So How is a Four Stroke so much better than a Two Stroke?

[Boatdood]

Fitz, you seem to be on edge. Yesterday you all but asked me to leave and now you're accusing me of trying to start an argument. I've been to other sites, that's for sure. All too often the discussions are based on very little knowledge of the subject matter. Call it prowess if you'd like but I do know a few things about outboards and I'm willing to share that knowledge in a friendly discussion, and I'm more than happy to learn as we go along. I suppose you don't have to go along but I'd sure like for you to join in and teach me a thing or two if you will.

[Circle Hooked]

This is great. One guy says he's not taking the bait, even though he just did, and another has an engine that puts money in his wallet. Gotta get me one of those!

You are absolutely right; I did take the bait. Did you intend to make a point of this or just start a little firestorm? You have had 17 posts since 2009 so you must have been helping out someother forum that I'm sure misses you by now...

Fitz, my intent was stated in the original post. What is the minimum post count required to poke a little fun?

[/b]

Boatdood i'm will to take you at your word,the problem is when your poking fun at people you don't know,what you think is fun might be translated different by some,like fitz,i thought you were coming on strong too,but i'm starting to see that's just your personality and that's ok we are all different and we have a big house here  

[fitz73222]

Fitz, you seem to be on edge. Yesterday you all but asked me to leave and now you're accusing me of trying to start an argument. I've been to other sites, that's for sure. All too often the discussions are based on very little knowledge of the subject matter. Call it prowess if you'd like but I do know a few things about outboards and I'm willing to share that knowledge in a friendly discussion, and I'm more than happy to learn as we go along. I suppose you don't have to go along but I'd sure like for you to join in and teach me a thing or two if you will.

One of things I have always appreciated about this forum is that no one ever seems to have an agenda. It is always about sharing knowledge based on ones own experiences. I guess I misunderstood your intent that created a situation or controversial viewpoint that put you in the middle as an authority to challenge and referee the dialog boosting ones ego. If that was not your intent I humbly apologize.

[seabob4]

If I may chime in here...

I have a great deal of respect for boatdood, he comes from the same world I do, and has an immense amount of knowledge when it comes to boats of all types, especially at the builder level.  I always read his posts on THT and, great to see, on CAS.  I also have a great deal of respect for fitz, who also has an immense amount of knowledge as to things mechanical and electrical, and I read everything he posts.  So, I will read, and enjoy, and see what comes up next...

BTW, how many of you guys know who boatdood really is?

[MarshMarlowe196]

I know Boatdood as a lot of things, but pertinent to this forum, I know him as a man who provided for his family for 20 years as an outboard mechanic, specializing in 2 stroke outboards of all makes.  He was also a co-owner of a small boat building company here in SC, a salesman at what was once a successful boat dealership where I worked alongside him for a short time, and is currently the Director of Marketing at Key West Boats.

He also happens to be the guy who sold me on the Aquasport I have now, which I bought from his brother, and the Suzuki that powers it.  He's a pretty good guy as far as I'm concerned  

[Capt. Bob]

BTW, how many of you guys know who boatdood really is?

OK I'll guess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxIuIxqo2So

[Circle Hooked]

 

[seabob4]

I know Boatdood as a lot of things, but pertinent to this forum, I know him as a man who provided for his family for 20 years as an outboard mechanic, specializing in 2 stroke outboards of all makes.  He was also a co-owner of a small boat building company here in SC, a salesman at what was once a successful boat dealership where I worked alongside him for a short time, and is currently the Director of Marketing at Key West Boats.

He also happens to be the guy who sold me on the Aquasport I have now, which I bought from his brother, and the Suzuki that powers it.  He's a pretty good guy as far as I'm concerned

C'mon, Jess, out with it...

And I'll second the pretty good guy deal...

But then, fitz is a pretty good guy, as well!

