Author Topic: Out-of the-box thinking on wet foam in my 79 19 6 (Read 1848 times)

imonna 19 6 · « **on:** November 08, 2011, 08:06:22 PM »

How do all,

Well the season is about over and me and my AS had a good year catching about everything we tried for, though the 40+ inch striper still eludes me. Now that i have a solid 6 months to ponder next years fishing, i am revisiting the wet foam issue. To recap,

I have a 19 6 that sits several inches too low and its has been determined that i have a good amount of soaked foam outboard of the two stringers.

i also have wet core in the floor, but no flex
I likely have damp core in the transom, but again no flex.

This is not my lifelong boat so I will not be doing a restore/rebuild.

On the other side of the equation I also cannot afford a better boat for several years and the extra weight is killing me in gas

My 19-6 with average gear and a 100 HP motor doesn't plane until 4200 RPM without trim tabs and around 3000 with, top speed is 26 MPH per GPS. I have been lead to believe this is not quite right.

so heres my question. is there a solution in between doing nothing and doing a restore that would save me a lot of money in gas.

Would pulling up the console, rigging, and floor in order to remove the water and foam, but then reglassing the same floor back down even work? I know it is not the right way, but since the whole thing needs a rebuild someday anyway, I dont care about cosmetics, just function and safety.

Any thoughts?

let the fiasco begin :bom:

Thanks
Bill

love2fish · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2011, 09:08:31 PM »

6 months of not using your boat would lend you plenty of time to chip away at tackling these issues. The longer you let that water/foam sit in your hull, the worse its going to get. stringers will start delaminating, cracking, ect...
I think it would benefit you to pull the floor, remove the wet foam and let it dry out. repair any damaged stringers,hull,.... that needs it and know that youre starting off from a solid dry point in the spring.
Depending on the size of your floor, you could start at the front and work back- so you have full width sheets going backwards, maybe leave the thinner piece towards the transom so if you ever have to cut the floor back to re-do it, you'd be cutting out the small piece.
From there- you'll know if the engine is under powered or just bogged down from all the extra weight of the water/foam.

I'm sure other people with the same size HP will chime in as to thier running numbers. And- you could always take your boat to a weigh station and see how much it weighs as a comparison to others on here (might give you a rough idea anyway).

Best of luck however you go...

gran398 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2011, 10:16:09 PM »

Bill,

Welcome back.

Strippers still banging the lures?

Thanks....please post some pics

flounderpounder225 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 09, 2011, 07:31:53 AM »

Quote from: "gran398"

Bill,

Welcome back.

Strippers still banging the lures?

Thanks....please post some pics

Scott,
There goes the coffee spewing out of my mouth again..

Can you take lures into those places at night??

Marc

Fletch170 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 09, 2011, 08:48:19 AM »

This is just getting ridiculous.

gran398 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 09, 2011, 09:28:35 AM »

My apologies...sometimes my pecking finger goes too fast and I type wrong, and sometimes I suffer from blurred vision, a part of the aging process I reckon.

The word should have been "stripers."

Anyhow, welcome back Bill!

Getting back on topic, we reviewed this pretty good this summer, it was one of the more "full circle" threads of the year.

If remember correctly, the conclusion was to sell as is, or pretty much a complete rebuild.

Basically the only way to remove the excess weight. Keep us posted!

imonna 19 6 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 09, 2011, 05:47:09 PM »

Yeah, I know we beat this death this summer. I just hate blowing all that gas money pushing around extra weight, but i cant afford the full rebuild or a new boat. Anyway, unless someone has a miracle idea, movin on...

here's my year in highlights. Enjoy

love2fish · « **Reply #7 on:** November 09, 2011, 06:21:04 PM »

do a search for Love2flycesena's- 1974 196 rebuild. Seems like if you did it the way he did, you could get buy with buying the absolute minumum of plywood,glass,ect...

