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August 24, 2011, 10:24:16 AM
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insatl. of trim tabs on a 222ccp?
« on: August 24, 2011, 10:24:16 AM »
Who has installed a set of trim tabs on a 222 ccp? I’m getting ready to order and install a set. And I’m concerned about were their going to hit the transom. In measuring the area. It looks like the actuator is going to hit around the splash well drain hole is. Any pic’s in the forum that someone can point me to. That shows a pair installed? also how long are the hoses, that come with the M120 kit?

August 24, 2011, 11:46:07 AM
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 11:46:07 AM »
Walt, don't worry about the hose length, it will be plenty long enough to reach the console, if you're thinking of locating the pump there.

I like to install tabs as far outboard as I can.  I'm not sure if the 22-2 has a definitive chine flat, if so, I locate the outboard edge of the tab just inboard of the radius where the flat transitions into the hull bottom.  I gotta think the actuator would be well away from the splashwell at that point...

I'm installing a set of 12 X 12s on a 2390 Hydra-Sports right now, the boat has trim tab pockets.  I have to use the "short" actuators (should be getting them today), they are 2" shorter than the standard.  Might want to consider that option...


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August 24, 2011, 12:29:55 PM
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 12:29:55 PM »
Bob that maybe a better option. Do you know if I can order the kit with the short actuator? The 222 ccp has a flat at the chime. And when I measure down 5" from the radius. Which is half of the span which is 10". Then measure up about 10" perpendicular to the bottom. It puts me about were the vertical side and the bottom of the splash well is. Or near the drain hole.

August 24, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2011, 02:53:38 PM »
send jdupree a message, he has a 222 with tabs installed, maybe he can take a picture for you.
Mike

August 24, 2011, 03:08:08 PM
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 03:08:08 PM »
Thanks I would like to see someone else’s. I did find one here on the board. And their hoses do come out in the splash well, but the tabs are mounted. a little to far in from the chime. I want to keep them as close to the chimes as I can. Which from the pic, I'm looking at would put the actuator over the drain hole. there is a pic. From feb. 2010 on the board. The post was about mounting a bracket. I’m now wondering if I can’t get a kit with the short actuators. Would I be better off with the lenco’s. hum. 222 w. bracket and open transom

August 24, 2011, 05:56:46 PM
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Re: insatl. of trim tabs on a 222ccp?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2011, 05:56:46 PM »
I had them on my 84 CCP. They were mounted such that the hydraulic lines entered the boat through the factory live well area. I didn't use that well so no big deal for me.

 I used the standard size actuators.

I used the 18" X 9" tabs. Worked great. Mounted the pump in the console. You get about 20'+/- of tubing so I just cut it in half and had plenty. I might have trimmed that.

I have since remounted them on my 91 WAC. They still work (16 yrs. later) but I think they are just a little too large for this hull. They were perfect for the 222 CCP.



I was running a full bracket on this craft. Ideally they would be mounted further outboard but I needed to allow for the bracket mount and swim ladder. They still were very efficient and it allowed for mounting clearance and no exposed hydraulic lines.
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August 24, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
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Re: insatl. of trim tabs on a 222ccp?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2011, 06:02:46 PM »
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Thanks I would like to see someone else’s. I did find one here on the board. And their hoses do come out in the splash well, but the tabs are mounted. a little to far in from the chime. I want to keep them as close to the chimes as I can. Which from the pic, I'm looking at would put the actuator over the drain hole. there is a pic. From feb. 2010 on the board. The post was about mounting a bracket. I’m now wondering if I can’t get a kit with the short actuators. Would I be better off with the lenco’s. hum. 222 w. bracket and open transom


Saltfly,

For what it's worth Bennett short actuators require less height on the transom than any Lencos. M120s come with short actuators and they can be made even shorter ( I will be happy to send you the parts at no charge to make them shorter).  Other sizes come with the "standard actuators" but I can swap them out with you at no charge.

One option is to use an 18 x 9 with a shorter actuator.  Since the actuate will be 9" in from the the chine flat there will be a little more height to work with.

Is there any way to get a photo of your transom with an indication where the floor is?

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August 24, 2011, 06:05:32 PM
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Re: insatl. of trim tabs on a 222ccp?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2011, 06:05:32 PM »
Looking at Capt Bob's 18 x 9s if we swap out the actuators for the shorter ones you should be good to go and even move them further than he has them positioned.

