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January 13, 2006, 10:41:06 PM
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2006, 10:41:06 PM »
Rick:  Thnaks for the great job, and congratulations on your fine boat!!!
That is the result I was expecting.  I kept my fingers crossed for a more encouraging review.  Not really a big difference in slow speed planning (or bow lowering, for that matter???).  This is because these units are generally parallel to the bottom of the boat, and do not provide much lift to the stern.
Maybe doel-fins, which hava a larger surface perform a bit better.  However, I´m not a fan of the way they look........... :wink:
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January 14, 2006, 07:05:17 AM
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2006, 07:05:17 AM »
http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1116/sort/1/size/medium/cat/500/page/1
I don't think they would look that bad on your boat.  They are black though.
Imagine them being on your boat in this pic http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/826/sort/1/size/medium/cat/500/page/1 and I think you'd be the only one to really notice them. BTW, she's a nice looking boat with nice colors. Is the plexi anchor locker cover standard?

I don't seem to have a problem, when on plane, getting the nose down.  The porpoising is a product of when I trim up too much.  Maybe the plate is giving me the added lift to get the nose down easily?  I don't remember having a problem on the old motor, with Doelfin, either.
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January 14, 2006, 08:09:31 AM
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2006, 08:09:31 AM »
Quote from: "JimCt"
Thanks for the great pictures and the Consumer's Report quality review!
No problem - aim to please.

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Looks like she's sitting on her lines just about right.  'Course with two 200 lb'ers back there that will push her down some.  Any place to put the batteries fwd. of the console?  Maybe even add some ballast in the forepeak locker?
Maybe just not invite my buddy any more :lol:

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Gave JJ the go-ahead to send up his surplus foil.  Will get it mounted in a week or so but won't be able to give it a try until the weather breaks.
Your turn  :wink:
 
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Other project in the works is to replace the flimsy windscreen grab bar.  Got in touch with Arc-Tek ( www.arctekmarine.com ) about having a proper one fabricated.  His shop's nearby so I can run the boat over for measuring.
I remember that one of the reasons I re-did my floor is because I, and others with me, would/do hold onto the windshield frame when "cutting",  :lol:,  I mean slamming through some waves/wakes and with just being the only thing to hold onto, it eventually tore all the screws loose in the floor.  When I redid the floor, I doubled the wood layer just where the console sits so I would have twice the wood to screw into.  I replaced the floor initially around the early 1990's (and then redid the non skid later). Very solid then and still now. http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/332/sort/1/cat/all/page/4 Maybe something for the people that still have to replace theirs to think about.

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Guess you do have a wear problem with that cover! :shock: Only thing I can think of is to sew up some kind of thumb-less mitten made out of a mover's pad.  If something like that could be slipped over the windscreen upright it might provide enough cushioning to minimize the chafe.

By golly I think I've got it this time - so far at least - Rev6 is working. We're getting hammered with 30-40mph gusts right now - the same front that is hammering you guys right now, and I went out to check the tarp and because there are no more square edges http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1241/sort/1/cat/all/page/1 and the stress is tapered off http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1241/sort/1/cat/all/page/1, it seems to be taking the wind well. If not, there's always Rev7.... :lol:
Rick
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January 14, 2006, 11:42:10 AM
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2006, 11:42:10 AM »
I guess the plexy cover was standard on that year model.  I guess the color pattern was also very standard.  I´ve seen many models (up to the 275 explorers) with the same colors.
I´m still leaning towards trim tabs (got the itch...).  I guess I can wait for Jim to give us his review.  If I get them, it will be in march, when I may travel to the U.S.
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January 14, 2006, 02:19:07 PM
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2006, 02:19:07 PM »
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I´m still leaning towards trim tabs (got the itch...).  I guess I can wait for Jim to give us his review.  If I get them, it will be in march, when I may travel to the U.S.

I know about "the itch".  I'm about itched out, there's no room left on the transom.  I would have to get a front mount trolling motor (THAT would surely screw up the "lines" of the boat) or trollin tabs (great for running straight but I heard you can't steer with those - maybe forward one and reverse the other to turn?)

I don't know if these questions have been asked before, and I see ya trolling here, how deep is the water you're normally fishing in?  How deep was it in that pic? How far offshore do you have to go to get to the deep stuff? What do you normally catch? I see a lot of stuff in the front of your boat, I assume to clear the fishing area for fighting the "BIG" ones.  Presuming that you carry this much on your fishing trips, does this not help with keeping the bow in the water? (Sorry for all the questions)
Rick
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January 14, 2006, 03:15:47 PM
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2006, 03:15:47 PM »
Just a side note...

Good picture of Miguel workin' the boat.

 99% of the pictures we have of our boats are, well... of our boats.  I suggest we all make an effort to post more pictures of us actually using our boats, like Miguel.  When I get overboard this spring I want to get shots of my boat underway and at various speeds.  Some fishing pictures too.
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January 14, 2006, 04:27:44 PM
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2006, 04:27:44 PM »
When I put in this year, I'll be sure to take pictures of the Osprey at rest and at use on the water. Hopefully some with fish in them as well. :wink:

What RickK put on his boat, is that a hydrofoil? And what's on my boat is a doelfin? Is this correct?
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January 14, 2006, 04:58:38 PM
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2006, 04:58:38 PM »
They both act like a hydrofoil. Doelfin came out with it first, I think.
Rick
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January 14, 2006, 05:26:15 PM
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2006, 05:26:15 PM »
Just to set the record straight:  That´s not me on the picture.  I´m the one taking the picture.  The guy you see there is absolutelly the best fishing partner in the world.....I guess you all have one.

