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T Race

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Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« on: September 24, 2011, 01:01:52 PM »
For you guys in the know:

    Are all boats required to be built to positive floatation standards?   I am just curious, I know some of the high price point boats use that as a selling point, but maybe all boats will float.

   More importantly - our '99 215 Explorer- if it rolls in bad weather, or strikes a semi-submerged object (log, shipping container, etc.) resulting in catastrophic hull damage, and fills with water, is it gonna float?

Thanks in advance for your replies,

    Best wishes, T  :salut:
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September 24, 2011, 01:05:38 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 01:05:38 PM »
It will float if the foam is not waterlogged.  USCG requires all boats to remain floating when filled with water - so foam is used to ensure flotation to meet the USCG rules.  However, if the foam is wet, you lose the floatation you are supposed to have...
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September 24, 2011, 06:00:29 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 06:00:29 PM »
GF, when did they impose that rule I wonder?
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September 24, 2011, 07:43:57 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 07:43:57 PM »
Just searched, couldn't dig up when it became law (excitement on a Saturday night) :roll:

September 24, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 08:06:17 PM »
Seems like the law was passed in the early 80's.  One thing I remember about the law is that it's only required for boats under 20', so your explorer may in fact be very sinkable.  But, lots of builders just made all their boats unsinkable, though I'm not sure about AS in the 90's.

John-  I'm not sure I can wrap my mind around waterlogged foam sinking... :scratch:   If that were true, how could it have ever served it's purpose?  I mean, once it gets wet, it begins to absorb water rapidly, so in a sinking situation, would the boat only be unsinkable temporarily?  I'm thinking the foam that was used in our older AS's was not closed cell foam and was not intended to make the boat unsinkable- was only used in the construction as a filler material.
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September 24, 2011, 08:26:39 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 08:26:39 PM »
I think your summation is what he means.. non-closed cell foam (old style) that is saturated is a preexisting failure...basically adds nothing.

September 24, 2011, 08:29:19 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 08:29:19 PM »
They were represented as unsinkable in the 60's and 70's because the virgin foam would create flotation and not let the hull sink. What they did not realize is that over time the open cell foam would absorb water 10-20 years later and not provide the flotation it once did. All boats used this foam because it was the state of the art in those days. Every boat built in those days had this foam including Aquasport, Boston Whaler, Mako, Robalo, Seacraft, Seabird etc. They all suffered the same dimise; wet foam and wood core rot (BW had no wood core).
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September 24, 2011, 08:38:47 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2011, 08:38:47 PM »
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September 24, 2011, 10:01:00 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2011, 10:01:00 PM »
Quote from: "fitz73222"
They were represented as unsinkable in the 60's and 70's because the virgin foam would create flotation and not let the hull sink. What they did not realize is that over time the open cell foam would absorb water 10-20 years later and not provide the flotation it once did. All boats used this foam because it was the state of the art in those days. Every boat built in those days had this foam including Aquasport, Boston Whaler, Mako, Robalo, Seacraft, Seabird etc. They all suffered the same dimise; wet foam and wood core rot (BW had no wood core).

Exactly. Thanks fitz.

Even closed-cell foam over time can break down. Water does amazing things, 24/7.

September 24, 2011, 11:15:22 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2011, 11:15:22 PM »
AHHGH, level flotation, whatever you want to call it, PITA.  But, required on boats less than 20 feet.  Now, the CG/ABYC, doesn't really care what happens to a boats foam in 5, 10, 15 years down the road.  What are they going to do, pull some owners boat at 8 years and tell him, "Hey, we're going to swamp your boat and see if it not only doesn't capsize, but remains level when swamped.  Cool with you?"

So it all becomes relative.  Out of the factory?  Probably good to go.  Later in it's life?  I'll just be glad that what foam I have left that provides buoyancy does just that so that I either have time to save her (at the dock), or time to abandon ship...

But boats 20 feet and over?  Not required.  But good to have...


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September 25, 2011, 06:15:11 AM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 06:15:11 AM »
I would imagine that a side effect of the foam is as a sound deadener too?  I know we have members that didn't put foam back in and I wonder how much more noisy the boat is now compared to when it was full of foam.
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September 25, 2011, 07:01:42 AM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 07:01:42 AM »
So I guess we really didn't answer your question T Race.  Being that your boat was built in the late 90's, It has closed cell foam so is most likely not saturated to the point that it would no longer provide adequate flotation... but, that's only if your boat was built to be unsinkable, and since it's bigger than 20', it may not have been.  SeaBob is supposed to know this!  :wink:

When I cut the floor out of my 1970 SeaCraft, there was ZERO foam anywhere.  The SeaCrafts really weren't built all that well in the early 70's.  The foam wasn't added to the stringer system until later year models...
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September 25, 2011, 09:24:02 AM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2011, 09:24:02 AM »
Well the only foam in my 91 is in the stringers, The rest is filled with air and boat junk.
At 21 feet, she'll go down quick. :o
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September 25, 2011, 12:54:03 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2011, 12:54:03 PM »
I think my 24.5 would sink like a rock?

September 25, 2011, 04:53:00 PM
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Re: Aquasport Boats: Positive Floatation ?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2011, 04:53:00 PM »
What I told Trace in a PM...don't worry, no secrets here!  He asked this in regards to his 215 Explorer...

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Foam was applied (injected not the right word, as I don't think one injects something into an open area!) in the cavities formed by the outer stringers, under the liner, and aft between the outer stringers and the hull side. This was for any added buoyancy purposes one could get, although testing was not required (and I'm sure not performed) as to whether the foam provided any type of "level flotation", or even whether the foam could keep the boat from sinking should it be holed. Hell, even on out 35 Express at Proline, we shot foam into any cavity that we could that didn't contain wiring or plumbing or equipment, but at 15,000 lbs, I doubt that the foam was going to help her out much given a catastrophic failure...

In your situation, and venturing out 60 miles in the Pacific, I would be more concerned with the thru-hull integrity of your Explorer, the ability of the pumps to function properly, the proper emergency equipment (EPIRB, PLB, excellent VHF w/DSC functioning, etc.), and the idea of establishing contact with other boats in your area to let them know of your presence. The CG may be a 1/2 hour or longer, but someone near might be 10 minutes...

Remember, a bilge pump is only rated at the discharge port, no hose, no run or rise. So an 1100 in effect turns into a 600. Install the largest capacity bilge pumps that will fit. If you have room for (2) 1500s, install them. They have the same discharge (1 1/8") as an 1100. Good insurance to have 2 big ones working for you...

Hope this helps!

In other words, boats over 20 feet?  If it helps with bouyancy, sound-deadening, whatever, great.  But it's not required, nor was it intended to float a boat should the boat start taking on water...

And to be honest with you?  Any boat 20 feet and under, if it's over 5 years old?  I wouldn't count on it either!  The key is to keep water OUT of the boat...


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