84 Morse Controls (hydro)

[Whitewater]

Hi Gang,

I am looking for any information on where to attain parts for a 1984 (I believe) set of Hydraulic Morse controls.  At this moment I am looking for the bleeder screws that are a part of the control piston.  I would be willing to buy many more parts if the right situation presented itself as I understand these are hard units to get a hold of.  I just rebuilt the helm with a seal kit that the p/o had given me with the boat at the time of sale. Obviously i am in a position where I need to purge/bleed the system and without these two little bad boys I am up the creek without any steering.

I can post additional pictures if needed..............

Thank you in advance Aquasport fans!  

Chris

[Whitewater]

I should give further details

1984 AS 222 sandpiper dual console
1987 Merc 2.5 liter 200 hp

as always any additional info needed I will get right on it.

Thank you,

Chris

[seabob4]

Chris,
Email my friend Marc at Teleflex, they own Morse and Hynautic.  madams@teleflex.bc.ca

He can help...

Tell him Bob C sent you...

[Whitewater]

Bob I thank you very much I have sent him an email this morning!  I had sent you an email yesterday but obviously since I was able to post here you can disregard.

How are things going with you?  Any new projects?

[seabob4]

Bob I thank you very much I have sent him an email this morning!  I had sent you an email yesterday but obviously since I was able to post here you can disregard.

How are things going with you?  Any new projects?

Chris,

Here is the latest, a Triton LTS 220 bay boat that I have basically "cleaned up" for the owner...

Before...






After...





It's a lot happier now...

[Whitewater]

I struck out with Marc on the bleeder screws..... his suggestion was to buy a new Piston his reccomendation was to "Go with steering cylinder part # HC5313-3" I am still trying to swallow the fact that I am going from $5.00 in parts to $500.00 in a piston replacement because no one on the planet has a pair of these laying around, and no one can machine them    

I know nothing about matching up old to new on a boat.  I have the basic mechanical skills and know that if one lines up with the other I will be able to manage this task with no problems but if it starts taking funky twists and turns I am going to be really challenged.  I have never taken anything hydro apart before and I managed to tackle the helm steering pump with only minor issues moslty due to tecnique in reassembly.  Next time it will only take 1/4 of the time  

Any ideas on the technical side you couuld offer would be tremendously apprecieated.  My main concern is that I am going to buy the piston for the x amount of $$ and then I will find out that I will need to replace the entire control arm assembly.  


For the record this piston as it turns out is in fact really a Morse controls piston.  No one around where I am in Mass has ever seen one they all know the Hynautic pistons with the Morse helms.  I should offer this unit to a boating museum when this is all said and done as it is apparently such a rare piston !  LOL!!

Chris

[GoneFission]

Chris - take one of the bleeder screws to NAPA or another auto parts place and see if they can match it.  These are usually not unique items - you might find a suitable replacement for a couple bucks...  

[Whitewater]

Bob I thank you very much I have sent him an email this morning!  I had sent you an email yesterday but obviously since I was able to post here you can disregard.

How are things going with you?  Any new projects?

Chris,

Here is the latest, a Triton LTS 220 bay boat that I have basically "cleaned up" for the owner...

Before...






After...





It's a lot happier now...

That is some of the prettiest wiring I have ever seen!  I have just started to get into learning 12volt electrical work.  Right now I am just happy that when I put it together that "something" lights up!!   I just put about 500 watts of lighting on my F-350 I managed to keep everything hidden so all you see is the lights which is nice but god help you if you look any further than the surface!  Okay i't not that bad but boy it is nothing like the artwork that you put together!

I have no idea how to trace a problem other than trial and error.  Example; I could trim the outboard up but not down so I strarted with the switch, I reversed it in the throttle controls and I still had the same issue (nothinhg was happening when the switch was depressed) It had to be electrical I thought so I traced the wires as best I could and assumed that it was a selonoid that I found corroded to all hell.  Very excited that I had figured it out I swapped out the unit and fired up the batteries even got the wife out side to celebrate my victory of the dasterdly problem.  Ah then nothign happened when I triggered the switch again.... GRRR  making it short from that point I found a connection burried in the hull that was so corroded that it only had a bout one strand of connection left to it.  Spliced a new connection in and it was good to go.  Now I throw the party  :jocolor:  if I only had the knowledge of how to test the solenoid then I could have saved 25 bucks and 40 minute round trip to the parts departement.

