Gun-toting Daytona grandma

[gran398]

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/ ... point.html

Here's another in Daytona:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/ ... -dead.html

[MarshMarlowe196]

Looks like Grandma's had enough  

[wingtime]

Nice!  I love it.  The heck with 911 dial a prayer!  Just look at the wingnut looser that 82 year old man plugged!  What do you think would have happened if he wasn't armed?

I tell you what, I don't know about other states but I would think twice about being a thief in Florida.  There are tons of people now are carrying now (including me).  and you know what?  Not a single crime from a licensed concealed carry permit holder that I know of.  My girlfriends step dad and I were talking about concealed carry last night.  He was in Big Lots the other day talking to a gentlemen that was carrying, when another walked up and joined the conversation and he was packing too!

[John Jones]

In 2011 firearms sales hit a record all time high and crime was down more than it has been in years.

Permits are easier to get in AL than FL but I have FL & AL concealed carry permits.

[fitz73222]

What you guys missed is the tee shirt she was wearing.... Scum bag eradication patrol with a cartoon image of police chief Mike Chitwood, stuffing the scumbags down a toilet, who is a local hero around here. He comes from Philadelphia and is doing  everything to clean up Daytona which in reality has become the underbelly of the Florida east coast. I know  two police officers that work for him and would gladly sacrifice anything for him. This guy is out at 2am backing up his guys up. He is still a patrolman at heart and leads by example. A true leader.

[wingtime]

You mean this?  

[gran398]

You could tell by his quote that the Chief was no-nonsense on crime. Nary a question about charging the old gent who plugged the scumbag through the door.

Up here...there would have been charges...at the very least manslaughter. Argument would have been that a clear and present danger wasn't identified before the "murder".

Sure helps that the dirtwad had on a mask and was gripping the tools of the trade

[John Jones]

Shooting through a door is not wise.  I would say the Castle Doctrine does not apply until he has one foot inside.  Then blast his azz.

Here is another one for the good guys.
http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/Police-T ... 58769.html

[RickK]

What you guys missed is the tee shirt she was wearing.... Scum bag eradication patrol with a cartoon image of police chief Mike Chitwood, stuffing the scumbags down a toilet, who is a local hero around here.

t-shirt  Maybe they changed the pic since you saw it?

[wingtime]

Shooting through a door is not wise.  I would say the Castle Doctrine does not apply until he has one foot inside.  Then blast his azz.

What about the new stand your ground law?

[John Jones]

What about the new stand your ground law?

That's the "Castle Doctrine".  My thought is that the closer you are to the "line" of the law, the more likely you are to spend $10 grand on a lawyer even if you get off in the end.  If you are well inside the law then most likely you won't even have to go to the police station.  He is not going to do any harm if you wait until he has one foot in the door.

Here is one person's plain English interpretation of the FL Castle Doctrine.
The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:

One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]

Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.

[John Jones]

Here is an Pinellas Co. attorney's opinion on a case.

Florida's Castle Doctrine - When Can I Use Deadly Force?
August 4, 2009

Posted In: Legal News
By Pawuk & Pawuk on August 4, 2009 12:59 PM | Permalink

At the risk of losing some of my liberal followers, I'd like to blog about a recent news article where a man, in Land O Lakes, Florida,  was arrested for shooting a trespasser in his front yard.  The arrested man, who had no prior Florida arrest record, and whose wife and two small children were inside of his house,heard his front door jiggling, and went outside to confront the unknown man in his front yard.  When the man refused to leave, the owner of the property shot him and was subsequently arrested for aggravated battery with a firearm.  The police investigating this "crime" said "the situation did not require deadly force." (St. Petersburg Times article)

Under Florida Law, a person has the right to use deadly force when they have a reasonable fear that an unauthorized intruder is committing or about to commit a forcible felony in their dwelling or residence.  Unauthorized entry creates a presumption that a forcible felony is intended by the intruder.  Florida law defines "Dwelling" as a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night. Florida Statutes

Therefore, if someone is outside of your house in your yard, the "Castle Doctrine" does not apply.  However, according to the law, if they are attempting to enter your "dwelling", which was clearly what was happening in this case, because the man heard his front door rattle, the "Castle Doctrine" should apply.  In Pasco County Florida, it apparently doesn't count if the guy was "trying" to get into your house. (I won't go back on the soapbox about learning the law they are sworn to uphold)  I am assuming in this case that the door of the house that the man heard being "rattled" before he went outside to confront the intruder was attached to the house and part of his "dwelling." I'm sure the police will say the the rattling of the door handle and the subsequent shooting were separated by the intruder leaving and returning.  The returning of the intruder only seems to me to be a better reason to shoot him.

Call me crazy, but I think this guy was right.  The alternative of waiting around for the police in the middle of the night is just too risky when your family is in the house.  Hopefully this man will hire a good criminal lawyer.  Hopefully the public outcry of his arrest will cause the State Attorney to drop these charges.

http://www.pinellascountyfloridacrimina ... justi.html

[gran398]

Good stuff JJ. Pasco County? Hell, I can tell you about Pasco County...and I'm 863 miles away

[seabob4]

Good stuff JJ. Pasco County? Hell, I can tell you about Pasco County...and I'm 863 miles away

Me too, and I'm about 8 miles away...

[T Race]

Where to begin...

1) Here in California, crooks are, well, coddled and made to feel welcome through policies of inclusion via the sanctuary movement. Instead of the cool stories that we get from you guys back east, of empowered good citizens practicing self-responsibility and self-reliance, we have sad stories of good citizens being victimized by the policies of the Worst Coast moron elected officials.  
http://sfappeal.com/news/2012/01/they-s ... -ramos.php
If you didn't catch it in the story, the killer should have been deported long ago, but remained in San FranSicko because of their sanctuary policy.

2) Here in California, it is very, very difficult to obtain a concealed carry permit.  Until a couple of months ago, one could legally carry open, as long as the weapon was empty (huh?).... but our brainiac State legislators nixed that.  So, you can't carry open (empty) and unless you are Diane FrankenFienstien or Barbara Boxhead - or one of their orc minions - forget about you obtaining a CCW and exercising your Constitutional rights to bear arms and your natural rights to self protection and protecting your loved ones.

3) What JJ has in his signature block is, sadly, spot on.  I have always read JJ's remark, chuckled to myself, and thought - said another way - it could read:

 "When seconds count and the Cops are minutes away, you better hope you live in a "SHALL issue" State..."

Not fer nothing, but that is how I see things.  What do you think ?