Formula X-2

[Capt. Bob]

I'm Bill at Star brite - we manufacture Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment. Becasue this post has comments about Star Tron, I was advised to check out this thread by one of our rep groups. I am not trying to sell our product or knock anybody else's product, but I do want to correct a few comments. Yes, I asked the moderators for permsission to chime in, so here goes:

"The easiest way to tell if it will make water "disappear" is to read the ingredients. If it contains alcohol, the water will vanish."

Alcohol absolutely, positively CANNOT make water "vanish" - the water is still there, but is now encapsulated/emulsified. You may not see it, but it is still there. Let it sit long enough and it will separate back out. Emulsified fuel has been assoicated with carbon deposits and rough engine performance, which is partly why the DOD and FAA forbid the use of emulsifiers in aviation fuel. Gravity is very unforgiving.
Also, adding more alcohol to E10 only makes it worse - it converts E10 to E20 or who knows what depending on how much you add. In no way is it a good thing to do. We don't like E10 so why would we make it worse? You can't make water burn, either. You can, however, break water clumps apart into tiny particles that can be vaporized along with the fuel charge as the engine operates.

"Your Startron product may contain mineral oil (like Sea Foam does)."
Not so much - Star Tron has as its base a highly refined petroleum distillate, used as a suspension for the active-ingredient enzyme blend. The enzymes do 100% of the work. We put it in a fuel base in order to make sure it cannot be overdosed and that it keeps you rfuel within the engine manufacturers' specifications. Adding a non-fuel to fuel can take it out of spec and could lead to warranty issues. There is no mineral oil or alcohol in Star Tron. Just enzymes in a fuel base.




Well Bill, I always tell the Forum that if I have to explain it, I shouldn't have printed it.
As far as my comments needing correction, well lets break that down shall we.

My comment on disappearing water was related to the video for the Formula X product. The word vanish is used as a synonym for disappear. That's how the statement is structured.
http://www.synonym.com/synonyms/disappear/

Probably should have stuck quotes around that word also but.... Again if I gotta explain, I shouldn't have posted.

Further reading of the entire THREAD

I used one OMC made once every year. It contained alcohol to "bond" or "remove" (sorry, the water is still there), i.e. dry the gas out.

clearly shows that I state that the water really never goes anywhere but remains within the fuel mix
so I believe they call that taking something out of context or just not reading the entire thread start to finish before commenting.  

Fully agree with the MSDS but again my comment did not state your product contained mineral oil but that it might.

http://mystarbrite.com/startron/images/ ... _143XX.pdf

I also agree that the addition of alcohol is a scam of sorts, hence the whole basis of the post. I'm no expert chemist but I dabble in the art of filtering out BS. The MSDS sheet above shows your product as basically high grade gasoline stock so that's a good thing. Enzymes? That's biology and not my strong point in life. Bottom line is, hope your fuel is fresh when you put it in your tank and burn it up quickly. I'm just sayin'.

Lastly, you repeat more or less the same thing I said,
You:
Also, adding more alcohol to E10 only makes it worse - it converts E10 to E20 or who knows what depending on how much you add.
Me:
Logic would then dictate that the fuel treatment acts by adding more alcohol to the fuel mixture, thus allowing more water to be absorbed before phase separation occurs. Kinda sounds like running (depending on the amount added) E -11, 12 13 etc.

(again read the thread) so coming from someone in the business, that at least adds some validity to my posts and for that, I thank you.

I've been a member and a lurker on several forums for boating/cars/trucks/motorcycles and on every one sooner or later this type of correction occurs. Your comments are most welcome but as always, "forum watchers" search posts for their respective products and then contact the powers that be of what may be confused as negative. This thread started as an inquiry on a similar type but different brand product. Startron was mentioned just in passing but hey, there's someone on Classic AS stating alcohol makes water "vanish" and Startron's nothing but 3 in 1 oil.

[billatstarbrite]

Captain Bob,

You were right on the money and I could not agree with you more.

You are now Officially a Friend of Star brite  

If I can ever help out with any of your boat-related projects, let me know.

Bill

[seabob4]

Bill may be new here, but he has been around a bit on THT, reelboating, iboats...

