1973 22.2 redo ===== SOLD!!!!!

[gran398]

Have just read this thread twice start to finish.

Nice careful rebuild with good input from the board.

A couple of things that I took from the discussion:

The original stringers do contain some plywood internally, as did mine. Most likely used as a stiffener originally when the foam was placed. When you go to re-foam....dig it all out, especially the wood.

Secondly, the discussion with regard to raising the floor height....at the expense of lowering freeboard. This discussion will be around 'till heck freezes over.

And then the correct power for a 22-2...with bracket. Another discussion which will continue forward.

Shortpants...good job. Your comments on Classifieds were why I reviewed this. Think the decision you are making regarding completion makes sense...and for this reason.

Most folks aren't capable/inclined to see the big picture. They see what's in front of them. You can take a Lamborghini prepped for paint...nothing special to most. But throw on five coats of red, four coats of clear...all of a sudden, it's oooh-ahhhh time. And the spray is the cheapest, least time-consuming part of the job.

Again SP...NICE work.

[CaptSteveBetz]

Been watching this build. Looking good so far.
I just finished a rebuild on a 24 Proline Flat back. This is my input on powering your boat.
I have a 175 Suzuki mounted on a Porta Bracket with 21" offset and the optional swim platforms.
 This is how the boat performs after having her out a few times.

3000 rpms = 20 knts
4000 rpm = 30 knts
5000 rpm = 40 knts
This is with out having the motor all trimmed out.
I have not run it above 5000 rpms

With 4 adults and a full load of gear she jumps on plane with the slight touch of the throttle.
I have a 15x 21 stainless Solas prop.

I have to agree with some of the other guys. You dont need big power to run these type of hulls. The hull design is only going to allow for so much speed anyway. Its not all about engine size.




I noticed you are looking for a console. This is what I used. I got it from Marine Connection Liquidators in Ft. Peirce. Cost was 450.00

[shortpants]

Thanks guys!  Unfortunately most individuals when they start undertaking a restore of this nature don't realize not only the stress of going through it trying to figure out what is best for each individual hull but also the cost of undertaking such a project.  I am going to buy a 55 gallon tank of resin this week at a cost of $1000.  Wow!!!!  That will give me enough hopefully to finish up the deck and some other things with it.  I am going to finish glassing++ the stringers, actually bulkheads, with some more glass to the hull and also in ther corners of the transom to increase intergrity.  Then, foam in the stringers.  When I did rip them out there was some plywood at the bottom of the originaly stringers but was only at the back.  Did not go all they way forward.  That was found along with some Old Milwaukee beer cans inside of them.

I am looking for some decent hatch molds for both the front deck hatches and bilge area.  Anyone have any decent molds or know of any place I can pick some up at a decent price?  Am not looking to use the plastic hatches.  This may help speed up the process as we won't have to make our own.

Since I have trashed my old liner can someone give me the height of the front deck and also the measurement from the transom to where the deck begins?

I, wife, have picked out a few colors for the hull and a mojority of them are in the light blue spectrum.  

Oh, what are everyones feelings about once the tank is set and foamed in about covering it with a piece of nidacore and then glassing that over, angling it for water to run off?  I guess putting it in it own capsle.  Trying to keep water intrusion to a minimal.  I have seen it both ways in some rebuilds.  Over kill?

I hoping to have some more pics up within the next month or so.

SP

[fitz73222]

If Scott hasn't already contacted you; we've got your hatches. New replacement exact replicas, with original non skid pattern if you prefer, foamed with Divincell. Fishbox and the two smaller hatches available. Mine are due for completion by Labor day. I sent my hatches from my 73 22-2 to Scotts builder in NC to pop the molds off of them. So you do or dont have your original casting deck? I can give you all the measurements you need; I'm still original. Scott and me have been working through lots of details on his 73' 22-2 rebuild. So we will be glad to share our thoughts. Whats your hull number? We're both November (D) 73' hulls; I'm #421 he is #428, so they may have held hands in the lamination building!

[shortpants]

Fritz,

That would be great!!!! Which pattern or style hatches?  AS if I remember correctly had at least 3 front deck style hatches.  I do not have the casting deck also.  That would be an added bonus and cut my rebuild time down a week or so having to form those out.   Not sure foam or Divinicell, putting 3/4 divincell down.

