insert. Removing the center stringer is the only way to access and remove this wood.

Eugene, what do you think the intention of that strip of wood was in the original design? Based on an uneducated guess (mine  ) I would venture to say that it was not installed at the start of the original mold build unless it was after the first few layers of glass were installed (based on the "beaching" thought above) otherwise it would be very close to the "outside" of the hull. My 170 had a gouge in it from a previous owner that I didn't see and that gouge eventually allowed water to wick up and into the foam in the front half of the boat.  Now I'm ready to rebuild the boat (and motor).
I see the strip in all the older boats including my 170 (replaced sole once already) but not sure what the internal value is.  At some point I thought it was a standoff for the fuel tank....

Rick,

The strip of 3/4" ply is glassed into the keel indention in the mold. They layup is as follows:
1) Gelcoat entire hull mold
2) Skin coat entire hull mold in chop strand mat
3) 24 oz roving and putty in 1" keel running down boat
4) Level off putty with bottom of hull
5) 24 oz roving
6) Chop strand mat
7) 24 oz roving

That is the basic original factory laminate schedule of these old flatbacks. It is much easier to fill the keel w/ wood and putty and level off with the bottom of the hull, as the subsequent laminates are simply laid atop a flat surface. If they glassed all of the lams into the keel recess, it would take substantially more time to roll out the material in the hard narrow corners. Filling with wood and putty saved them hours of labor.

[wessnapp]

well the new code enforcement guy stopped by(a neighbor complained) and introduced himself, saying that i cant have the boat in the driveway/yard from 8am monday to 5pm thursday

Aaron, that is unbelievable.  I am sorry to hear you were reported.  Looks like it's time to place some pavers up to the side yard....

[Group W Bench]

Wes,

Why did you call code enforcement on poor Aaron. That's just not right. ;)

[CaptSteveBetz]

I dont know about the city of St. Pete but in Tampa (from what I can remember) back when I got cited for a code violation they gave me 30 days to take care of it.
If that is the case in St. Pete, let them cite you then keep working on it until a day or two before they come back out to reinspect.
Once they have cleared it give it a few more days and bring it back and go to work. Let them cite you again and work another 30 days.

[gran398]

That's a terrific idea Steve.

Aaron, go for it bro. Your nice neighbor deserves it. Too bad all of the grinding is done....you could have pointed the fan in the appropriate direction.

[wessnapp]

Wes,

Why did you call code enforcement on poor Aaron. That's just not right. ;)

I called because Aaron hadn't updated his thread recently and I wanted to give him something to talk about.

[seabob4]

Aaron,
You can always bring her to my place if you want.  Hell, my neighbor Fred behind us always wants to know, "Whatcha doin' now?"  He's an old crabber from Miami.  First time he saw a Vrod, he says, "WTF IS THAT!!!"

Interesting on the extra glass in what might have been the viewing window area of the hull.  That didn't get there by accident.  The mold for that hull most likely had "recievers" tooled in to accept the viewing windows.  A standard boat would have mold inserts installed before the hull was laid up.  Once the hull was pulled, there would be some finish work on the seams on the hull bottom, and some additional layers of glass laid down in the interior.  Stamas did that exact process on the 31, 32, and 34 express, I/B versus O/B.  I/B propshafts lived in tunnels, an O/B hull had inserts installed in the tunnels...