He gives good advice, and although he touts his product, one can't blame him for doing so.  Am I sticking up for him?  Maybe not so much for Startron, but for a number of other responses and replies he has contributed on some of the topics on those sites that absolutely nothing to do with Startron, nor any other Starbrite product, just good boating knowledge and common sense from one who knows boats...

I have a good deal of chemistry background, although more leaning to organic rather than petro-chemical, although petro-chemical is about as organic as it can get, it's carbon based.  But the infusion of water into all the equations, well, it's just something that I don't have the expertise in.  Bill's company, along with others, do.  So I will leave that to them, and worry about more important things in my life.  

The key is vigilant maintenance in today's ethanol infiltrated world.  It is here to stay, as not only American farmers grow corn.  So we have to adapt...

Sorry for the long diatribe...

[Capt. Bob]

Just so my intentions are fully understood.

Bill,
 Becasue this post has comments about Star Tron, I was advised to check out this thread by one of our rep groups.


Me.
 "forum watchers" search posts for their respective products and then contact the powers that be of what may be confused as negative.


My uneasiness is not with Bill but with those that search a forum for their company.
I have many shortcomings both physically and mentally and the one I work hardest on is reading comprehension. Sad to say, in my limited internet experience, I've encountered many who do not.

Following on that same note, I don't always translate my thoughts coherently to writing, so more often than I like I'm just as guilty.

[flounderpounder225]

Ok, just so I can review and hi-light the information gathered here:  Keep your beer ice cold, or phase separation can happen, more so in light beers which are already heavily laden with water.  And never, never shake your beer to induce emulsification of the water with the base mixture as an explosive outcome may occur?  How did I do?    :P  

Marc

Seriously, great info on the subject...

[seabob4]

Ok, just so I can review and hi-light the information gathered here:  Keep your beer ice cold, or phase separation can happen, more so in light beers which are already heavily laden with water.  And never, never shake your beer to induce emulsification of the water with the base mixture as an explosive outcome may occur?  How did I do?   :P  

Marc

Seriously, great info on the subject...

[Circle Hooked]

Ok, just so I can review and hi-light the information gathered here:  Keep your beer ice cold, or phase separation can happen, more so in light beers which are already heavily laden with water.  And never, never shake your beer to induce emulsification of the water with the base mixture as an explosive outcome may occur?  How did I do?   :P  

Marc

Seriously, great info on the subject...

I must agree,well done Marc  

[seabob4]

You guys crack me up!

[billatstarbrite]

There is simply not enough time in the week to search forums to look for every comment made about our products, but when we do hear about one, we check it out.

In most cases, it's actually a collection of nice comments. However, once in while we find some incorrect info and we make an effort to clarify. The point is to make sure that the forums, which are a great venue for sharing info, are sharing correct info instead of urban legends. We continue to be amazed at what gets posted and gains a life of its own. For the record, I don't believe that it was Elvis who led SEAL Team 6 to get Osama.

No reason to get uneasy. You'd do the same to protect your company's reputation.

[seabob4]

No reason to get uneasy. You'd do the same to protect your company's reputation.

Reputation can be EVERYTHING these days...

[pete]

It wasn't Elvis?!?!Welcome Bill,apreciate your imput

[seabob4]

It wasn't Elvis?!?!Welcome Bill,apreciate your imput

Update...Elvis Costello...

[Capt. Bob]

It wasn't Elvis?!?!Welcome Bill,apreciate your imput

Update...Elvis Costello...

Talk about thread morph.

Wonder when the poor soul from Formula X-2 is gonna chime in?

Could it be that he's the "real" Elvis and he's not stateside yet
Then again maybe he's not all that worried about his street cred  and is busy searchin' for.........

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/nige ... index.html

[pete]

I used to love the old Elvis racing movies!Wonder if he used X-2?

[gran398]

It wasn't Elvis?!?!Welcome Bill,apreciate your imput

Update...Elvis Costello...

Talk about thread morph.

Wonder when the poor soul from Formula X-2 is gonna chime in?

Could it be that he's the "real" Elvis and he's not stateside yet
Then again maybe he's not all that worried about his street cred  and is busy searchin' for.........

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/nige ... index.html

Ooooh baby. And a big 'ol jelly doughnut