SoFla rebuild photos

[RickK]

LilRichard,

Why avoid Bayside? Just curious...

Please take this conversation off-line.

[thennutts]

I guess I'm missing the point of an informational forum.    

[gran398]

Hang loose. The point being that what is discussed next affects the parties mentioned.

He's thinking of everyone here. Its all good.

[RickK]

I guess I'm missing the point of an informational forum.    

Our goal is to NOT become another THT where heresay is thrown around without concern to the damage and fallout that happens.

[Necessary Evil]

Ok by me.

[SnookNreds]

i wanna know too, message me why, please thanks

[LilRichard]

I guess I'm missing the point of an informational forum.    

Our goal is to NOT become another THT where heresay is thrown around without concern to the damage and fallout that happens.

Well IMO we should also eliminate pages where folks are saying "so and so is great, I saw a boat rebuilt by them", because people do make decisions based on what they hear.  I'm not bashing Bayside, I just stated I would avoid them, and that is not[/i] heresay.

[thennutts]

It's not defamation nor slander if the parties in the conversation are telling an experience dealing with the truth. If giving pros and cons of companies dealt with by members on this site is not permitted I think we should deleted the thread about the guy who had problems with that online motor company rebuilding his motor, my own post about the guy who screwed me and killed my rebuild attempt, as well as plenty others that have had sour dealings with companies. Sounds to me like there may be special interests dealing with this company. The people need information good and bad to make educated decisions, otherwise why have a forum?

[fitz73222]

You guy's should go back and check the January 8, 2010 posts between RickK and Thennuts before we decide to censor dialog about bad business practices. The guy that originally worked on Thennuts boat deserved every bit of criticism he deserved and he had a nice respectable website with WORC people doing work for him. Lets not pull the reins back if someone has an issue with a "respectable" establishment. There are many ways to convey a point without being slanderous and irresponsible. Quite frankly, I thought Thennuts did an excellent job portraying the abortion that happened to him and probably saved others many $1000's of dollars and "we" were all OK with that!

[Capt. Bob]

people do make decisions based on what they hear.  

I totally agree but it still resides to the individual to make their own decision, hopefully based on proven experience. Therefore information needs to pass freely, with verifiable backup, all in a civil manner. I'm not very fond of censorship used to protect opinions. At this point, I don't believe anyone is trying to do that. Just trying to keep it real. 8)

That's why it's important to have a place you feel confident in visiting, to get the information you seek and not feel intimidated if you ask reasonable questions concerning same. Currently, the forum provides this type of atmosphere and it is IMHO necessary to retain this for creditability. I understand and support any effort to keep it so.

That stated, I approach every forum with eyes wide open and take posts with a grain of salt. I freely admit to nonsense posting on occasion in a lighthearted attempt to add a little humanity to the stark cyber-world a forum creates. I only try and use opinion/information that is supported by real world experience and avoid blather about anything without backup. In other words, I don't take many leaps of faith and prefer my knowledge sprinkled with a big dose of photos. If you got a raw deal somewhere down the line, then it should be posted with the intent to inform, not defame. Please support your findings. I personally see no reason why it would not be allowed. Again, just like real life, back up what you print.  

There is a lot of good info on this forum, you just have to be able to find it. There is also (with any internet forum) a lot of "fluff" with little support other than personal opinion/hearsay. If you want to experience true supported opinions/ideas and solid information, then visit the Aqua Cafe forum. Read the threads fully and you will see pot fulls (pun intended) of real world experience and backup. The Rebuild forum boasts a fair amount of Photo evidence. Again, real world backup.

Learn to weed it out, hone your common sense and please, thicken your skin. I don't hate ya. Jeez, I don't even know ya.

So everyone, hike up your drawers and let's get back to work.

[Flatback Man]

Right now I have a 1984 222 being restored at Coast to Coast in New Port Richey and  we are 2/3's of the way done (just purchased a 2010 200 etec new). As of now my experience has been great and price not bad either. Some day when I can figure out how to post pictures I will show everyone. My decision to restore instead on buy new was simple. Old boats are simply built better and a restored 222 will outlast and out preform any production line boat.

