need evinrude outboard help in South FL

[Capt. Bob]

ok, replaced the thermostats, both were shot, now the motor comes out of quick start, power pac seems to be working and the regulator is charging, still no tach. checked the gray wire and connections.    Took apart the carbs and removed the toothpicks stuck in the idle jets.  Now the motor won't run.  put the toothpicks back in for an experiment and it starts right up and purrs like a kitten.. ????  What are the jet sizes that sre suposed to be in there?  The idles are 28 and the seconds are 32.  Never heard that the engine runs better with toopicks in the jets!

This may not be your carb but you can search the site for your model http://www.ishopmarine.com/ishop/jsp/AsplIsmCcatViewBase.jsp?&lvlCode=5&pCode=C0043051&path=BRP~A0000003~M0002683~M0002703~M0002707~C0043051&isFromCMS=false&hideAdd2CartButton=&isStandAlone=&is4CmsShop=&reqln=Unknown&reqem=Unknown&reqph=Unknown&reqFor=29&req4Browse=1&docId=&docName=&isForSupStore=true&cCatFilter=BRP&eCatSupFldr=supplier-100-005-EJ

Tell me what # number "orifice" has the toothpicks (or whatever # has the pick).

[aqua719]

the toothpicks are in the top jet which is stamped 28 the bottom jet is open and stamped 32.

[Capt. Bob]

Would you mind e-mailing those pics to me and your engine model #?

Thanks
 rb53@comcast.net

[aqua719]

"Plugging these tubes with toothpicks will greatly enrich the mixture, approximately 10% to 20%"
another opinion from a different forum that sounds logical...???    

[Capt. Bob]

"Plugging these tubes with toothpicks will greatly enrich the mixture, approximately 10% to 20%"
another opinion from a different forum that sounds logical...???    

No, that's true.
Those are air mixture orifices. The toothpicks are in the "mid-range" orifice (28). The bottom is the idle speed orifice (#32).
It would appear that the former owner had problems with the fuel mixture running too lean (too much air/to little fuel) and instead of tracking down the cause, he (or his mechanic) cut off the air supply and thus enriched the fuel mix. Next step is to see where the lack of fuel is coming from.

[aqua719]

looks like it's time to order the carb kits...  

[Capt. Bob]

looks like it's time to order the carb kits...  

That's a great place to start.
This is the proper link for your carbs. Please note the lower carb in each group has  different main jet from the top carb.http://www.ishopmarine.com/ishop/jsp/AsplIsmCcatViewBase.jsp?&lvlCode=5&pCode=C0042992&path=BRP~A0000003~M0002683~M0002703~M0002705~C0042992&isFromCMS=false&hideAdd2CartButton=&isStandAlone=&is4CmsShop=&reqln=Unknown&reqem=Unknown&reqph=Unknown&reqFor=29&req4Browse=1&docId=&docName=&isForSupStore=true&cCatFilter=BRP&eCatSupFldr=supplier-100-005-EJ

You won't get the jets in the kits, shouldn't need them.

[aqua719]

Thanks for all the help!  really appreciate it! With some TLC I think I should still get a couple more years of use.  

[kaptainkoz]

Just read this post and im well ahead of you. I have an 86 evinrude 225, same carbs. The toothpick thing is to richen up the mixture. Those jets meter air instead of fuel, so the typical opposite applies: smaller jet=more fuel. Basically what you have is an air leak somewhere, so to remedy it the former owner richened up the mixture. Not an uncommon issue with those motors.  Now the fun part... finding it. Here is my journey as written on a blog on iboats.com... this thread will save you alot of time:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php ... t=225+flat

What I ended up doing in the end was rejetting leaner. She runs fine. I still have to check for air leaks by painting every joint with soapy water and looking for bubbles. I still suspect an air leak or crack somewhere. Even though I have fixed the problem I am yet to find the cause.
By the way, Iboats.com is an awesome site for motor issues. Really good stuff with plenty of knowledgeable people chiming in.... kind of like our site here!

By the way... as long as you have good compression, the rest of the parts/issues mentioned are just typical maintainence items... stators, rectifiers, power packs.... been there, done that. Its all part of keeping the Rude's happy and running. Try paying for (or finding) parts for a Yamaha or a Honda and you will be happy you kept your Evinrude.

[aqua719]

Just read this post and im well ahead of you. I have an 86 evinrude 225, same carbs. The toothpick thing is to richen up the mixture. Those jets meter air instead of fuel, so the typical opposite applies: smaller jet=more fuel. Basically what you have is an air leak somewhere, so to remedy it the former owner richened up the mixture. Not an uncommon issue with those motors.  Now the fun part... finding it. Here is my journey as written on a blog on iboats.com... this thread will save you alot of time:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php ... t=225+flat

What I ended up doing in the end was rejetting leaner. She runs fine. I still have to check for air leaks by painting every joint with soapy water and looking for bubbles. I still suspect an air leak or crack somewhere. Even though I have fixed the problem I am yet to find the cause.
By the way, Iboats.com is an awesome site for motor issues. Really good stuff with plenty of knowledgeable people chiming in.... kind of like our site here!

By the way... as long as you have good compression, the rest of the parts/issues mentioned are just typical maintainence items... stators, rectifiers, power packs.... been there, done that. Its all part of keeping the Rude's happy and running. Try paying for (or finding) parts for a Yamaha or a Honda and you will be happy you kept your Evinrude.

Thanks for the input, I read your post on iboats.  looks like you did alot work trying to find the problem. I think I might also try the soapy water to see if there are any air leaks. I am still going to do the carb kits because it's been probably 3-5 years and I'm sure there is some build up.  Have good compression on all the cylinders, so i'll fix the minor things to keep this evinrude running as long as I can.  Just curious?  how fast does yours go?  GPS said I was at 52 mph with out trimming the motor up at all, might be able to get 2-3 more w/ trimming.  the thing is I use it to fish, so I don't need it that fast. burns to much gas!

[kaptainkoz]

Id love to tell you... but I sold the motor saturday! I had a crappy GPS until santa brought me a Lowrance 522... so I would have been able to tell you how fastnow but not then... but all I can say is I hit the throttle and that damn thing took off... and about 4 seconds later the tears would start streaming horizontal from the wind in my face. It was FAST!! I wish I could have known before I sold it. The only difference between your 200 and a 225 is the carbs. Be on the lookout for a same year set of 225 carbs and you will have just that.. a 225 (or at least research wht size jets your year 225 had and make sure the carbs you buy have the same size... Evinrude changed the jet sizes around on some late 80's models). Ive done well with carbs on Ebay. By the way I have a 1988 175 Evinrude that is taking its place. The 225 was just way too heavy for my 200CCP... the self bailing deck would start to flood as I stood near the transom because of the weight... and I agree with you... im just fishing...I dont need a rocket ship... BUT... if my hull was designed for it I would have kept the 225.