OK, gotta go... Father in law just arrived.  Rick: I promiss to answer all your questions latter.......
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January 14, 2006, 08:20:59 PM
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2006, 08:20:59 PM »
Rick, I have two friends with the trolling tabs.  You might be surprised at how well one can turn with them.  One friend had terrible trouble with his though.  Motors failing due to saltwater intrusion mainly.  He switched to the new Stealth brand last spring.  I went tarpon fishing with him twice last year with the Stealth and they work as well if not better than the original Trollin Tabs.

Here is a review of them.

http://www.fishingkeywest.com/electric_ ... motors.htm
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January 15, 2006, 06:33:31 AM
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2006, 06:33:31 AM »
They definitely look different. I saw on his review something about turning 360 in the length of your boat. Can't find anything else about them though - no web site that I can find, maybe out of business?  He's definitely NOT a fan of the the trolling tabs.
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January 15, 2006, 01:07:45 PM
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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2006, 01:07:45 PM »
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I don't know if these questions have been asked before, and I see ya trolling here, how deep is the water you're normally fishing in? How deep was it in that pic? How far offshore do you have to go to get to the deep stuff? What do you normally catch? I see a lot of stuff in the front of your boat, I assume to clear the fishing area for fighting the "BIG" ones. Presuming that you carry this much on your fishing trips, does this not help with keeping the bow in the water? (Sorry for all the questions)

In that picture the water is about 150 feet deep.  We generally fish 100 to 150 ft deep water.  This picture was taken about 5 miles out of the island you see in the back (Taboga Island), which is about 8 miles out of Panama City (roughly 13 miles for Panama).  During some months of the year fishing is very good this far from the city.  There are other months when you have to venture out further (25-30 miles).  I´ve only done it twice on my AS and have been lucky to find calm seas.  It can get pretty rough in an instant.  Luckily I have friends with bigger boats.
We generally troll for Dorado (Mahi-mahi), sailfish, wahoo and yellowfin on deep water.  We get closer to shore for Sierra Mackerel, snapper and some varieties of grouper.
I have to confess that I enjoy lake fishing very much.  Gatun Lake, which forms a large chunck of the Panama Canal is full of peacock bass.  There is also snook and landlocked tarpoon.  We also fish some rivers near Panama City for snook and tarpoon.  In Panama, Tarpoon has crossed the canal and inhabits some rivers on the Pacific side.
We do carry a lot of things when fishing in the sea, but the heaviest being the aditional gas (about 16 gallons) is only good on the way out.  It does help with keeping the nose down.  The rest is tackle and safety gear, which is not so heavy.  The fish cooler goes on the bow on the way in.  It also helps some.
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January 15, 2006, 04:56:37 PM
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2006, 04:56:37 PM »
If I were to take the "phins" off my mercury, do you find any plusses? Does any good come from not having a doelfin? I like my setup now but am curios as to what would happen if I removed the doelfin. Would it better suit me for watersports and fishing? What do you pros have to say? :wink:
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January 15, 2006, 06:24:57 PM
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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2006, 06:24:57 PM »
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If I were to take the "phins" off my mercury, do you find any plusses? Does any good come from not having a doelfin? I like my setup now but am curios as to what would happen if I removed the doelfin. Would it better suit me for watersports and fishing? What do you pros have to say? :wink:

I don't think you'd like your sports performance without the Doelfin - you need a good holeshot for skiing unless you like looking at the sky as you're trying to get on plane.  I'd leave the Doelfin on - it helps you get on plane.  It bolts on - try a test with before and after hole shots and slower speed planing.  Bet you bolt it back on  :wink:
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January 15, 2006, 06:41:54 PM
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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2006, 06:41:54 PM »
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In that picture the water is about 150 feet deep.  We generally fish 100 to 150 ft deep water.  This picture was taken about 5 miles out of the island you see in the back (Taboga Island), which is about 8 miles out of Panama City (roughly 13 miles for Panama).  During some months of the year fishing is very good this far from the city.  There are other months when you have to venture out further (25-30 miles).  I´ve only done it twice on my AS and have been lucky to find calm seas.  It can get pretty rough in an instant.  Luckily I have friends with bigger boats.
You've only done the 5 mile or 25-30 miles twice?  I ONCE did about 10 miles (still see land) and the fog set in with 100ft visibility.  Was pretty scary.  It was then I decided I was a GREAT bay fisherman and that is where I belong.  :wink: On a day with good weather I'll venture off the coast a couple miles but thats all.  We've all seen the weather change smooth water into nasty chop in 15 minutes.  Staying within a couple miles makes it easy for me to duck back inside the intercoastal waterway.
To get to 60ft here is a 20mile run off where I live, 80ft = 30 miles, 100-150 I don't know.  There is a gentle sloping shelf in the Gulf west off where I live.  My depth finder/GPSmap has never seen water deeper than 25ft so far.  I mostly fish in water 4 ft or less. I'm going out tomorrow with my wife if it's not too windy - maybe I can post some "fish" shots.

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We do carry a lot of things when fishing in the sea, but the heaviest being the aditional gas (about 16 gallons) is only good on the way out.  It does help with keeping the nose down.  The rest is tackle and safety gear, which is not so heavy.  The fish cooler goes on the bow on the way in.  It also helps some.

You must troll a lot to need the extra fuel on a 5mile run?
Thanks for the info - interesting.
Rick
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