1975 19.1

[lac8362]

just purchased 1975 aquasport 19.1 i have not found any pictures that look like my boat was curious if the year on the title is wrong

[pete]

anythings possible! post up some pics and someone will be able to identify it,and welcome!

[Capt. Bob]

Pete's right.
Every picture tells a story.
Date on the paper title is more of a "guideline"

[aquaaggie]

I could be wrong (there's always a remote possibility of something crazy happening), but if it's a '75, then it's a 19'6; if it's a 19'1, then it's late '60s, or maybe very early '70s. There are a lot of threads on here that you can hunt through to get more information, but I just purchased a 1974 19'6, and had done about a year's worth of researching on here prior to that.

A couple of pointers to help point you in the right direction until you get pics up:

Prior to 1973 or 1974 (I can't remember which), HINs were not mandated. My 19'6 has a HIN stamped into the transom on the upper port side. If you have a 1975, and the transom had not been redone, it would definitely have this number stamped in it...should begin with "ASP..." for Aquasports from that era coming out of Hialeah.

Also on the port side, just around the corner from the area where the HIN would be, boats of our vintage (assuming early '70s) had a louvered vent that was positioned aft of the Aquasport badge (assuming you don't have the badges intact, as this would give you a clue on the 19'1 vs 19'6 issue), but if the boat hasn't been restored/repainted/etc, you might still have the rivets and/or outline of the badge. I can not remember for sure of the 19'1s had this vent, but do some searching on here and you can likely find it.

Also, what does your front casting deck look like? Are there 3 rectangular hatches that all run forward-aft (as opposed to 3 placed in a pyramid structure that run port-starboard)?


My guess without knowing anything about your situation? You've got a 1975 19'6 that was simply titled incorrectly as a 19'1. Although you could just as easily have an incorrectly titled year, the 19'1s (being older and closer to AS's birth) are much more rare. As stated previously, pics will help tremendously- cant wait to see what you got!

[Blue Agave]

If it's an Aquasport, I'd bet that the title has a typo and that you have a 1972 Aquasport 19-1.

[lac8362]

i just added a few pictures to help with the ID trying to nail down the year title says 1975 puzzled mike

[Blue Agave]

Nice boat!  It's not a '75, they did not make the 19-1 in '75.  As I posted earlier, I bet that the title has a typo and its a '72.

[aquaaggie]

http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4505&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Here's a thread from a while back of someone who was rebuilding a '69 19-1- boat matches up to yours pretty much exactly, less the console which looks to have been moved forward on yours. I'm pretty sure they made them up until '71 (at the latest); I think there are some threads about the history of the models that you can search for, and also possibly some brochure pictures from way back when. I noticed your boat still had the badges on it- check and see if they match the ones in the thread I posted (I found it interesting that they referenced the original boat company (Coburn & Sargent), even after the Aquasport name was being used (and, theoretically, after one had bought out the other). Your deck hatches and transom definitely confirm that yours is one of the 19-1's, which were the predecessor to the 19-6.

I thought my '74 was a piece of history...you got a heck of a vessel there. Good looking boat, and good luck with it.

[gran398]

http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4505&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Here's a thread from a while back of someone who was rebuilding a '69 19-1- boat matches up to yours pretty much exactly, less the console which looks to have been moved forward on yours. I'm pretty sure they made them up until '71 (at the latest); I think there are some threads about the history of the models that you can search for, and also possibly some brochure pictures from way back when. I noticed your boat still had the badges on it- check and see if they match the ones in the thread I posted (I found it interesting that they referenced the original boat company (Coburn & Sargent), even after the Aquasport name was being used (and, theoretically, after one had bought out the other). Your deck hatches and transom definitely confirm that yours is one of the 19-1's, which were the predecessor to the 19-6.

I thought my '74 was a piece of history...you got a heck of a vessel there. Good looking boat, and good luck with it.

Excellent sleuthing aa

And agree with Fern (BA)....the title is bass ackwards.

This is a classic 19-1. A pic of the imbedded transom numbers will tell the true story. The high, original bowrail...spec'd for the NE market by the dealers there...more provenance.

She's had some augmentation...the spray rail is an addendum...and trash the old poly Todd...but this ain't Antique Road Show.

 lac...you've hit a home run...enjoy your new girlfriend

[Capt. Bob]

Since everyone is pulling stuff out of the air, here's my guess.

The pic of the title leads me to believe that it was issued in Mass. as a home built hull and that the year was a "guess". HINs were required starting sometime in the later part of 1972.

Is there a HIN number attached to the back of the transom?

The title reads that it is an original, for joint ownership and was issued in 1992. The serial # begins with MSZ. That would fit what I stated to begin with (Mass home built) and we have seen this many times with these older hulls.

