Restoration Questions and hopefully some help

[Capt. Bob]

Saw the 60 Triumphs laying off the stern...some of us here love the twins. That's special.

Agreed, but here's my idea of a 60s Triumph twin.


Sorry for the thread steal.

[gran398]

 

[Skoot]

How COOL is that boat?    .

My first guess is that shes a 19-1. All the 19-1's that i've seen have the butterfly deck hatches, the square storage areas port/starboard under the deck and the ever famous Green interior and almost a 0 degree deadrise (aka-flatback). Its hard to tell from your pics, but she appears truly flat.  Is she?? Take a look at these 2 links http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... 500/page/1 and another http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... ppuser/419 (She looks similar)  I also think the casting platform is 100%  original.  If you boat  is a 22-2, and has a 0 degree deadrise,  I would say shes one of the "First" flatback's ever built. Wouldn't you guys agree???

Can you take a tape measure to her???  Just to verify the length?

[gran398]

Good eye! Especially with the reversed color....And the casting platform is the same too.

Good eye!

[fighting irish45]

How COOL is that boat?    .

My first guess is that shes a 19-1. All the 19-1's that i've seen have the butterfly deck hatches, the square storage areas port/starboard under the deck and the ever famous Green interior and almost a 0 degree deadrise (aka-flatback). Its hard to tell from your pics, but she appears truly flat.  Is she?? Take a look at these 2 links http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... 500/page/1 and another http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... ppuser/419 (She looks similar)  I also think the casting platform is 100%  original.  If you boat  is a 22-2, and has a 0 degree deadrise,  I would say shes one of the "First" flatback's ever built. Wouldn't you guys agree???

Can you take a tape measure to her???  Just to verify the length?

She's a 22.2

[fitz73222]

Hey guy`s,

Just for the record, Aquasport only made the 22-2 as a flatback, the 19-1 if you recall had a very  slight deadrise with the little pad about a foot wide in the center. Thats how you can tell the difference when looking at a stern picture.

[gran398]

Very mysterious. Does appear to have the same butterfly casting deck as the 19-1 photo. And the reversed interior gel.

Yet she seems from the photos to be a 22-2 flatback. Was just re-checking all the old flatback photos we have here in archives. None show a good pic of the casting platform.

[Skoot]

Found one http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... ppuser/152 Mystery solved.

Anyhow you have a really cool boat there. I hope you keep her as close to original as possible

[fitz73222]

Maybe those changes were in later models. Those 60 Evinrudes laying on the ground behind her are 1971; chances are they have been on there her entire life which is so rare. Other than being electric shift; I bet they could still be made to run. Wouldnt that be cool.

[RickK]

How COOL is that boat?    .

My first guess is that shes a 19-1. All the 19-1's that i've seen have the butterfly deck hatches, the square storage areas port/starboard under the deck and the ever famous Green interior and almost a 0 degree deadrise (aka-flatback). Its hard to tell from your pics, but she appears truly flat.  Is she?? Take a look at these 2 links

The 191 have the reverse step at the rear - this bay is flat.

[dbiscayne]

the back end of my 19-1, green sides & white deck & has the butterfly hatches on the casting deck.
Those rust stains coming from the cleat bolts were from water migrating all the way over there, the inner layer of transom wood was wet & the boat hadn't been in the water for at least 5 years.

If you're gonna replace the transom I do believe you're going to have to cut some of the deck away no matter which method you choose.  The way the stringers are built theres just no way you can tie a poured transom into them without good access.
Check out the second pic.
The inner skin of the transom does not go all the way down to the hull of the boat, it stops at the deck, so if you clean out all the old wood with the chain saw method you have a huge gap to fill between the deck & hull to keep the pourable transom stuff from filling up the hull.
And what you see below where the deck used to be is just a thin layer of mat on the transom wood that will definitely get destroyed when you remove the old wood, and no glass on the inner wood at all inside the stringers (they covered the wood with glass after the stringers were placed) so the pourable transom will definitely flow into the stringers, and whatever water is in the stringer foam will keep things wet.

[LilRichard]

If you're gonna replace the transom I do believe you're going to have to cut some of the deck away no matter which method you choose.  The way the stringers are built theres just no way you can tie a poured transom into them without good access.

I start by apologizing - I did not read every post in the thread.  But if you're trying to do a transom rebuild and not to cut out the deck, you could always cut the rear of the transom out and go in that way, right?  Like this:

[dbiscayne]

Yep that would work if there was an inner skin tied to the stringers below the deck like your picture shows.  My boat didn't have any kind of decent fiberglass skin below the deck just a single layer of mat to seal the wood & it was pretty much crumbling when I got to it.  Without the skin there already I think it'd be a real pain to connect a new transom core to the stringers without access through the deck in front of the transom, it's do-able but if it were me I'd be cutting the deck, even some nice big access holes to get in there & tab the transom to the stringers & hull.  You could leave the inner skin above the deck alone, it's tied into the sides of the boat pretty good, & bond the transom core to it.

[LilRichard]

Yep that would work if there was an inner skin tied to the stringers below the deck like your picture shows.  My boat didn't have any kind of decent fiberglass skin below the deck just a single layer of mat to seal the wood & it was pretty much crumbling when I got to it.  

Ahhh... I understand.  Most 222s I have seen have glass all the way down... but then again we also always see aberrations.  I would suggest the route from the rear, and you'll probably get lucky.

[gran398]

dbiscayne,

Every old Aquasport has the same transom rust-bleed issues. The fix is to change the cleat location to the sides, on glassed-in pads.

The rebuilder was adamant in leaving the outer transom fiberglass skin. And that was all that was left. The stringers were cut forward of the transom, and approx. eight inches removed. Then after the new Coosa transom was installed, stringers rebuilt to the transom.