[fitz73222]

I know Boatdood as a lot of things, but pertinent to this forum, I know him as a man who provided for his family for 20 years as an outboard mechanic, specializing in 2 stroke outboards of all makes.  He was also a co-owner of a small boat building company here in SC, a salesman at what was once a successful boat dealership where I worked alongside him for a short time, and is currently the Director of Marketing at Key West Boats.

He also happens to be the guy who sold me on the Aquasport I have now, which I bought from his brother, and the Suzuki that powers it.  He's a pretty good guy as far as I'm concerned

C'mon, Jess, out with it...

And I'll second the pretty good guy deal...

But then, fitz is a pretty good guy, as well!

Alright Bob, I'll stop whining now. I'm still jet lagging from my China trip and may be a little sensitive...plus I came back with some sort of body itch that I'm dealing with.

[seabob4]

Fitz,
You ain't whining.  Just putting things out there to be debated, to be discussed.  As I said, I read your posts, I have learned a lot, and I thank you for that.  So don't worry about it...

[Capt. Bob]

C'mon, Jess, out with it...

What are ya sayin?
My guess ain't right?

[seabob4]

You crack me up, CB!

[Capt. Bill]

Interesting conversation, and since I did this 4 years ago I throw in my 2 cents.  I compared and reserched all of the motors out there. I spoke to mechanics, other owners, sales reps, and read as much about them as I could. I settled on the E-Tec, at the time they offered the best warranty, the best power to weight ratio, the best fuel economy, and overall the best reviews.  For me, the power to weight ratio was the main reason. My 175 weighs only 50 lbs more than my old Johnson 150 did and I still had to offset the heavier engine by adding weight to her nose. All of the 4 strokes of  the same class added over 100 lbs.

Evinrude's claims of doing nothing for 3 years or 300 hrs are 100% true. For the first 3 years all I did was put gas and oil in. The engine is quiet, doesn't smoke, starts every time without the 2 stroke stall, has doubled my gas mileage, and even winterizes itself.  At the beginning of this season I had my 3 year maintenance which consisted of 6 plugs, water pump, thermostats & thier covers/gaskets, internal fuel filters, lower unit oil, and any computer patches it required.  All of these elements are common to both style engines so the E-Tec definitely has less maintenance.

Do they break down....Yes....Up until this season the engine has run flawlessly, but as in anything mechanical things break. One of the fuel injectors quit, which turned out to be a KNOWN factory flaw for my model year. It was promptly repaired, but I had issues with BRP. I felt they should have replaced all 6 since it was a known problem,  but they would only do the bad one.

On some of the topics that were raised:

2 strokes have rapid wear zones: Define rapid, will a 2 stroke piston fail before it's 4 stroke counter part? Probably, twice as many power strokes, twice as many explosions.

2 stroke pistons run hotter: Maybe

2 stokes are gasoline cooled. No, they are water cooled, they are gasoline lubricated.  Take away the water they over heat, don't add oil to the fuel, and the bearings get hot and seize, but if you run the 4 stroke without oil it will sieze just as fast, are they oil cooled?

2 strokes have intake and exhaust cycles. AND..... they also have compression and power so whats your point? intake and power are combined, as are exhaust and compression.

2 strokes have valves. Some do and some don't depends on the engine and age. Some just have ports.

2 strokes have more moving parts than 4 strokes. Only if your counting the electrical system and than it's a maybe.

[gran398]

C'mon, Jess, out with it...

What are ya sayin?
My guess ain't right?

What? He ain't the Loan a' Ranger?

 


Bill...good thinking there. The e-tecs have a strong following, and deservedly so.

[gran398]

...plus I came back with some sort of body itch that I'm dealing with.[/quote]


Which is no bunk. Just called my good friend fitz to see how he is getting along this evening.

Well...not so good. He is itching all over. He was in an epson salt bath when we spoke.

You never know about foreign lands. I have urged him to be proactive.

Keep us posted bro. Thanks.