My guess:
No HIN because it was not required at time of manufacture.
Serial # generated by the State of Mass. using data from one still present inside the hull on the port side toward the stern. Many of the older Aquas still have these attached.
The 1975 is what was though the year was.

I like guessing because when I'm proven wrong, I learns something so....
To prove my guess is ridiculous, look for the HIN on the back of the transom. It may not have been embossed in the hull but rather attached with rivets (and as such, gone). Look along the inside of the hull (think rod holder area) toward the stern on the port side for an Aquasport plate (most likely plastic). This would have the Aqua name an a number (again guessing) that is the hull number as it came through production, two or three digits long.

Good luck.

[GoneFission]

Looks like that's a post-73 model with the 12 degree deadrise hull.  1975 could be about right.  The waterline spray rail has been added somewhere along the way; other than that it looks pretty original.  It's hard to tell by the pic and the bottom paint, but it should have a lift strake in the bow to help it plane.  Pre-73 models did not have that lift strake and were slow to plane at times.

[Capt. Bob]

About what year did they have that pad running from the transom forward? It's hard to see also.

More insight. Read the entire thread dealing with date and HIN/homemade classification.

viewtopic.php?p=61441#p61441

There are other links in this thread for more confusion.

[aquaaggie]

I was under the impression that the original 19-foot Aquasport was the 19-1, and that it was later changed to the 19-6. I don't think that the 19-6 ever had anything but the stepped transom, but rather that the 19-1 always had the straight lines that the OP's boat has, as well as the one in the rebuild I linked above. I was also under the impression (potentially erroneously) that the 19-1 was made from '69-'71, and that the first 19-6s were introduced in '72 (clearly, they would never have 2 19-ft offerings at the same time, so this implies that the two never overlapped in production). From there, the 19-6 was essentially the same model from '72-'75, whereafter the Walter's design was applied to the 19-6, just as it had been to the 22-2. As for deadrise, this picture would seem to allude to a slight degree as opposed to a true "flat-back"...has it ever been documented that a flat-back was ever offered in a 19 foot? I'm 99% certain that no 19-6 flat-backs ever existed, but I'm not sure on the 19-1. Would AS have made different deadrises in their 19 and 22 foot offerings in the same period?


Brochures/article on the early 19-6 from the photo gallery. You can see that an article was written about the 19-6 in '72, and references a "predecessor", but does not mention whether it was another 19-6 or 19-1, but judging by the brochures below, the predecessor had to be the 19-1, and that 1972 was the first year for the 19-6.
http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=542

Here's a brochure for all models in 1971 from the photo gallery. References two versions of the 19-1: "Gull" and "Osprey". Clearly, no 19-6 for this year. It would appear that OP has a "Gull" version, with the console up forward rather than further aft.
http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=570

Brochure for all models, 1969, from the photo gallery. Again, references a 22-2 and a 19-1, no 19-6 (obviously). In this year, the brochure notes the names "Osprey" and "Gull" on the 19-1, but also includes a couple of real good pictures. You can see clearly the straight transom and, if you look closely at the "Osprey" picture, you can see the 2 hatch deck, with hatches opening opposite, just like OP's. Also, there is a page on the "Gull", which somewhat depicts the layout differences (profile picture, as opposed to an aerial look), and notes a 70 gal gas tank, vs. the Osprey's 50 gal. Also says it drafts 8''.
http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=569

This thread has an OLD picture (c. 1969) of a 19-1 in the water...same deck set-up as the OP's, with the console pushed way up to the casting deck.
http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5520&hilit=%2A191%2A&start=15


Given all this information, I'd think it's safe to say that you've got a '69-'71 19-1 and, as noted above, the boat was self-titled incorrectly. Might be able to trace the title and see when the 1975 year was assumed (possibly done in 1975 as the original self-title, and they used the current year?). Anyhow, that's a cool boat- not sure we've seen too many (or any) of that particular size and model from any members on here, so you might just be one-of-a-kind! I'd really like to see some closer pictures of your transom, to get a better look at the deadrise.

Pretty cool thread; maybe it'll help add to the history thread that someone started? Looks like the info is out there- just have to go get it!

[Skoot]

Wow A+ report  

There are a few 19-1's on here that show good pics of the deadrise. check the link that captbob posted above.  Im not sure why but everyone on here refers to it as a "Pad" hull/deadrise

[dbiscayne]

finally someone with another 19-1 forward console.  On mine 'Gull' had been written by hand on the bottom of the console shelf and can still be read though it doesn't appear theres any differences between the Osprey model & the Gull console other than the location?  Mines titled as a '71.
The pics in the link posted above are of my boat, had to take a short timeout in the rebuild process, but heres what the original seat & lima bean paint looked like.


and the transom