[SnookNreds]

flatback man

C/C reasonable priced to do the restore?
What exactly are you having done to it?

[gran398]

Right now I have a 1984 222 being restored at Coast to Coast in New Port Richey and  we are 2/3's of the way done (just purchased a 2010 200 etec new). As of now my experience has been great and price not bad either. Some day when I can figure out how to post pictures I will show everyone. My decision to restore instead on buy new was simple. Old boats are simply built better and a restored 222 will outlast and out preform any production line boat.

That's who made my sit on top livewell. He was also putting a tower on another member's Aqua.....that how found the Sanchez Bros top.

[RickK]

I m going to hi-jack this thread for a moment - I apologize in advance.

It's not defamation nor slander if the parties in the conversation are telling an experience dealing with the truth. If giving pros and cons of companies dealt with by members on this site is not permitted I think we should deleted the thread about the guy who had problems with that online motor company rebuilding his motor, my own post about the guy who screwed me and killed my rebuild attempt, as well as plenty others that have had sour dealings with companies. Sounds to me like there may be special interests dealing with this company. The people need information good and bad to make educated decisions, otherwise why have a forum?

I certainly don't have any special interests with any of the vendors that are in the area OR are members here although I did meet Will for a few seconds at one of our gatherings.  I have also heard a complaint about the company but that is all - I heard - no first hand experience with the business.  We've witnessed the atrocity that thennutts went through and I agree that the company deserved what they got here.

What happens all too often is that someone throws out 3rd person info about some company and the experience that they heard about. It stirs great conversation on a forum and it gets deeper and deeper until death threats, arson, etc are placed against the company. What the reporter never knew about nor reported back to the riot is that the company bent over backwards to make things right and possibly did - you never hear that part. I was raised and I raised my kids to not gossip (not that it worked totally) and I think that is a good way to live.

If someone comes on here and documents it like we saw with thennutts, there is no refuting this.  Hell hath no fury....  
If someone is "reporting", that is a different story and one that needs to be taken offline.

You guy's should go back and check the January 8, 2010 posts between RickK and Thennuts before we decide to censor dialog about bad business practices. The guy that originally worked on Thennuts boat deserved every bit of criticism he deserved and he had a nice respectable website with WORC people doing work for him. Lets not pull the reins back if someone has an issue with a "respectable" establishment. There are many ways to convey a point without being slanderous and irresponsible. Quite frankly, I thought thennuts did an excellent job portraying the abortion that happened to him and probably saved others many $1000's of dollars and "we" were all OK with that!

Let's talk about this now - I think the connotation here is that I am pro business in any case and I take offense to this implication - I was not defending the business owner at all - in fact I was appalled just like everyone else with the workmanship, if you can call it that. I think my normal posture here is a neutral one.  I needed to know the answers to the questions I asked and got the answers to them.  If you think about what I asked it was a laundry list of things that must be done, or not done, when working with a business that is charging you big bucks and no one in their right mind would have admitted to any of the questions I asked, publicly at least - although I asked what others were thinking. I probably could have asked the questions in a different tone though. If I offended you, thennutts, I did not mean to and I am sorry.

Now the big question: Do you guys want a special forum that will allow a fully unregulated place to vent anything from "the guy didn't buff my truck out enough" to the abortion that thennutts experienced?  I'm ok with this and will not admin the forum at all.  Someone else will have to have the balls to moderate this one. Any volunteers?

Before you make a decision, think about this carefully and be careful with what you wish for. It won't take much for us to go from what we have to becoming just like a thousand other forums out there. Everyone has a choice if they want to be a member here or not based on the environment.

Oh, and of course I'd have to run this by the attorney that owns this place before it can happen.

[fitz73222]

No RickK,
Keep the same posture and continue to be the conscience of this forum and please keep a tight drag on our tendencies to school up like Jack Crevelle on a pod of pogies. This is a special place with some really special people and nothing should ever compromise that. It is good to have this kind of dialog from time to time and be reeled in and reminded that we do differenciate ourselves from so many other snake pit forums because of our values...

Keep up the good work!
Fitz