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October 25, 2011, 09:37:03 AM
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Re: NEW TO FORUM, 1976 170 Rebuild
« Reply #120 on: October 25, 2011, 09:37:03 AM »
Matt,

Thank you! I'm really excited about the motor, I'm glad I was patient and waited for a deal.

I had atlantic coastal fab a new alum tank, which is the same spec and the OEM tank, which will sit in the coffin. I plan to cut off the decking attached to the coffin (as seen in pics), grand down along the edge, then lay some 1708 in the coffin and over the stringer. Until the glass sets, I'm going to set supports under the coffin to keep it elevated until the glass sets up. Since I am doing away with the rigging trough, I think I'm going to cut into the stringer, and run 3 inch PVC tubing through it on a 45 degree angle, facing the aft, this should avoid any tough bends. I will then glass the sides of the stringer, fill with foam, then glass the top. I'll pop the rigging up on the starboard side just to the right of the motor...Somewhat sealing it with a rubber boot. I plan on drilling a 1/4 inch hole in the lowest point of the rigging tube to allow for drainage. Some people have shyed away from doing this on the 17, as space below the deck is at a premium, but I'm running hydrolic steering, so the more aggressive bends shouldn't be an issue. In therory at least....right?

Anyways, How much foam will I need to by to do the stringers? Anyone have some good advice? Is the 2lb foam the way to go?

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1981 2100 CC Hydra Sport
1976 170 (sold)

October 26, 2011, 10:02:21 PM
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Re: NEW TO FORUM, 1976 170 Rebuild
« Reply #121 on: October 26, 2011, 10:02:21 PM »
Fletch,

A 10 gallon pail kit (5 gallons of A and 5 gallons of B) will make around 40 cubic feet of foam when mixed. This is more than enough for all your stringers and tank foaming. The equivalent amount of liquid 8 lb pour foam will make about 1/4 of the foam by volume as the 2 lb foam. Basically, 2 lb foam displaces 2 lb per cubic foot where 8 lb foam displaces 8 lb per cubic foot. Air has 62.4 lbs of floatation per cubic ft, so 2 lb foam would provide around 60 lbs per cubic foot while 8 lb would provide around 54. If you are reinforcing the stringers with tapes and then glassing over them, then 2 lb should be fine. 8 lb is really dense foam. To put it in perspective, divinicell (40lb) is roughly equivalent to 4 lb pour foam.

Start with 2 quart pots and a gallon bucket. Mark one of the quart buckets A and the other B. You will keep reusing these as you remix. Stir very well until the swirls between the 2 colors are gone and the mix looks like cream heavy coffee. Not mixing well enough results in an odd air bubble heavy hard caramel colored foam. You want it tannish with very tight air bubbles. Don't worry about cleaning up the pour foam if it overflows or you spill until it has kicked. Drips and blobs pop off with a putty knife. The overflowing top cuts very easily with a handheld wood saw once kicked.

October 26, 2011, 10:08:18 PM
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Re: NEW TO FORUM, 1976 170 Rebuild
« Reply #122 on: October 26, 2011, 10:08:18 PM »
Quote from: "Group W Bench"
Fletch,

A 10 gallon pail kit (5 gallons of A and 5 gallons of B) will make around 40 cubic feet of foam when mixed. This is more than enough for all your stringers and tank foaming. The equivalent amount of liquid 8 lb pour foam will make about 1/4 of the foam by volume as the 2 lb foam. Basically, 2 lb foam displaces 2 lb per cubic foot where 8 lb foam displaces 8 lb per cubic foot. Air has 62.4 lbs of floatation per cubic ft, so 2 lb foam would provide around 60 lbs per cubic foot while 8 lb would provide around 54. If you are reinforcing the stringers with tapes and then glassing over them, then 2 lb should be fine. 8 lb is really dense foam. To put it in perspective, divinicell (40lb) is roughly equivalent to 4 lb pour foam.

Start with 2 quart pots and a gallon bucket. Mark one of the quart buckets A and the other B. You will keep reusing these as you remix. Stir very well until the swirls between the 2 colors are gone and the mix looks like cream heavy coffee. Not mixing well enough results in an odd air bubble heavy hard caramel colored foam. You want it tannish with very tight air bubbles. Don't worry about cleaning up the pour foam if it overflows or you spill until it has kicked. Drips and blobs pop off with a putty knife. The overflowing top cuts very easily with a handheld wood saw once kicked.

