1991 21 WAC

[Capt. Bob]

Well the more I thought about it, the more I realized this brilliant idea wouldn't work



So...


This is the abridged version, running to the combo bait and wash down pump.

Hopefully it will work OK.

[Dan210EX]

Hey Capt. Bob

boat looks great, congratulations, I'm looking to buy a 1993 WAC 210 explorer, looks exactly like the one you got but without the anchor pedestal, it has the original '93 Yamaha (unknown hours), the boat looks really good for its age, seems to be very solid, floor has a small soft area right in front of the front deck hatch.

There's a couple of issues that I would like everybodys opinion about, It has bottom paint that seems to be coming off, it feels ashy to the touch and my finger got all covered in it, theres also a few tinny hair cracks on the floor near the big cover over the bilge pump/fish box and also a visible crack (about 6 inches long) on the inside part of the transom, where the transom meets the floor, underneath the engine upper mounting bolts, it seems to be a stress crack? I assume, and I don't think it goes all the way to the core, since the transom seems to be solid.

The guy is asking $7000 for it, what do you guys think?
here's a few pics of it, thanks in advance for your replys.

[pete]

Welcome to the forum!Nice looking rig for a 93,I wouldn't worry about the bottom paint,if its coming off that will make it easier to get it off,I would suggest taking the boat to a third party Yamaha tech and get the motor checked out,it will be money well spent.

[Dan210EX]

thanks Pete, I'll keep that in mind, what do you think about the price?

[Capt. Bob]

I'm looking to buy a 1993 WAC 210 explorer, looks exactly like the one you got but without the anchor pedestal, it has the original '93 Yamaha (unknown hours), the boat looks really good for its age, seems to be very solid, floor has a small soft area right in front of the front deck hatch.

First off Dan,
Welcome aboard.
When you get a chance, tell us something about yourself and post it in the "Intro" thread in the "Aqua Discussion" forum.

That stated, you're looking at what I call the transition model between the Express Fisherman of the 80s and the Explorer model from 92 thru 2005. 1994 saw the entry of the "Euro Transom" models and I want to say, 1996 saw the 215 EX which was the clone of the 210 Welcraft Coastal. So you're in a group of models with the older "flat" cabin line and the newer helm/cockpit.

There's a couple of issues that I would like everybodys opinion about, It has bottom paint that seems to be coming off, it feels ashy to the touch and my finger got all covered in it,

As Pete stated, that will help with removal if you choose or you can repaint. I believe Fearless Leader repainted his 92 WAC with an off white color that looks like the hull itself.

theres also a few tinny hair cracks on the floor near the big cover over the bilge pump/fish box and also a visible crack (about 6 inches long) on the inside part of the transom, where the transom meets the floor, underneath the engine upper mounting bolts, it seems to be a stress crack? I assume, and I don't think it goes all the way to the core, since the transom seems to be solid.

I'd like to see a pic before I comment but mine seems very strong also. I'll assume you "tap tested" the transom. A nice feature of this model is that one can get a good view below deck and inspect almost the entire transom and a good section of the stringers.

The guy is asking $7000 for it, what do you guys think?

The boat looks good in the pics but I'd bet you'll need to replace the tank. If the motor checks out, the trailer is in good (as in very)shape and the crack is superficial, then I would think $5000 would work for me. That gives you $2000 to play with and remember, the boat's only really worth what you are willing to pay. The soft spot in the deck sounds like it's on the tank coffin cover. Very repairable but just one more thing you'll need to do.
How's the cabin look?, hydraulic steering working/leaking?
Cabin cushions all there? Bimini?
$3500 sounding even better. Again, $7000 is a turn key classic in this style (again IMHO) so think hard what it will take to make it your own.

All in all, an excellent model IMHO but I'm quite bias.

Get more pics, water test, sniff test and eyeball first hand.

Good luck

[Dan210EX]

Thanks Capt. Bob

I will introduce myself later, yes I'm planning on removing the bottom paint, it seems it will come off very easily with a sponge.  To repaint it with off-white, (like Fearless Leader did) sounds like a good idea too.  

I wil try to get more pictures and yes, I did "tap" test the transom area and it sounded solid. Aslo, I stood on the motor leg and put all my weight to rock the transom (that's 250lbs)  The whole boat rocked but the transom didn't flex. I also checked the stringers through the bait well pump//fish box compartment and they also sounded solid.

You may be right, I may need to replace the fuel tank but I didn't smell any fuel or fumes inside the cabin or inside the side compartments where the batteries are, I did the "sniff" test after reading your post. The soft spot in the deck is right where you said it is, but that's an easy fix. I can do that myself.  

