1987 Aquasport CCP222

[fishinonthebrain]

I think cap. Bob has it just right. My 150 Yamaha pulls my transom down a little more then my 175 Johnson did. But my over all water line didn’t change much. So I had planned to mount my bracket, when I build it, just where Capt. Bob did. My water line is just about the same as his.

Can you measure your water line for me? You have a 222CCP right?

[fabuck71]

Looking good

[saltfly]

Fish sorry for taking so long getting back. Had a little problem called sandy. My water line was at 4 !/2” measuring from the chime were the side meets the transom. It is now 6”. The reason being, the motor change. The weight of my 175 Johnson was 393 Lbs. the new 150 Yamaha is 468 lbs. Why I say the average water line did not change, because the bow has a little more rise to it. In my opinion, these boats are a little sensitive to weight on the transom. I never had water come in the rear drains till I changed motors. Now when sitting in the water and only me at the transom, water comes in the drains and flows over the deck to were the beginning of the front  edge of the splash well. So that is why I would mount it were Capt. Bob mounted his. That weight will pull your transom down.

[Capt. Bob]

As a reference, the 96 Evinrude weight 450+ lbs. and was mounted 26" off the factory transom using the bracket/platform. The bracket was advertised as having floatation (air trapped in motor mount). I also had a 17 gal. bait well mounted on the platform on the starboard side. That added about 100+ lbs. when in use. I used the platform to fish off of and that (at the time) added another 180 lbs. so.......
Last I heard, boat hasn't sank.

I kept expandable plugs in my drains (cockpit) and they worked fine at keeping my feet dry.
Just a thought.

[saltfly]

A friend who is a guide of the Chesapeake also uses these expendable plugs in his chawk to keep his and his clients feet dry. i would prefer not to use them if i don't have to. I fish off shore with my boat and their is almost always wind and I would prefer the spray that comes in, goes out.  My point was I never had to use them before the motor change and that on these boats, some times a little weight can make a difference in how the boat sits on the water and how it performs. I feel that yours is placed right for the weight that was added.  Sence fish has at this time a chance to do his the best way the first time and not have to do it over, he is asking the right questions. Also mine hasn’t sunk yet either.  

[fishinonthebrain]

Thanks Alex yours is coming along well too.

[fishinonthebrain]

Fish sorry for taking so long getting back. Had a little problem called sandy. My water line was at 4 !/2” measuring from the chime were the side meets the transom. It is now 6”. The reason being, the motor change. The weight of my 175 Johnson was 393 Lbs. the new 150 Yamaha is 468 lbs. Why I say the average water line did not change, because the bow has a little more rise to it. In my opinion, these boats are a little sensitive to weight on the transom. I never had water come in the rear drains till I changed motors. Now when sitting in the water and only me at the transom, water comes in the drains and flows over the deck to were the beginning of the front  edge of the splash well. So that is why I would mount it were Capt. Bob mounted his. That weight will pull your transom down.

No problem Saltfy glad you fared ok looks like just north of you did not take to the storm very well. Man what a disaster and I have seen what huricanes can do like Andrew when I lived in S. Florida to Katrina here in LA.

Thanks for the water line measurements I have some last minute figuring to do. I just got in some more glass and resin for the platform and will start soon since our cool front moved on. It's a race until the next cool front.  

[fishinonthebrain]

As a reference, the 96 Evinrude weight 450+ lbs. and was mounted 26" off the factory transom using the bracket/platform. The bracket was advertised as having floatation (air trapped in motor mount). I also had a 17 gal. bait well mounted on the platform on the starboard side. That added about 100+ lbs. when in use. I used the platform to fish off of and that (at the time) added another 180 lbs. so.......
Last I heard, boat hasn't sank.

I kept expandable plugs in my drains (cockpit) and they worked fine at keeping my feet dry.
Just a thought.

Thanks Capt. Bob you have been a lot of help I appreciate it.

[fishinonthebrain]

Well it looks like my 225 optimax comes in at 497 a little more than Capt. Bob and Saltfly's engines so I will be looking at some water coming in possibly. I was thinking of those ping pong scuppers from keeping water from coming in and letting it out when you are on your way? Do they work or are they just a pipe dream?  