SP

[gran398]

SP,

Gonna go ahead and respond, since today is Fitz's birthday, and he is out enjoying the evening. Happy Birthday Fitz

These hatches fit the casting deck of any 70's 22-2. One long, two short. You will need the original casting deck to utilize these hatches.

See Thermal's latest pics of his upside-down casting deck. Our hatches fit this deck.

Bayside in Tampa sells a casting deck to fit a 22-2, around 2K.  Not a duplicate, will not accept the factory 22-2 hatches. But seems to be a nice unit.

My casting deck, like Thermal's, is out and loose now, will re-install in about a month. If you want, can take a mold from my part. The hatches are a given, done deal. They have lips per the original for a tight fit.

Another alternative would be to go by Hammerhead or Bayside (Tampa, Fl.) and dig around for an original deck. They do exist...but won't see them advertised.

Then can use our original hatches.

If you want to keep her classic...we'll do our best. And sure would be neat to keep these parts for posterity.

[shortpants]

My hull #D423.  I am going to have to try and find a casting deck somewhere as mine was hacked up by an over anxious, heat exhausted (100 deg. that day) me.  

I noticed most of my pics have changed so will post these.







SP

[fitz73222]

That's amazing; what was it about 11/73! Almost 40 years later, these hulls were in the plant at the same time. Find that bow deck if you can! Its $2K for a new one from Bayside as Scott mentioned. Not sure what it would cost to build a new one from scratch.

[shortpants]

Picked this up for my boat, 07 Ameritrail trailer.  Is set-up for a Shearwater 22 originally with the flat bunks.  Will modify later.  

[gran398]

Unbelievable...2 hulls behind yours.

Maybe we should sell them as a set of three to a sheik in Bahrain

[Capt. Bob]

Unbelievable...2 hulls behind yours.

Maybe we should sell them as a set of three to a sheik in Bahrain

I faintly recall reading about some ancient Arab legend that stated that it was unholy to purchase a camel from a southpaw.

Good luck lefty.

[gran398]

Thanks bro.

Being left-handed does have its advantages. Especially when it comes to selling three boats built three days apart in 1973 to a sheik in Bahrain for his three sons: Ahmad Aquahomma, Abdulla Bomamma, and the youngest son by the Italian mother, sheik Classico Sporticus El Shariff.

Nice folks. We met in Monaco.

They're willing to pay top Dinar too

[Necessary Evil]

Thanks for the numbers Capt. Steve! Great looking boat you have there! I've got a 1976 22-2 in process and the 175 Zuke is my motor of choice. I expect its performance on a 22-2 will be very similar to what you get on your Proline. Do you have any fuel efficiency stats? How big of a fuel tank did you install?

Charlie

[CaptSteveBetz]

Thanks for the numbers Capt. Steve! Great looking boat you have there! I've got a 1976 22-2 in process and the 175 Zuke is my motor of choice. I expect its performance on a 22-2 will be very similar to what you get on your Proline. Do you have any fuel efficiency stats? How big of a fuel tank did you install?

Charlie

No fuel stats as of yet but from what I can tell so far its going to be good. I installed a 47 gallon tank. I am positive that will give me more range than I will ever need.

From what I have been told by people who are running Suzukis on Prolines and Aqua Sports the 150 will do the job. I opted for the 175 just for the little extra kick.
IMHO I think anything more than a 175 on a flat back hull is a unneeded and will not make them much if any faster.

[shortpants]

Ok, I have been discussing the issue of tank, center console, fuel tank placement, weight to ride ratio, with some friends.  One is dead set that the console should be at least 102" forward from the transom.  That does not leave much room for a cooler in front of the console next to the casting deck.  Again, my tank if about 66.5 gallons and I plan on putting at least a 45 gal. live well behind the console.  I do plan on taking some off of the tank, late change as the rigging tubing was placed in a poor location so have to modify the tank.  This will cause me to loose my 5-10 gallons of fuel knocking the tank down to a 56-61 gallon tank.  Also, I know that the porta-bracket I plan on using will effect it.  102" is pretty darn far forward.  Suggestions or opinions?