Motor model identification help

[Spectre5922]

I posted up everything else about my potential new boat in another section (1976 19-6), but I need some identification help on the motor.  It is an old Sea Horse 140 (Evinrude). The starter is missing, so I will have to try and find one for it. The model number is E140TRNCLB.  My questions are,
1. Is this old motor even worth considering saving?
2. Are parts hard to find?
3. What year was it built?
4. IF I can locate a starter, and IF you guys say it is worth saving, what kind of compression should I be looking at?

Here are a few pics of the motor to possibly help with identification.





Thanks for any help/advice.

[fitz73222]

I would estimate the engine model year between 1977-1983.
It is a Johnson cowling with Evinrude lettering. (I knew the styling que's)
The 140 was an excellent engine back in its day.
Most non critical parts are available. Carb kits, water pumps, thermostats, gaskets etc. are available. Crankshafts, connecting rods, certain bearings and gearcases are not available new any longer.
You will easily need to drop several hundred $$ in parts if its been sitting a while.
You have to decide how much money to spend before throwing in the towel for a newer engine.
The engine really has no value except for the sum of its parts. Its ashame its been repainted and not in original condition.
I would set a spend limit of $500 to get it running and junk it if you are going over that number. The power trim and gearcase do have value if in working order.

[love2fish]

get the model number/S# and call any evinrude shop- they can let you know what year it is.

I also think there's a link on either classicmako.com or iboats.com that has a spreadsheet for motors and what thier ID numbers translate too.

[Spectre5922]

Thanks for the info guys.  I did see a model number cross reference chart on (I believe) iboats.  It did not have any that were similar to this one though.  Also, I can't post any questions on iboats.  I registered almost 3 weeks ago on that site and have still yet to get a confirmation back for my username and password.  On this site, I had a problem and e-mailed the Admin (Richard).  I had a response back in less than 12 hours.  That was fantastic.  All of the people on this site seem very helpful, knowledgable and friendly.  For someone like me that is just getting into boating, that is HUGE!  I am pretty intelligent (my wife won't agree with that statement) and can pick things up very quickly.  I read and research the daylights out of anything that I am interested in.  What I can't find, I ask for help with.  I have learned an enormous amount about boating, navigation and just about anything else marine related in the last 2 months (mostly from constant reading online and lurking in boating forums) and continue to learn more every day.  I don't know why I waited so long in life to get into boating.  I have talked about doing it for years.  I am having a blast learning and hope to continue to soak up more info with the help of you guys.  Any other information that you guys want to give me about your experiences with Aquasports, the 19-6 in particular, outboard motors or boating in general.... please feel free.

Thanks again for the info.  Keep it coming!




By the way.....  I did post up on the Evinrude Outboard Forum asking about the year model of the motor.  It is not a particularly busy site, so a response might take a while.

[saltfly]

That motor is pre 1980. You need to have the serial number to find the year. If your serial number is not readable on the same plate as the model number. You can find it on the welch plug on the motor block. Its the silver round plug. On top on the block just behind the right head.
All motors built after 1980. Write down the word introduces. Then under it write 1-0 under each letter. use the last two letters in the model number. Find them in the word introduces. Then look at the number under each letter. That will be your year.

[fitz73222]

I would like to see a picture of the powerhead (block) cowling off rear view to verify it is an early 140. They had a distinctive "pot belly" exhaust tuner between the cylinder banks. Later models also had the tuner including the later 115's. The skeg design on the lower unit was also distingtive before 1980 take a picture of that also. The engines did in fact begin model and year designation using the alphabet beginning in 1980. Look for a tag on the stern bracket for a model number. ( it may have been painted over)  The aluminum welch plug that saltfly refers to on the block will give the engine serial number but not necessarily the model number. Take a picture of that also and we can run the numbers.

[Spectre5922]

Wow...... some great responses guys. I will try to get over there this evening and get the pics for you. It is only around 10 miles from my house. I should have more pics posted here by 9:00 CST. Thanks so much for the quick and detailed responses.

[wingtime]

Check here for help with ID of the motor.  He also has many parts you will need for it.

http://www.maxrules.com/ej_contents.html

[akbridge]

Is the motor seized up?  Spray some oil into the cylinders to soak the rings either way.  Next pull the cover off of the carbs to make sure there are no rat/bug nests in there.  My current engine scored a cylinder because a mud dauber nest got sucked in the number three cylinder after it had been sitting for a few years.  If you have can get it to spin over by had beg borrow or steal a starter and do a compression check on each cylinder.  They should be around 140-160 psi (I think).  The biggest thing is that they are all within 10% of each other.  If all is well with compression, see if you have have spark.  These engines will run with the harness disconnected, but they won't turn off.  So what I like to do is disconnect the harness at the red plug and engage the starter with a jumper wire across the solenoid.  If you have spark and compression the other thing you need is fuel.  Squirt some fuel/oil mixture down the carbs, only use about a teaspoon per two cylinders.  With fuel, compression, and spark it should try to run for a second or two.  If it tries to come to life, it should be worth trying to get running for real.  The carbs will likely need to be cleaned and make sure to have water going to the water intakes.

[Spectre5922]

Okay guys.....  Here are the pics I promised.  I got front, rear, both sides, top and skeg. I also had the serial number earlier.  I just forgot to post it.  It is  J0144140.











Hope this helps.....  And yes....  That is a brick holding the motor off the mount.

[saltfly]

That looks pre 80. Some one changed the exhaust cover. All 140's that I've worked on had a potbelly. the loopers from mid 80's that where big blocks had flat covers, but small block 140's used that potbelly to help get that 140hp. I use to put them on my 115's, just to reduce the back exhaust pressure.All so look where the coils are mounted. Some one has done alot of changing on parts on that motor. It sure looks mix and match to me. If I were you. I would put another motor on the boat. that motor looks like a problem waiting to happen.

[fitz73222]

She does look like a Heinz 57 to me. It is a 115 not a 140, thats why I wanted a under the hood look. Toss that one and start looking for something newer and nicer.

[flounderpounder225]

Yep, she's a cross-flow, not a looper with the pot....

[akbridge]

Looks like a mix and match motor.  If it were me, I would try to get it running.    If it runs, it will be slow.  But run that engine until you are tired of putting time and fuel into it.  Then upgrade to a modern engine.  
I think I may have a starter for that engine.  Does anyone know if a starter off a 1988 88 special will fit his.  If it does, pay shipping and it is yours!
Also it looks like it has not been over heated.  I don't see any melted plastics and corrosion on the block and bolts is not too bad.  I have said it before...those are the small block 350s of outboards.  You can beat them up and they still run.

[Spectre5922]

Tjat's a really nice offer ak.  If someone can verify that it will work and I do decide to get the boat, then I will take you up on it.  As of last night, I had given up on the Aquasport for another boat.  However, I can't get over these lines on it so I think that I may go through with it after all.  If someone can verify the cross reference, please let me know.