She's finally home!! Rickk's 230

[RickK]

Glad to hear the paper was in the lid (or was it?)
The video at their site shows using a putty knife and it "falls off" and then blasting the residue off with a pressure washer.  Sounds easy enough (but never is)  Hopefully they didn't sand the hull down first.
Take plenty of pix - maybe you can enlist a "model" to take the paint off while you take pix
Hey, at least you'll be done and probably get an extra 3 mph out of her too.  

[GoneFission]

The nautical term "stay mouse" refers to an antiquated part of a sailing vessel's standing rigging. On all sailing ships built before about the 19th century, the stays were of natural cords. These lines were looped around the top of each section of the wooden masts using a spliced loop or seized loop in their ends. During the 16th century some riggers began to attach stays by splicing or seizing only a small loop into the end of the stay then passing the rope's tail around the mast and back through the small loop, like a slip-knot. To prevent this from slipping tightly around the mast when in use, a strong bulge was built into the standing part of the rope that could not fit through the small loop. This bulge was called a mouse or stay mouse.

See mousing, below, and the rest of the terms as well (excerpts from The Coast Guardsman's Manual):

SECTION 8 - GLOSSARY OF NAUTICAL TERMS

Abaft: behind or farther aft; astern or toward the stern.

Abeam: at right angles to the centerline of and outside a ship.

Accommodation ladder: a portable flight of steps down a ship's side.

Adrift: loose from moorings, or out of place.

All hands: entire ship's company, both officers and enlisted personnel.

Amidships (or midships): in middle portion of ship, along the line of the keel.

Anchor detail: group of ship's personnel who handle ground tackle when the ship is anchoring or getting under way.

Athwart, athwartships: at right angles to the fore and aft or centerline of a ship.

Avast: a command to cease or desist from whatever is being done.

Bail: to dip water out of a boat with a bucket. A hoop or ring; a half hoop or yoke.

Battle lantern: a battery-powered lantern used for emergency lighting.

Bear a hand: speed up the action; lend a helping hand.

Belay: to cancel an order; to stop; to firmly secure a line.

Bend on: to secure one thing to another, as bend a flag onto a halyard.

Bight: middle part of a line as distinguished from the end and the standing part; a single complete turn of line; bend in a river or coastline.

Billet: a crew member's assigned duties within the ship's organization.

Bitt: strong iron post on ship's deck for working or fastening lines; almost invariably in pairs.

Bitter end: the utmost end of a line.

Boat fall: rigging used to hoist or lower ship's boats.

Boat gripe: lashing used at sea to secure a boat hanging from the davits against the strongback and away from the ship's side.

Boat painter: rope attached to the stern ringbolt of a boat; used for securing it. Also a short piece of rope secured to the bow of a boat; used for towing or making fast. Not to be confused with the sea painter, which is a much longer rope.

Boatswain: warrant officer in charge of deck work. Pronounced "bosun".

Boatswain's pipe: small, shrill silver whistle used by boatswain's mate to pass a call or pipe the side.

Bollard: wooden or iron post on a pier or wharf to which mooring lines are secured.

Bow: forward section of a vessel.

Break out: to unstow or prepare for use.

Bridge: raised platform from which ship is steered, navigated, and conned; usually located in forward part of the ship.

Bridle: span of rope or chain with both ends secured.

Broad on the starboard or port beam: bearing 090 degrees or 270 degrees relative to the bow of the ship.

Broad on the starboard or port quarter: bearing 135 degrees or 225 degrees relative to the bow of the ship.

Brow: large gangplank leading from a ship to a pier, wharf, or float; usually equipped with rollers on the bottom and hand rails on the side.

Bulkhead: one of the vertical wall-like structures enclosing a compartment.

Bull nose: a closed chock at the head of the bow on the forecastle deck.

Bulwark: raised plating or woodwork running along the side of a vessel above the weather deck. Helps keep decks dry and prevents crew and gear from being swept overboard.

Camel: large fender float used for keeping vessel off wharf, pier, or quay; usually of one or more logs.

Cargo whip: rope or chain used with a boom for handling cargo. One end has a heavy hook; the other end is rove through a block and taken to the winch. Also, called cargo hoist or cargo rope.

Carry away: to break loose, tear loose, or wash overboard.

Cast off: to throw off; to let go; to unfurl.

Chains: platform or a general area on either side of forward part of a ship where leadsman stands as he or she takes soundings.

Check: to slack off slowly; to stop a vessel's way gradually by a line fastened to some fixed object or to an anchor on the bottom; to ease off a rope a little, especially with a view to reducing the tension; to stop or regulate the motion, as a cable when it is running too fast.

Chock: steel deck member, either oval or U-shaped, through which mooring lines are passed. Usually paired off with bitts.

