19 6 new gas tank install begins

[kedd]

I'm sure he will pull through.
They must have had 20 different tanks ready for pick up when I was there in Jan.
I'm sure this time of year they are slammed.

Kedd

[imonna 19 6]

your probably right.  Hopefully i will hear from him soon.

Thanks
Bill

[gran398]

Bill, would give him a call back.  Some folks don't ck. e mails on the weekend. (like me )

Know you'll be happy with their work.

[feddc]

Bill i sent you a few emails/pms through here and you havent responded. Im a metal fabricator in your area and i am doing a tank on my aquasport currently and can also make you a tank or anything needed and completely weld it for you as well.

Thanks Dave

Let me know!!!!

[imonna 19 6]

hello all,

a week of measuring, planning, and shopping and everything is ordered.

I have FRP coming in from new jersey for the Pascoe method.  i hit Defender Industries annual clearance sale and got half my supplies and ordered the rest from Carolina outfitters.

I am ordering the tank tomorrow and looks like I will be able to get a 45 gallon.

(Feddc, thanks for the offer.  Given some issues from the past I just had to go with a company that has insurance and can offer the full package.)

After several messages for Phil at Alloy, I never got a return call or email, but thanks for the help anyway.

I'll post some pics as i go along.
Thanks'
Bill

[RaiderRed]

I am little late, but I had the same problem with my 170.  My brother, an engineer, placed a scissor jack from his rental car in between the hull and sole.  The jack was properly supported and the weight distributed.  

A clove hitch around the fuel hose and bowline tied to the engine hoist eventually did the trick.  It took a total of 4 holes to be drilled, and the bowline readjusted each time.  The hoist would pull a couple inches of hose each time, eventually lifting the boat ever so slightly.  The weight of the hull would slide back to the trailer, thus pulling out more hose.  

[imonna 19 6]

crazy how much resistance there can be with these hoses.  I know how you felt when it finally came out.  Nice pictures.

I just sent the deposit for my tank and my new hose is sitting on the dining room table, waiting tom be pulled through. Very exciting

Bill

[imonna 19 6]

hello again,

I decided to open the entire chaseway for the new fuel lines because 1) wet foam  and 2) I wanted to make sure I can run them without kinks.  I cut a small hole in the coffin (per others suggestions) and had easy access to the foam.



I removed the foam





and it looks good.

I decided to leave the old vent line in as a conduit for the fill-to-tank-ground.

I discovered a while back that the original vent had been crushed by either the foam or bad placement, but I was able to snake it enough to get my ground wire in and it makes the perfect sheath.



The tank has been ordered and after all is said and done the max size I can fit becasue the shape off the coffin is 41 gallons.  Wanted more, but I'll take it. its the 2 3/4 clearance for the fill fitting that killed it.

Here is the gear for the install (so far)


Tank will take 10 days and i am away next weekend, so I have plenty of time to do all the other things on my pre-season list.

Bill

[imonna 19 6]

Hello all,

I made a lot of progress yesterday.

I added a new inspection hatch under the forward seat so i could keep an eye on my fill and vent








next was moving the deck fill back to the starboard gunnel, instead of right in the middle of the fuel tank coffin lid.

pictures upside down...sorry







next, out with the old vent fitting, which was too bad because  I really liked it.  No flame arrester screen in the old one and gonna do this right.



New low profile one comes Monday.


Then, the guy who sold me the boat ran a washdown pump hose and wire and the bilge  wiring from the bilge through the fuel tank coffin and up into to the console.

I figured if I moved them i would eliminate two holes in the coffin.  I chased the hose and wires along the bilge pump hose (following the transom to starboard unbder the deck and over the stringer.

Took a couple hours and now I have to re wire the pumps because the wiring takes a longer route and wont reach, but I am happy with this change.

Today I am sanding off some old caulk off the coffin lid.  Gonna build the new mahogany frame for under the console and gonna continue cleaning the grime off the coffin.

[imonna 19 6]

One of the benefits of moving the tank back to the coffin is the increased space under the console.  By moving the batteries astern a bit i open the space under my forward seat.

The look good here


you can also see the new forward hatch (above the fill and vent) and the middle hatch (above the pick-up and sender).