GoneFission · « **Reply #8 on:** November 09, 2011, 08:46:12 PM »

OK, back to the original post? Here's some out-of-the-box thinking:

1. Cut a couple 3" holes in the deck toward the bow.
2. Get one of those long-reach 3/4" drill bits electricians use to run wires from one floor to another
3. Run the bit through the deck and cut several holes back toward the transom
4. Hook a shop-vac up to the hole (seal with duct tape) and start sucking the water out of the foam
5. Empty the shop-vac as needed
6. Keep the shop-vac on until little water is removed
7. Install a deck plate in the hole
8. Let the boat sit a while
9. Repeat the water extraction periodically until the foam is dry
10. Good to go next spring!

flounderpounder225 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 09, 2011, 09:32:13 PM »

Ok, I'm not an engineer, and I don't dispute at all that weight is added by the water logged foam, and this has been discussed at length everywhere. That being said, let's take water at 8 lbs per gallon, I don't know the dimensions of the stringers, but L X W X H /231 in inches would give you the total capacity of the stringers empty (approx. I know they are not rectangular), knowing they are filled with foam, volume for water is greatly reduced? Now lets take a 240 lb man, he equals 30 gallons of water. Question #1: for those that have completely rebuilt and seen the water logged situation first hand, do you really believe that you could have extracted a 30 gallon barrel of water from your boat? If yes, does one more more man on your boat slow you down that much? 60 Gallons.... 2 guys?? Maybe 1 -2 MPH?? Lower settling point while at rest, with scuppers closer to the water, yes. A significant decrease in top speed, and planing ability, not so sure about that. I would think the latter is more related to HP and propping. Just a theory on my mind....

Marc

GoneFission · « **Reply #10 on:** November 09, 2011, 09:41:12 PM »

I took over 200 lbs. of wet foam from under the decks on my CCP when I installed under-deck storage. Waterlogged foam is heavy!

gran398 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 09, 2011, 10:31:04 PM »

Bill, thanks for the pics! You are an excellent fisherman, you had a good fall. Hope the installed transom wave gates were effective.

Guys, need to review the previous thread. But based upon performance...and the previous waterline pics as posted...will speculate that this hull is substantially more than 400 pounds overweight. Maybe twice that.

Bill, did it ever go to the scales? As stated, need to review. Thanks.

Circle Hooked · « **Reply #12 on:** November 09, 2011, 10:53:06 PM »

Try the shop vac method, nothing to lose and it just might work.

gw204 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:32:30 AM »

You could also try marking the outside edges of your stringers on the hull bottom and then drilling a number of 1/2" holes through the hull bottom about 2" of your lines. If the boat is a wet as you say it is, the water should start draining out.

Once it stops dripping taper the holes with a grinder and then glass over them.

imonna 19 6 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2011, 03:56:09 PM »

oK. Some review points

The boat scuppers are properly located , but are 3 inches submerged when in the water.

based on pics and discussion, the front of the boat is lying proper, but the back is clearly lower in the water than it should be, based on waterline.

the stringers are damp, as it the transom, but exploratory holes in each resulted in no visible drainage. In regards to the hole in the starboard stringe, it was 1 inch wide, 1/2 inch of the bottom, and three inches forward of the transom. it was left open for over a week and for the two weeks before and during this test the boat was pitched about 40 degrees to stern.
Nothing came out.

TYhe PVC pipes that run through the stringer from the bi;lge are closed off with foam as far as I can tell.

When redoing the gas tank i accessed the space in between the starboard stringer and side just below the casting deckl and found a busted thru hull and soaked foam./ This was where the fishbox drain is, which is way up front. If that was wet, I had to figure the back was worse.

So, a 4 by 8 inch exploratory hole on the bottom of the control tunnel was made to verify the existence of water. i found wet foam, then under the wet foam, i found soaked foam and when i removed foam down to the bottom of the boat, i found that the empty space filled with water as I let it sit. I removed as much as I could access, which wasnt much, and weighed what i removed. the probably cubic half foot of foam weighed about 10 lbs.

So, thats the recap. This whole conversation can be boiled down to simple math.

if I cant afford a newer boat for three years and I spend X per year on extra gas then the cost of doing nothing is 3 times X.

Can I find a method of removing wet foam for less cost than 3 times X.

Of course i dont know how much i will save by removing water, but if I can find a reasonable method that is likely to be cost effectiveness, its something to consider.

the prop certainly might be an issue, but I know that the water exists and that the foam is wet from front to back on the starboard side. I have no idea what the port side is like yet.

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