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February 09, 2012, 01:51:26 AM
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Couple feet bigger?.
« on: February 09, 2012, 01:51:26 AM »
Not looking yet, but in about 8month some big payments will be over :cheers:
My 22 FF has served me well for the last 20 some years, but cuddy and storage space really suck. Getting too dam old to be crawling in and out of the cuddy on my knees....40 some years in auto body takes it toll On the joints.
Will be looking to upgrade to something in  25 ft range...not new, but structurally sound. I have never been fond of euro transoms....if that is what they are called....but  unless I am willing to buy a boat pre mid 90s  that will probably need some structural repairs...which i am not into doing a rebuild...I should probably get used to the idea Of the outboards set 2 ft back from the transom. The 250 Explorer  is kinda of intriguing . Any one have a opinion?
 What outboard hp would it need to cruise at 30mph comfortable. Any pros or cons. Could the hull handle a pair of 4 strokes in the 150 hp range.  Any quality issues, things to look out for
Like I said not ready yet but just thinking ahead

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February 09, 2012, 02:16:56 AM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 02:16:56 AM »
Bill,
The hull can handle the 4-strokes, Yam, Zuke, and the new Merc 150 would be a good choice, the Merc being the lightest at 455 lbs., only about 20 lbs. heavier than an Etec.

Talk to Wing, his "new" 245 is the exact same boat...


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February 09, 2012, 08:27:40 AM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 08:27:40 AM »
Bill,

That 245 wing just picked up would be perfect. Huge cockpit, runs great, reasonably priced. Poured composite transom. No transom rebuild...ever.

His has a single 225 Oceanrunner. If you wanted twins...twin 130's would be all she needs. Twin 150's would be a ball of fire IMHO.

February 09, 2012, 11:26:15 AM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 11:26:15 AM »
Bill,  I was never a huge fan of the euro transom either.  But on a 245/250 explorer they are great.  The deck space on my new to me 245 is HUGE!  I too had a cuddy cabin boat and climbing up on the bow to drop the anchor was a REAL pain in the a$$.  Thats why I went to the walk around 200 XF and now to the 245 Explorer.  Getting to the bow is very easy on a true walk around.   The euro transom really grew on me once I was on a boat with one.  Yes you loose some deck space and on a smaller boat that could be an issue but on the 245 it's not.  I have yet to go out and really run her since I'm planning on doing some maintenance first.   As Scott said twin 125 or 130s would be good, twin 150's would probably fly.  A single V-rod 250 would be cool!  I plan on putting on a kicker on mine for now.
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February 09, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 11:40:42 AM »
Bill I hate to say it here but if you don't like Euro transoms Dusky is a good boat.
Scott
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February 09, 2012, 12:32:14 PM
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 12:32:14 PM »
I kinda like the bracket mounts, a 25 is truly a 25, not a 22.5 with 2.5 feet of unusable (virtually) space aft of the transom wall.  But, as Scott and Bruce pointed out, the cockpit is big on a 245/250, so the Euro-transom is not so noticable as it might be on a 225.


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February 09, 2012, 12:54:19 PM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 12:54:19 PM »
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I kinda like the bracket mounts, a 25 is truly a 25, not a 22.5 with 2.5 feet of unusable (virtually) space aft of the transom wall.  But, as Scott and Bruce pointed out, the cockpit is big on a 245/250, so the Euro-transom is not so noticable as it might be on a 225.


Yup I consider my 245 a 22.5 with a molded on bracket.  The built in livewell and transom door were big selling point for me.  Great for fishing and diving.  That being said there is WAY more than 2 more feet of cockpit space than there is on my 200XF.
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February 09, 2012, 04:28:31 PM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 04:28:31 PM »
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so the Euro-transom is not so noticable as it might be on a 225.

Boy that's the truth, I really notice it when parked next to Ricks boat, same boat just no Euro.
Scott
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February 09, 2012, 05:43:00 PM
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 05:43:00 PM »
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I should probably get used to the idea Of the outboards set 2 ft back from the transom. The 250 Explorer  is kinda of intriguing . Any one have a opinion?
 Bill

Older hull but a 250. Don't see them often and truly a "one of a kind" Aqua.
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February 09, 2012, 06:14:46 PM
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 06:14:46 PM »
I really like my euro transom,never have to worry about to much weight in the stern,wont take a wave over the stern,easy accsess while diving or swimming,lots of freeboard!a lot of the space you would gain  is taken up by the motor well,splash board,cables,hoses etc.works great for me,I have had both styles,like this one much better. but to each his own :salut:
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February 09, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 06:40:43 PM »
You gain more running surface too. Wing, what is your LOA sir?

February 09, 2012, 06:55:56 PM
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2012, 06:55:56 PM »
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You gain more running surface too. Wing, what is your LOA sir?

Not quite, Scott.  On the 225 and the 245/250s, the hull stops about where the transom "wall" is.  If it extended all the way aft, that would be sweet...but it doesn't.


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February 09, 2012, 07:30:32 PM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 07:30:32 PM »
So to that extent...it functions more like a bracket than an euro-transom, right?

February 09, 2012, 07:40:07 PM
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 07:40:07 PM »
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So to that extent...it functions more like a bracket than an euro-transom, right?

More or less.  But, and here's the kicker, bolted on brackets (or bolted on pulpits) CAN NOT be counted towards LOA.  

So, that being said, if you have a boat listed at 25' LOA per the manufacturer in their official documentation with the CG and the NMMA, and it has a bolted on bracket and pulpit, it's overall length will be more like 29'...

Note.  LOA and overall length are 2 different things... :roll:


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February 09, 2012, 07:48:22 PM
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Re: Couple feet bigger?.
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 07:48:22 PM »
Gotcha bro...good stuff.

That boat of wing's...and we talked about it when he was here... has a ton of room for 24 feet. On the trailer...to look at it, seems like 25-26.

 


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