CC-P repower question

[rsh19904]

Well got a question for everyone..  

Would a 225HP 4-stroke motor be able to be supported by a CC-P in either the 22' or 25' lengths?  I've heard that a 225 4S should only go on boats over 25' in length? Due to the extra weight on the transom but I know the 22-2 is rated for a 245 max HP and have found a 250 OX66 Yamaha in good shape that weighs less than the 225 4S yamaha I found??  Or could either motor work on the 24-6/250 CC-P??  or either on the 22-2??  

I've got a chance to get my hands on both motors now..the '98 250 is selling for 4K obo and the '02 225 is selling for about 7K with the 250 having 280 hrs and the 225 having about 400 hrs...   The 250 owner wanted to get twin 200's and the 225 owner was told a 25' motor would be able to work on his 20' transom bass boat but he can't get it to work properly so that's why he's selling

Any help is greatly appreciated...

[GoneFission]

Plenty of folks have 250s on 22 foot CCPs; no problem with a 25 footer.  the extra 100 lbs for a 4 stroke is not a big problem - you may want to consider moving the batteries up under the console - something on my list anyway... even with a 2 stroke.  

The only problem I could see is if you keep the rear bait/fishwell full of water all the time and keep the batteries in the back.  The only time I get water up through the drains is when I have 2-3 big guys at one stern corner at the same time - that's 400-500 lbs in one corner.  I don't think a 4 stroke on a CCP has the same impact it has on the other models.  Remember the capacity of the 222 was about 1200 lbs, where the capacity of the 222CCP was 2000 lbs - a big difference!  Also keep in mind that CCPs were designed for twin outboard power - two 120s would weigh more than a single 250, even a 4 stroke.  

So go get the motor you want and put the hammer down!
 

[ddd222]

gone fishin, have to disagree w/ u slightly as much as i hate to. I think the 4 stroke 225 should only go on the 25'ccp. As i've mention before when powering my 222ccp. Didn't look at hondas so i'll refer to yamaha's hopefully accurate in the 4 stroke capacity assuming they had to be close. I went w/ the 250 ox66 yami because it was w/ in 15 lbs of my old evinrude. The 250 hpdi was 560-570lb range, and the 225-250 4 stroke was well over 600 lbs, dry weight and wet i would guess between 630-650lbs. Don't quote me to the pound but from what i gathered there was a big difference between published dry and wet weights for the 4 stroke, regardless of manufacturers. What i'm saying having a 250 efi, the 4 stroke difference could be as much as 150 lbs, but lets split the difference at 125 lbs, no way its only 100 lbs. I agree w/ the moving weight forward, but batteries won't make it that much better. And besides the boat wasting time at the dock being more ass heavy and certainly less self bailing, i think an extra even 100 lbs would change the way the boat planes/cruises. Logically if you even the boat off by moving weight forward the ENTIRE boat will sit lower in the water altogether, never achieving enough lift and a victim of more drag.
      I admit this is a pessimist way of looking at repowering but my 222 sat way ass heavy to begin w/ and i put my 70lb niece on my motor at the dock and didn't like what i see. I also will say that my local bay constables have 3 -22' outrage whalers of 92'-95' vintage where they repowered w/ 225 honda's last spring. They did so successfully but likely w/ major transom, etc. modifications. Hard to say what this guy's repowering, does he have a 22 and 25' ccp?

[John Jones]

I will not comment on the 4 stroke but I wish I had a 250 2 stroke on my 22-2 CCP.  

[RickK]

I wonder what this puppy weighs? Every bit of 6ft tall.

[JimCt]

Yamaha dealer will know the weight.

[rsh19904]

Well guys, I currently have a 20 CCP and its got a 200 w/ 25" shaft on it and does quite well..(max rated for the year)..but I think I saw the 225F Yamaha was about 585 lbs('05) and the 250 was running from 485-495 lbs, and depending on the shaft length...then there's the oil weight.  

My batteries on my current boat are under the console and the weight distribution helps...I also never use the livewell and wish it wasn't where it was at all       So I would say I'm looking at a 150lbs. difference in the two motors ?    

I currently haven't found my "new" boat but am looking at either the 222 or 24-6/250 CCP models..basically from what I gather the 250 Yammi would be a better fit for either boat ?     when I find her   ...have a few leads but still waiting for replies..  Thanks for all the help  

[warthog5]

the 225 owner was told a 25' motor would be able to work on his 20' transom bass boat but he can't get it to work properly

I wonder why? :(  He was told BS.



The only way to get one to work is with a jackplate and that not a good way to do it.

[GoneFission]

All good points, but I think the original question was whether a 250 four stroke would be OK on a 222CCP.  Remember that all CCPs were originally designed for single OR twin power, and there are quite a few 222CCPs out there running twins, and a bunch of 24-6 and 250 models with twins.  

Consider the weight of twins - two OMC or Merc 115/120s - OMC comes in at 340 lbs and the Merc at 360 - each!  That means 720 lbs of engines on the transom for twin Merc 115/120s.     Most 200-250HP four strokes go about 600 lbs - no way a single four stroke is going to go over 700 lbs.  