That is a very true, and informative post...we used to get foam "footballs" at Hydra-Sports when the new foam gun was being "dialed in"... :lol:  :lol:


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October 26, 2011, 10:15:17 PM
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« Reply #123 on: October 26, 2011, 10:15:17 PM »
Foam guns scare the crap out of me. 1) the cost of the Magnum Venus service calls for when the 2 parts kick off in the mixing head in 95% heat are probably mind numbing 2) the amazing amount of volume that these things can pump out. I haven't seen it personally, but have heard of guys literally popping stringer pans and flotation tanks clear out of the hulls when they forgot to drill the air bleed holes to relieve pressure.

October 26, 2011, 11:13:47 PM
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« Reply #124 on: October 26, 2011, 11:13:47 PM »
I'm ahead of myself, but I was also wondering about what type of foam to use where. Is 8 lb appropriate for stringers? 4? And I was thinking of using 2 lb to fill lots of voids for floatation and noise reduction. I would like to have a positive bouyancy after all is said and done...

Charlie
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Roll Tide!

October 27, 2011, 08:23:47 AM
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Re: NEW TO FORUM, 1976 170 Rebuild
« Reply #125 on: October 27, 2011, 08:23:47 AM »
2lb is all you need for floatation,
I used 4lb in my stringers & there does seem to be a big difference between the 2 & the 4, definitely a more solid skin on the 4lb, little chance of any water getting in.
The foam I ripped out sure didn't feel any more dense than 2lb?  Never could find out what the factory used back then.
8lb seems like it would be overkill.

October 27, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
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« Reply #126 on: October 27, 2011, 08:51:43 AM »
I supose I'll go with the 4LB.

Any brand or place you would suggest purchasing? US Composites?
1981 2100 CC Hydra Sport
1976 170 (sold)

October 27, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
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Re: NEW TO FORUM, 1976 170 Rebuild
« Reply #127 on: October 27, 2011, 07:57:10 PM »
Fletch
Read some of the posts on the rebuilds about tank installation, I don't think foaming it in is the best way to go. You don't want to trap moisture against the tank, if it is allowed to breath it will last much longer. Tanks are often foamed in from the factory but with a brand new tank purchased there is a better way to go.
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October 28, 2011, 08:33:47 AM
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« Reply #128 on: October 28, 2011, 08:33:47 AM »
Matt,

Thanks for the insight. I actually bought the neopreme (sp?) strips for the tank to sit on in the coffin. Per atlantic coastal, I will only be foaming in the corners of the tank. Right? right.

Kind regards,

-Christian
1981 2100 CC Hydra Sport
1976 170 (sold)

October 28, 2011, 08:39:27 AM
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Re: NEW TO FORUM, 1976 170 Rebuild
« Reply #129 on: October 28, 2011, 08:39:27 AM »
Pascoe recommends to have NO foam touching the tank anywhere. I'm really leaning towards a plastic/composite tank myself.

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/fueltank.htm
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October 28, 2011, 08:53:06 AM
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« Reply #130 on: October 28, 2011, 08:53:06 AM »
You're also not supposed to drink more than 2 beers in a sitting. Jus sayin:)
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October 28, 2011, 12:27:21 PM
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Re: NEW TO FORUM, 1976 170 Rebuild
« Reply #131 on: October 28, 2011, 12:27:21 PM »
4# for structure and 2# for flotation.

October 28, 2011, 05:44:09 PM
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« Reply #132 on: October 28, 2011, 05:44:09 PM »
Go foam free,
just my 2cents
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October 28, 2011, 05:48:13 PM
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« Reply #133 on: October 28, 2011, 05:48:13 PM »
Use 5200 to stick the strips to the bottom of the tank not to the stringers. This way it cannot trap moisture between the strips and the tank. I put strips on both the tank and the stringers. How will the tank be held down?
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October 29, 2011, 11:51:07 AM
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« Reply #134 on: October 29, 2011, 11:51:07 AM »
Per the builder, foaming in the corners should hold the tank fine.  I may glass in a 1x3 across the top for good measure. Not sure yet.
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