[saltfly]

Fish the Max flows are in my opinion the best in these type of drain covers. They work the best when mounted on the transom. Not as well when mounted on the side. I made a mistake an bought the other brand for my 19-6 . They don’t work that well, so I’ll be changing them to the max flows. I also like the fact, you can take them off with a twist to clean them. My other ones you can’t unless you take out the mounting screws. I get leave in mine and their a pain to clean.

[Capt. Bob]

I was thinking of those ping pong scuppers from keeping water from coming in and letting it out when you are on your way? Do they work or are they just a pipe dream?  <!-- s:mrgreen: --><!-- s:mrgreen: -->

Here's one member's experience with the side mounted PP scuppers.

http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=8109.msg64549#msg64549

The drain system on CCPs isn't a terrible design but as noted, additional weight in the stern can lead to damp toes. In the earlier model aquas, you'll find plenty of comments on keeping water out of the stern area when there are several people fishing or re-powering has lead to the use of a heavier engine. On these earlier models, the ping pong ball scuppers have been used with success and a search will show that a fair amount of members do indeed like them. The CCPs however have a different type of self bailing cockpit with the drains using a displacement method to remove water and are located on the hull sides. Not good for devices protruding into the water flow.
I often pondered that if I had re-built my old CCP, I might have relocated the drain hoses (re-plumbed) to empty into the bilge. Of course the thru hull side drains would need removal and re-glassing but that could be handled properly during the re-build. Draining into the bilge eliminates the need for the expandable plugs in the deck and keeps the toes dry. Yes, one needs a properly installed and functioning bilge pump with float switch/chip type but it's something that really should be in place anyway.

I see no downside to draining "cockpit to bilge" at all. If the boat is trailered, removal of the drain plug (SOP) is all that is needed if the hull is stored in the elements. If the boat is kept in a slip, then a functioning bilge is a necessary item anyway. Additional weight of engine or corn fed fishing buddies are no longer factored in, at least up to a point. <!-- s:roll: --><!-- s:roll: --> During prolonged periods of rain, the electrical source for the pump(s) would need closer monitoring but then I would think that too would be SOP for slip dwellers. <!-- s:idea: --><!-- s:idea: -->

Just a thought.

[saltfly]

I don’t know what your plans are for your drains. I did notice you glassed the holes in the sides. What you may want to think about, which is what I’m going to do. A friend suggested I put them out the transom. Since you are rebuilding it any way. I also was looking again at your pic. Of your boat with your bracket. Did you have trim tabs? It looked like there is a shadow line were they where. If you mount your bracket were it is in the pics. It look like you will interfere with remounting your tab cylinders.
Also thanks for showing all the pics. I’m going to be referring to them a lot when I redo my 222ccp and build my bracket.  

I also went back an looked at keths redo of his 222ccp open transom (reef or madness). His bracket is also mounted even with the top of his transom.

[gran398]

The biggest issue the CCP owners are having is clogged drains/hoses. Through the years they just get an accumulation of stuff down them.

Since you're changing her around...how about straight out the back end like Salt is doing?

[fabuck71]

Or out the side.  I'm getting those black plugs and closing mine off from the inside when not rough or getting spray over the side!

[Capt. Bob]

I also went back an looked at keths redo of his 222ccp open transom (reef or madness). His bracket is also mounted even with the top of his transom.

So there's no confusion, (it may just be me who's confused) Keith's "new" rebuild is my "old" CCP. Same bracket and motor. I removed the trim tabs and installed them on my 91 WAC. Therefore, with the mounting of the top of the platform flush with the old style transom cutout, there was room for the tabs but......

While the tab location themselves did meet Bennett's minimum clearance standard between tab and lower unit, I would have liked to have mounted them a little further out (closer to the chine) but that would have interfered with the upper actuator mount. That stated, while tab performance was excellent, I'd bet it would have been a noticeable difference (less tab/more action) so.....

With Fish closing in his transom, he could mount the platform a little higher to allow for the optimum tab mount position and still get the benefit of the bracket/platform.