Also, according to the catalog database, a Yammie 225HP OX66 Saltwater weighs in at 493 lbs.    

If I could choose any engine, I would probably go for a 250 two stroke EFI for my 22-2CCP, most likely Yamaha or Mecury.  But I would not rule out a four stroke - and I think the weights (and maybe prices?) will come down in the next few years.  

My $0.02, and probably worth about that...   See ya on the water!

[warthog5]

RickK you can get a weight on that motor at the NADA boat site.

http://www.nadaguides.com//Values/Value ... mr&type=ob

[rsh19904]

Hey GF,

yeah, that was the original question, weather or not the 225F would work on the back of the 22-2 CCP..at the price the guy wants to sell for, about 6K, I don't know if I could pass up.  Although the 250 owner wanted 4K obo for his and his and it was a 98 while the 225F was an 02...

Does anyone know of a CCP with a 4s motor on it and has pics?  Or if anyone has been on the 222 with a 4s...I know the 250 would probably set it in a fit on a good day.. just trying to get a good reliable combo from both or any combination so I know what to look for..
Guess I'm leaning towards the 222 in case I have to go out by myself and trailer..If I had a slip the 250 would be the ticket

It would be nice to have the 4s economy but I like the punch of the 2s but haven't been on a 4s powered rig to see the diff yet??  Ugh decisions, decisions..

[RickK]

RickK you can get a weight on that motor at the NADA boat site.

http://www.nadaguides.com//Values/Value ... mr&type=ob

Thanks Wart.
http://www.nadaguides.com/Values/ValueOptions.asp?UserID=540A4C60EC1EE&DID=39073&Type=OB&GCode=MR&wPg=1106&wSec=4&Com=0026&Year=1991&Model=17002601520&Letter=Y
496lbs - I would have thought more, as monstrous as it is.  That's still a lot though - my 115 weighs 319lbs.

[RickK]

Guess I'm leaning towards the 222 in case I have to go out by myself and trailer..If I had a slip the 250 would be the ticket

I wouldn't let that scare you away from a 246 or 250 - you have to devise a way to handle it by yourself.  I was worried the first time that I would have a problem with the 230 when I took it out with my wife, I more or less did it all myself.  Not that my wife wasn't any help or couldn't, but the way I did it, she didn't really need to help.  So I wouldn't let that get in your way.

[rsh19904]

RickK,

Ya know, I though my 20 was a HUGE boat when I got it and was gonna be awful at the dock just because of its size..couldn't have been more wrong..
with the trailer its got now and when I put the guides on the sides..all I do is get the trailer wet up to the top of the wheel wells and load her up..and the hand winch(which I swore I'd never have again) is the easiest thing (its a 2 speed version)...
     I saw the 24-6 on e-bay down in TX and looked liked would be a great boat for what I need (I'd like to start going about 15-20 mi. out for bigger fish)..have been out 6-8 in mine now with no issues..  but then again I tell myself, bigger boat, more gas, more expensive to fix..but the 222 is only 2 ft. bigger than mine so its like do I buy my 2nd boat now or skip that and go directly to the 3rd and save some time  
     I've got the places to launch the bigger one and usually go out a couple of times a month during the season when work allows..
     Has/Does anyone out there have a 24-6 or 250 they can give me some feedback on?  Or a 22-2 with a 250 or 225 4S motor ?   Also, if you trailer what size (#) trailer do you have?  I've also got a 04 ram 1500 QC 4x4 with the Hemi and was wondering if that's enought truck to pull a 25'er w/o too much hassle  

Thanks again for all the help, its been great  

[GoneFission]

I tow my 22-2CCP with a 04 Durango Hemi - I haul it several hundred miles with no problems, but you do have to keep in mind that you have about 4,500 lbs back there, and that two extra tons ain't going to start or stop real quick.  Trailer is a 25 foot capacity tandem axle galvanized with disc brakes.

Make sure you have brakes that work on the trailer and I hope your truck has the factory towing package with the bigger radiator and other goodies.  I did put AirLift assist bags in the rear coil springs and run about 10-15 lbs of air in them - just a little extra firmness for the rear (I am running 400+ lbs tongue weight).  I guess we could all probably use a little more firmness in the rear!    

And if you have a bunk trailer and have not tried Glyde Sliks, give them a try!  They really make the on and off smooth!  I used to have a roller trailer, but switched to a bunk model to get the boat closer to the ground and lower when launching.  The only problem with bunks is that sometimes the boat wants to "stick" on the carpet or bunk covering.  No more!  When launching, I just lower the boat down until it stops, get in, crank it up, and back off very easily.  Going back on, I just run the boat up to the eye stop, keep the motor in gear (so it won't slide back down), move up to the front and attach the winch hook, and I'm ready for the pullout.  There are several versions of these, but you can check out Glyde Sliks at:
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog. ... get=browse

See ya on the water!