The cabin looks extremely clean, it has all the cushions in good shape.  There is a bimini top but it was rolled up so I need to inspect that also.  There is the "classic" rust spot on the carpet underneath the dash but the owner just put two brand new Yamaha electronic gauges.  

I have to check the hydraulic steering but I plan to do that when we do the sea trial next weekend. I agree that $7000 is too much money but I really like the boat and will probably offer him $6000 if everything checks out ok.

Thanks for all your comments and suggestions.

Dan

[RickK]

Welcome aboard Dan  :!:  :!:
Boat looks decent and almost ready to hit the water this season.  Then work on it in the winter.
I'd hand the boat off to someone to sandblast the bottom paint off and then recoat with Petit ablative.
The transom is poured in that year so it should be solid.
Those jump seats are unique - they'd be one of the first things I'd remove.

Overall I think she looks to be a good boat.  I still have the original horses on my Explorer and it runs great.
I think your offer would not be a bad one.

[Capt. Bob]

Sounds good Dan.

I like this model for its style and it has a decent amount of room in the cockpit and helm area.
I look forward to getting mine back in the water this spring and doing a few "overnighters".

It's also a tiny bit of the Aqua culture that was happening at the time so.... 8)

Good luck with the purchase and keep us in the loop.

[Dan210EX]

Thanks Rick!!

Yeah, I'm planning on removing the bottom paint as soon as I can, great news about the transom!!, thanks, and I agree with you 100% those jump seats are really ugly, I don't know what the guys was thinking when he put them on..

I'm also concerned about the engine, I'm planning on having the compression checked out before the sea trial, but I know those Yamaha's are great motors.

btw, I checked the NADA value for this boat with the Yamaha 200HP and it says $5800 Average retial without any option, so I think $6K is about right.

I'm also looking at a couple of '99 models, one is a 215 and the other is a 225, any comments greatly appreciated

And also Capt. Bob thanks a lot for your comments, the boat is surprisingly big on the cockpit for a 21 foot WA, I'll keep you guys updated, thanks.

Dan

[Capt. Bob]

I'm also looking at a couple of '99 models, one is a 215 and the other is a 225, any comments greatly appreciated
Dan

As stated before and you being a Wellcraft owner, the Aqua 215 Explorer is a Wellcraft 210 Coastal re-badged. I would guess Genmar wanted a 21 foot WAC but really didn't need two different models, hence the 215 was born.
I looked at those, they have the same basic room as the older 210 Aquas but have a different profile (think pregnant guppy). The porta-potty hides away better in the 215 and I guess there is a "scoash" more room in the crotch and thigh of the cabin. It comes with a factory installed vent also. The walkaround lane is not as deep. The 215 looks good with the factory hardtop and not too bad in the water but I personally prefer the flatter design of the older Aqua EX/Walkarounds of the early 90s.

The 225 showed up in 94. It looked just like the 230 with a Euro transom. I rather like that (225) model. I looked at several in the 96/97 years. Decent cabin, good walkaround depth and a lot of cockpit space even with the Euro transom. That style transom is a love it/ hate it thing with some. Personally, I'm a full bracket/swim platform fan so I think it works and looks fine. It does reduce usable space but the 225 seems to have enough for my taste. It's a pretty boat both in and out of the water, if you're a WAC fan, and it is the model I really was looking to get.

All that stated, the WAC is an acquired taste. Mine comes from my early years in So. Fla. growing up with Woodsons and Thunderbirds. I always wanted a "Ranger Rick" Coral Key special. It's taken me almost 50 years to get one so I'm going to enjoy it for awhile (I hope).

Good luck and remember the fun is in the hunt.

[pete]

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Hurry dad!!! Buds' in trouble!!!!

[Capt. Bob]

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Hurry dad!!! Buds' in trouble!!!!

1964 model year.
How 'bout that stern rail. 8)

Hey ain't that Bud back there?

[pete]

You get the idea CB.Someones' in trouble,some where!!!Just get in!!! :batman:

[gran398]

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Hurry dad!!! Buds' in trouble!!!!

Pete that is one cool pic...thanks for sharing!
I LOVED Flipper....as a little boy, she was like Lassie, but no fur...

Thanks for the nostalgia...

[Circle Hooked]

I'm also looking at a couple of '99 models, one is a 215 and the other is a 225, any comments greatly appreciated

Go with the 225,I've heard it a million times,i wish my boat was just 2 feet longer,don't settle for smaller only to wish you got the bigger boat down the road,plus you just can't go wrong with the 225