[Whitewater]

Chris - take one of the bleeder screws to NAPA or another auto parts place and see if they can match it.  These are usually not unique items - you might find a suitable replacement for a couple bucks...  

Hey Cap'n thank you for taking the time to offer up some advise!  


I have hit every auto parts store from Boston to the Cape as well as boat salvage yards and marina's and even mechanics shops.  There was lots of but scratching in many of the stores until I got to one of the old timers in a NAPA store whol dragged out a secret stash box and came up with a really close match that was worth a shot.  We came up with a close one but it does not screw in far enough to stop the bleeding before it bottoms out.  Fear of what it might be hitting inside the valve body of the piston has prevented me from pushing it in further than hand tight.  the tread depths are slightly different as well as the crown over the bleeder hole in the top (piston side) of the screw.  I tried filing down the crown thinking that it would allow for further burrial of the threads but after taking off an 8th of an inch from the top of the crown point it is still not working yet.  I do have intentions of filing further but I am not super hopeful that I will have that hallelujah moment just yet.

What angers me is that the P/O knew this was a slow leaking issue for years but did nothing about it aside from continually dropping more fluid in the helm.  As a result one of the bleeders is completely dissintegrated in the piston but it is holding fluid.  Not bleedable and will have to be extracted with an easy out. I am angered at that part but at the same time he was good enough to have purchased a Helm seal rebuild kit 20 years ago when he bought the boat second hand and he did give me that kit when I purchased it.  Otherwise I would be completely burried in what would at that point essentially be a stright line drag boat LOL!  

Chris

[seabob4]

Chris,
First, congrats on getting in and tracing down an electrical issue!  Not fun, but worthwhile, and look at the bright side, you could have paid a marina over $200 to do the same thing you did...for free!

Can you post a pic of the bleeder fittings?  One of us might say, "Aha, I know what those are!"  On the other hand, we may say, "Damn, never seen nothing like that before..."

[flounderpounder225]

Chris,
Have you thought of "adapting" out of the existing port, and then installing a newer bleeder assy.  You said one of the prts has a broken fitting in it? if the other hole has good threads, a local hyd shop might be able to make a suggestion, by matching up the thread pitch for a female adapter, then inserting some type of bleeder instead of the style you currently have set up.  Just a thought
Marc

[Whitewater]

Chris,
First, congrats on getting in and tracing down an electrical issue!  Not fun, but worthwhile, and look at the bright side, you could have paid a marina over $200 to do the same thing you did...for free!

Can you post a pic of the bleeder fittings?  One of us might say, "Aha, I know what those are!"  On the other hand, we may say, "Damn, never seen nothing like that before..."

You are right Bob!   I thank you for the congrats!!  

I can "take" a picture however I am not able to "post" a picture with my limited forum experience.  This is harder than actually working on the boat LOL!  I can email it to you however if that would work?

Chris

[seabob4]

Chris,
First, congrats on getting in and tracing down an electrical issue!  Not fun, but worthwhile, and look at the bright side, you could have paid a marina over $200 to do the same thing you did...for free!

Can you post a pic of the bleeder fittings?  One of us might say, "Aha, I know what those are!"  On the other hand, we may say, "Damn, never seen nothing like that before..."

You are right Bob!   I thank you for the congrats!!  

I can "take" a picture however I am not able to "post" a picture with my limited forum experience.  This is harder than actually working on the boat LOL!  I can email it to you however if that would work?

Chris

Yeah Chris, you can email me the pic, I'll post it.  Use my gmail account, seabobfour@gmail.com

[dburr]

PM sent.  

[seabob4]

Well, here's the bleeder fitting in all it's glory...



I'm saying take it to a hydraulic shop.  And I'm a bit miffed at Marc Adams at Teleflex basically telling you to ditch a good steering cylinder simply because it needs a pair of $2 bleeders... :x