The wooden feet between the console and deck...what a nightmare.  I noticed they where in pretty bad shape.  No finish, many broken screws still in holes etc.
I got my hand on a nice piece of 4/4 mahogany that was just the right size and a couple hours in the shop and i replicated the old footing with a new one. I cant wait to see the look of the varnished mahogany around the console.

forgot to take picture of the old one before it was out, heres a pic of the old  laid on top of the new


and the new


They are held to the deck with 1 1/2 pan head SS screws, each countersunk.  


Now that it is pre-drilled I have to remove it and put a few coats of waterlox on it.  While that cures i have to repair the old mouting holes, which were never properly sealed and are wet and tore up.  Gonna tackle that when i mix a batch of thickened epoxy or i might buy a tube of that syringed epoxy that will help me get to the bottom of the hole without an air bubble.

[imonna 19 6]

Tank will be ready for pick up Monday or Tuesday and after on-line purchases from Boaters world, carolina outfitters, McMaster Carr, woodcraft defender marine, jamestown distributors, and cabelas...i think I have ALMOST everything I need for the install, re-wiring of the bilge pump (which has outdoor light cables now thanks to previous owner), thru hull fixing, fuel vent re-install, etc..etc...


I do have one more question I havent solved.

What is the best way to secure the fuel fill and vent hoses tp prevent vibration.  
i could use foam.  
i could strap them in.


i could leave them be if securing is unneccessary.


let me know what you other tank re-build guys did.

Bill

[pete]

double clamp each connection,the straps to secure will work great.

[imonna 19 6]

I had to go away this weekend, but made some progress late last week and tonight.  I pick up the tank tomorrow afternoon, so i am pretty excited.  I will definitly put pics on tomorrow night.


I cut new mahogany console trim and put several coats of waterlox marine finish on.  

before


after



i modified the starboard side piece.  I cut it in two pieces allowing me to remove just the portion over the control tunnel so i could raise the console without removing the rest of the wood (also, it will make it much easier to properly seal the mahogany and securing hardware on most of the console before having to bring down the console).  this will make sense to those of you that have lifted your console without disconnecting all your wiring.


I pre-fit the new deck hatch in the storage box.  




i cut the new hole for the new flushmount SS vent.

Here it is pre-fit.


I used some of the excess FRP i bought for the pascoe method tank install as a backer for the fitting.  it is 1/4" thick and works great.



As you can see by the positioning I will be running the vent line up initially to prevent water intrusion.  

Also, in order to keep it with the right pitch all the way to the tank, it worked better to run it towards the bow, then back to the tank.  I am pretty sure that this will keep any traps from forming in the line.

I did an initial run of the new lines to see how they fit.  

Looks like i got the right sizes on everything

vent


fuel



Both run, along with the old vent which is being used as a conduit for the tank/fill ground



Tomorrow i get the tank and prefit, but before i do much more i am going to use some Six10 to seal up a lot of old screw holes around the coffin, on the coffin lid, and around the deck.

Anyone every use this that have any suggestions




Last, but not least, i found this between the casting deck and hull, just forward of the coffin.  Anyone recognize it?  Kinda figured maybe someone floating around here would recognize it and identify the boat as one they used to own.  who knows how long it has been down there.





Bill

[imonna 19 6]

helllo all,

i drove to Bristol RI today to pick up my new tank.  I have to give Luthers welding an honorable mention.  the tank was exact on all specs, on-time, clean, made to order.  I am very happy.

I test fitted it into the coffin with the lid on and its a perfect fit.

ultimately i got a 43 gallon tank
1 1/2 OD fill'
5/8 OD vent
Ground tab

3/8 OD pick-up WITHOUT the anti siphon valve (Thanks SKOOT)

I put the pick up towards the middle of the tank and had them run a tygon tube to the back.


The sending unit was pre-installed for me.

here are some pics.

the dimensions are 63 3/4 by 21 1/2 by 7 1/2.










I have a question.   Before adhering the FRP with 5200,  3M suggests using their product General Adhesive Cleaner, but that would cost more money and I am so far over budget I want to avoid it if unneccessary.  Does anyone have a proven alternative solvent that can be applied to aluminum, while not interfering with the 5200's ability to adhere.

[slvrlng]

Acetone or xylene.

You have made a lot of progress! Tank looks great! As do the rest of your ideas!