Clamp down: going over a deck with damp swabs; a lesser form of swabbing down.

Cleat: (1) a small, metal deck fitting with horns; used for securing lines; also called belaying cleat. (2) Short piece of wood nailed to brow of gangplank to give surer footing.

Close abroad: nearby.

Colors: national ensign; distinguishing flag flown by a vessel to indicate her nationality. Also, the ceremonies performed at a naval activity when colors are hoisted at eight o'clock and hauled down at sunset.

Companionway: set of steps or ladders leading from one deck level to another.

Conn: to direct helmsman as to movement of helm, especially when navigating in narrow channels or heavy traffic. (For example, to conn the vessel.)

Coxswain: enlisted man in charge of a boat; acts as helmsman. Pronounced "koksun."

Cradle: a stowage rest for ship's boat.

Davit: shipboard crane that can be swung out over the side; used for hoisting and lowering boats and weights. Often found in pairs.

Dead reckoning: navigator's estimate of ship's position from the course steered and the distance run.

Deck: on a ship corresponds to the floor of a building on land.

Deep: the distance in fathoms between two successive marks on a lead line, as "By the deep, four."

Deep six: slang meaning to dispose of by throwing over the side. Also, when referring to lead line use, a depth of six fathoms of water.

Dip: lowering a flag part way in salute or in answer, and hoisting it again. A flag is "at the dip" when it is flown at about two-thirds the height of the halyards.

Dog: metal fitting used to secure watertight doors, hatch covers, scuttles, etc.

Dogwatch: one of the two-hour watches between 1600 to 2000.

Dolphin: cluster of piles for mooring.

Double up: to increase the number of ship-to-pier turns of a mooring line.

Duty day: a period of duty wherein one section of the ship's in-port watch organization remains onboard for a 24-hour period in order to ensure safety aboard, to operate the ship as may be required, and to maintain it in readiness. The section "having the duty" is called the duty section. One or more watches of varying types may be stood by members of the duty section during the duty day; ship's work may also be assigned to duty section members when off-watch. Most Coast Guard ships operate a four-section duty organization, wherein each section has the duty every four days. A duty organization is also employed aboard most shore units of the Coast Guard.

Ease off: to ease a line; slacken it when taut.

Easy: carefully, gently.

Fairlead: an eye, block, or fitting furnishing a clear lead for a line.

Fairway: in inland waters, an open channel or midchannel.

Fake down: coiling down a line so that each fake of rope overlaps the one underneath and makes the line clear for running.

Fancy work: intricate, symmetrical rope work used for decorative purposes.

Fantail: main deck section in the after part of a flush-deck ship.

Fast: snugly secured; said of a line when it is fastened securely.

Forecastle: upper deck in forward part of the ship. Pronounced "foke'-sul"; abbreviated fo'csle.

Frap: to bind lightly by passing lines around; to draw together the parts of tackle or other combinations of ropes to increase tension.

Galley: the ship's kitchen.

Gangway: opening in the bulwarks of the rail of the ship to give entrance at the head of the gangplank or brow; an order to stand aside and get out of the way.

General quarters: battle stations for all hands.

Gripes: metal fastenings for securing a boat in its cradle; canvas bands fitted with thimbles in their ends and passed from the davit heads over and under the boat for securing for sea.

Handsomely: to ease a line gradually; to execute something deliberately and carefully, but not necessarily slowly.

Head: compartment of a ship having toilet facilities.

Heave 'round: to revolve the drum of a winch or windlass so as to pull in a line or anchor cable.

Heave to: to bring the ship's head into the wind or sea and hold her there by the use of engines and rudder.

Holiday: an imperfection or vacant space in an orderly arrangement; spots in painted work left unfinished.

Hull down: said of a distant vessel when only her stack-tops and mast are visible above the horizon.

Jack: flag similar to the union of the national ensign; flown at the jackstaff when in port; plug for connecting an electrical appliance to a power or phone line.

Jacob's ladder: light ladder made of rope or chain with metal or wooden rungs; used over the side and aloft.

Jury rig: makeshift rig of mast and sail or of other gear, as jury anchor, jury rudder; any makeshift device.

Knife edge: smooth, polished edge of the coaming against which the rubber gaskets of watertight doors and scuttles press when closed; furnishes better watertight integrity.

Knock off: to cease what is being done; to stop work.

Ladder: in a ship, corresponds to stairs in a building.

Lee: direction away from the wind.

Liberty: any authorized absence granted for short periods to provide respite from the work environment or for other specific reasons. Liberty is not chargeable to the member.

Locker: small metal or wooden stowage space; either a chest or closet.

Lucky bag: locker for stowage of personal gear found adrift.

Mark: fathoms in a lead line that are marked.

Marry: placing two lines together, as in hoisting a boat; to sew together temporarily the ends of two lines for rendering through the block.