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August 24, 2011, 06:40:30 PM
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2011, 06:40:30 PM »
Tom if you go to page 14 this forum to Sully_0063 post. My transom looks just like that. Except I don’t have that lower tow eye like he does. Looking at his transom. If his tabs where moved outboard till they are as close to the flat of the chime. The actuator. Will either hit the drain hole or may just miss it and may hit the vertical side of the splash well. Now if the hole for the tubing misses the inside of that side and the screw goes into it, then that would work. I also like the m120 tabs. I don’t want an 18” tab. I don’t like the look of that large a tab. I had also considered. Removing the angle that the actuator mounts to on the tab. And off set it. Like the edge mount tabs that lenco sells. And if I where to conceder the lencos. I would only use the off set. Changing the tab. Wouldn’t be a problem for me. Is it riveted or spot welded? Either wouldn’t be a problem for me. Would just remove and weld up the holes and grind flash. Then off set the angle and either rivet or weld. To match what was their to begin with. Also off setting the actuator, shouldn't affect the tab. With that down turn flange , it will no cause any bending. My analysis show no real efect.  Which ever I do I have to make up my mind by Friday. That’s my target day to order. Got to have them on by next week. That’s if the weather lets me. Also thanks for the offer. I may take you up on it. if after I get them and put them in place to see just how they fall. I also may mock them up and tape the mock up in place. If i do that. I'll post a pic.

August 24, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2011, 07:27:53 PM »
Well Walt, a little update.  Got the short actuators today (thanks, Tom!!), here how the install will look.  Remember this boat has tab pockets...



The short actuators made the difference in this install.  Note the location of the outboard edge of the plane in relation to the chine transition.  Also note that they span a strake, which is no problem...

I'm happy!....but tired.  Spent the entire afternoon in the bilge of this H-S in 95* heat.  Here's where I put the pump...



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August 24, 2011, 08:00:25 PM
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2011, 08:00:25 PM »
Bob that's just were I want my tabs. I can get them there, but for the actuator length. But before I take Tom up on his offer. I think I’m going to mock them up. It won’t be exect, but it will be close enough to let me see what is happening. I guess I’m beginning to sound like a perfectionist, but I’m really not. Just have a problem over thinking things. Bwahahahaha :shock:  I think I’ve made up my mind to go with the M120 Bennett’s. Sooooo Tom may hear from me. Thanks for pic’s Bob. Looks good, and that short actuator. Will do the trick. This dam storm, may screw me up.  But it may give me more time to change the actuators.  :thumright:

Also thanks for the pic's capt.bob.

All someone should give me a good kick in the butt. I just reread Toms post. The M120 COME WITH SHORT ACTUATORS. So I may be ok. Tom how long is that actuator?

August 24, 2011, 08:14:17 PM
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2011, 08:14:17 PM »
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Tom how long is that actuator?

11 1/2", tip to tip.  The standards are 13 1/2"...


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August 24, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2011, 08:36:52 PM »
thanks for the numbers bob. Got to take my Granddaughter fishing tomorrow. She’s 4 and with us this week. I took her two brothers two weeks ago when they all where here. She has given me a fit, because I didn’t take her as well. So tomorrow I’ve got to. Or she won’t lit me forget it. (So when I get back I’ll muck one up.) But I am glad all three like to fish. Nothing better for a kid to get involve with. Theirs a church that has a day care not far from a pond I like to fish. They had a group of kids there the other week with tree limbs for rods. So the next day I took a bunch of rods I never use anymore. Up and gave them to the church for their day care. You should have seen those kids faces. So I got a few friends up here going through their tackle. We’re going to give it to them as well. This church has mostly people that don’t have much. So it all is going to good use. Those kids had a ball fishing that pond the next day, with those rods. I like seeing that. Maybe it will stay with them and they will stay away from thing like drugs.

August 24, 2011, 08:47:23 PM
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 08:47:23 PM »
Well, Walt, since you de-railed your own thread, I'll chime in...and help along it's de-railment!  It's very ironic, sad, whatever you want to call it, when you can help someone who is less fortunate than you, oft times through no fault of their own, and that gift that they get makes them so much happier, makes them think that life is not as bad as they may have thought, and renews their faith in their fellow men.  All from a simple piece of hardware that didn't have much use anymore in the hands of the former owner...


Yet, those who are VERY fortunate, will make their donations to various charities so that they can add another write-off on their tax return, and long for the day that the Chinese factory they off-shored their production to will hit that profit goal, so they can upgrade their Mercedes S500 to a new Bugatti...

Just kind of makes you think, don't it...


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August 24, 2011, 09:08:31 PM
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 09:08:31 PM »
Jeeze a guy has dinner and watches a movie and every thing is figured out without him  :D

Actually not quite, the 12 x 12 Trim Tabs Bob installed have the attachment point 8-5/8" out from the transom, but the M120 has the attachment point 7-5/8" out from the transom, so if you use the standard "short" actuators (the same ones I sent Bob)that come with the M120s they won't fit.

But once you get the M120 kit I can tell you how to modify the actuators so that they are 1" shorter (10-3/4" over all instead of the normal 11-3/4" for a short actuator).  This will allow them to fit, requiring only about 9-1/4" height on the transom.

Here's a drawing:



You can modify the actuators without having to swap anything with me. I did the modification to shorten the actuators on the M120s on my old 20" Aquasport about 8 years ago to fit under the swim platform.

Let me know what you think.

Tom
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