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January 25, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 12:24:13 PM »
The best analogy for DC power I learned in 9th grade electronics class.  And that was to compare it to the flow of water.  Volts is like PSI.  Amps is like GPM.  My favorite line my teacher Mr. Wallace used was if he sprayed you with 500 psi from a little garden hose it might sting you a bit.  If he hit you with a 12" water main at 500 psi it would turn you inside out!  LOL.
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January 25, 2012, 12:31:21 PM
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2012, 12:31:21 PM »
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The best analogy for DC power I learned in 9th grade electronics class.  And that was to compare it to the flow of water.  Volts is like PSI.  Amps is like GPM.  My favorite line my teacher Mr. Wallace used was if he sprayed you with 500 psi from a little garden hose it might sting you a bit.  If he hit you with a 12" water main at 500 psi it would turn you inside out!  LOL.

Good analogy.  Take 2 16GA wires, one wired to positive, the other to negative.  Touch the bare ends together, little bitty spark.  Now do the same with 2 2GA barttery cables...BIG difference!!!  Yet both are only 12V...


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January 25, 2012, 05:01:50 PM
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2012, 05:01:50 PM »
Yup.  Ohm's Law can be used for hydraulics.

Wire = pipe
Battery = tank
resistance = size of pipe
Voltage = pressure
Amps = gallons (or whatever measure) per minute

A bunch of other electronics parts not normally dealt with in boat maintenance also apply.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_analogy
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January 25, 2012, 06:34:48 PM
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 06:34:48 PM »
Dang I learned something again!
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January 25, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 07:11:49 PM »
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Curious, Actually, the book Trace picked up, "The 12 Volt Bible for Boats" is probably the best read out there.  It's written very well, and pretty much goes on the premise that the reader is not entirely familiar with the concepts of 12V electricity and how it works.

The easiest way to describe the 12V concept is to imagine a circle, with a battery at the top of the circle, a device (light, pump, GPS unit, whatever) at the bottom of the circle.  12V flows to the device on the positive side of the circle, and flows back to the battery from the device on the negative side of the circle.  Interrupt any portion of the circle and you have no power.  That interruption is most commonly seen in the form of a switch.  When the switch is off, the contacts inside the switch do not make contact with each other, so the circuit is interrupted (open).  Turn the switch on, and the contacts touch each other, the interruption is gone (the circuit is closed), and viola, you have power.

The biggest problem facing boat owners is that when you turn on the switch, you have no power.  Unless the device has simply failed (burnt out bulb, burnt up pump motor, etc.), the fact that you have no power means that there is an interruption in the circuit somewhere else, an interruption that wasn't intended (a switch is intended).  So obviously, the trouble-shooting key is to find that unintended interruption and repair it.

There, easy isn't it?

Got it!  So that rats nest of wires under every boat console I've ever seen is actually a big circle, right?
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January 25, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 07:15:04 PM »
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Got it!  So that rats nest of wires under every boat console I've ever seen is actually a big circle, right?

I theory, yes, as long as everything works...a really convoluted, roundabout in a figure 88 kinda way...but a circle.  Circle is a relative term... :lol:  :lol:


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January 25, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 07:31:05 PM »
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.but a circle. Circle is a relative term... :lol: :lol:

Thought i heard my name  :wink:
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January 25, 2012, 07:58:08 PM
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2012, 07:58:08 PM »
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.but a circle. Circle is a relative term... :lol: :lol:

Thought i heard my name  :wink:

...hooked...circle hooked...

Damn boy, what are we gonna do with you???!!! :salut:  :salut:


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January 25, 2012, 08:23:46 PM
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2012, 08:23:46 PM »
Do it seabob we all need some help with wiring, I know I do mine is a mess, Going to start that as soon as you finish your book!!!

January 25, 2012, 08:55:47 PM
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2012, 08:55:47 PM »
You know, you guys, I very well may have to get after this.  But it's not going to come quick.  I want something that I can give to a boat owner that he can open up, read, understand, and use...and feel confidant in what he's doing...

And gotta have pics and vids...well, I have enough pics (that's for certain)...but vids work so much better...and then we could have an engine rigging section...

Hmmmmm.......


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January 25, 2012, 09:28:26 PM
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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2012, 09:28:26 PM »
Buy the book, and read it all you want guys, follow the pictures too and your wiring still will not be close to as pretty, last as long or be as functional as a Seabob job,  Less money in materials too if  you pay someone who does it day in day out to do it right the first time. Think of it like a cook book, 20 people can make the same recipe and not one will taste as good or look as good as the chef who makes it everyday, its all in the little details and technique!
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January 25, 2012, 09:55:04 PM
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2012, 09:55:04 PM »
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Buy the book, and read it all you want guys, follow the pictures too and your wiring still will not be close to as pretty, last as long or be as functional as a Seabob job,  Less money in materials too if  you pay someone who does it day in day out to do it right the first time. Think of it like a cook book, 20 people can make the same recipe and not one will taste as good or look as good as the chef who makes it everyday, its all in the little details and technique!
Capt Matt

Capt. Matt is pretty much spot on.  But I can give you a guide, some real basics, as well as a bit of insight into my "technique".  My technique is not the only one out there, but it's the method I use, I'm comfortable with it, it allows me to adapt to changes should they occur, and it works...

And, fortunately for me, I enjoy it.  I'll come up with something...


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January 25, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2012, 10:10:02 PM »
Bob what do you recommend to put on battery terminals to fight corrosion.
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January 25, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2012, 10:22:15 PM »
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Bob what do you recommend to put on battery terminals to fight corrosion.

Dielectric, can even use vasoline, or any marine grease, lithium, even the standard cheapie you've got in your garage.  The real key is to create a barrier the water (moisture) can't get through.  We all know grease and water don't mix, and a moisture laden environment is not going to displace the grease on the lugs and terminals.  When you need to deal with them, wipe most of it off with paper toweling and carry a spare rag handy for the grease you can't get off...

Not saying you have cheapie grease in your garage, Scott... :lol:


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January 25, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2012, 10:26:03 PM »
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Buy the book, and read it all you want guys, follow the pictures too and your wiring still will not be close to as pretty, last as long or be as functional as a Seabob job,  Less money in materials too if  you pay someone who does it day in day out to do it right the first time. Think of it like a cook book, 20 people can make the same recipe and not one will taste as good or look as good as the chef who makes it everyday, its all in the little details and technique!
Capt Matt

Capt. Matt is pretty much spot on.  But I can give you a guide, some real basics, as well as a bit of insight into my "technique".  My technique is not the only one out there, but it's the method I use, I'm comfortable with it, it allows me to adapt to changes should they occur, and it works...

And, fortunately for me, I enjoy it.  I'll come up with something...

Bob...you have a knack. And a bit of time spent, regardless of the venue....could pay big dividends later.

We're behind you for a number of reasons. But most importantly...with correct execution...it could be wildly successful.

Remember the little people :lol:  :lol:

 


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