Mess: to eat; group of crew members eating together; the compartment or location for the dining of a select group aboard ship, such as the CPO mess.

Messenger: light line used for hauling over a heavier rope or cable; for example, the messenger is sent over from the ship to the pier by the heaving line and then used to pull the heavy mooring lines across. Also, an enlisted crew member who runs errands for the OOD.

Monkey fist: a knot, with or without a weight enclosed, worked in the end of a heaving line to form a heavy ball to facilitate throwing the line.

Mousing: small stuff seized across a hook to prevent unhooking.

Oscar: Traditionally, the name given to the dummy employed for ship's "Man overboard" drills; the flag hoisted by a ship to indicate a man/woman overboard.

Overhead: on a ship, equivalent to the ceiling of a building ashore; ships have overheads rather than ceilings.

Pad eye: metal eye permanently secured to deck or bulkhead.

Painter: a line in the bow of a boat for towing or making fast.

Pass the word: to repeat an order or information to all hands.

Pelican hook: hinged hook held in place by a ring; when the ring is knocked off, the hook swings open.

Pelorus: navigational instrument used in taking bearings; consists of two sight vanes mounted on a hoop revolving about a dumb compass or a gyro repeater.

Pollywog: person who has never crossed the line (equator).

Port: left side of the ship facing forward; a harbor; an opening in the ship's side. The usual opening in the ship's side for light and air is also a port. The glass set in a brass frame that fits against it is called a port light.

Quarter: that part of ship's side near the stern.

Quarterdeck: that part of the main (or other) deck reserved for honors and ceremonies and as the station of the OOD in port.

Quarters: living space; assembly of the crew; all hands assembled at established stations for muster, drills, or inspections.

Rack: a sailor's bed.

Rate: grade of official standing of enlisted personnel. A rate identifies an enlisted member by pay grade or level of advancement with a rating; a rate reflects level of aptitude, training, experience, knowledge, skill, and responsibility.

Rating: name given to an enlisted occupational specialty that requires basically related aptitudes, training, experience, knowledge, and skills.

Reeve: to pass the end of a rope through any lead, such as a sheave or fairlead.

Relative bearing: bearing or direction of an object in degrees in relation to the bow of the ship. The bow of the ship is taken as 000 degrees and an imaginary circle is drawn clockwise around the ship; objects are then reported as being along a line of bearing through any degree division of this circle.

Relieving (the watch, the duty, etc.): to take over the duty responsibilities, as when one sentry relieves another. Those who relieve are reliefs.

Scupper: opening in the side of a ship to carry off water.

Scuttle: small opening through hatch, deck, or bulkhead to provide access; similar hole in side or bottom of ship; cover for such an opening; to sink a ship intentionally by boring holes in the bottom or by opening seacocks.

Scuttlebutt: drinking fountain. Also, a rumor, usually of local importance.

Sea lawyer: enlisted member who likes to argue; usually one who thinks the regulations and standing orders can be twisted to favor his or her personal inclinations.

Secure: to make fast; to tie; an order given on completion of a drill, exercise or evolution, meaning to withdraw from the corresponding stations and duties.

Secure for sea: extra prescribed lashings on all movable objects.

Shaft alley: spaces within a ship surrounding the propeller shaft.

Shellback: person who has crossed the equator and been initiated.

Shipshape: neat, orderly.

Shore up: to prop up.

Shot: short length of chain, usually 15 fathoms.

Side boys: non-rated personnel manning the side when visiting senior officers or distinguished visitors come aboard.

Single up: to reduce the number of mooring lines out to a pier preparatory to sailing; that is, to leave only one easily cast off line in each place where mooring lines were doubled up for greater security.

Sound: to measure depth of water by means of a lead line. Also, to measure depth of liquids in oil tanks, voids, blisters, and other compartments or tanks.

Spanner: a tool for coupling hoses.

Spring: mooring line leading at an angle of about 45 degrees off centerline of vessel; to turn a vessel with a line.

Square away: to get things settled down or in order.

Starboard: right side of a ship looking forward.

Steady: order to helmsman to hold ship on course.

Steerageway: slowest speed at which a ship can be steered.

Stem: upright post or bar at most forward part of the bow of a ship or boat. It may be a casting, forging, welding, or made of wood.

Stern: after part of a ship.

Stopper: short length of rope or chain firmly secured at one end; used in securing or checking a running line.

Stow: to put gear in its proper place.

Striker: enlisted member in training for a particular rating.

Swab: a rope or yarn mop.

Tackle: arrangement of ropes and blocks to give mechanical advantage; a purchase, that is, a rig of lines and pulleys to increase available hauling force. Pronounced "take-el".

Taffrail: a rail at the stern of a ship.

Take a turn: to pass a turn around a cleat, bitts, or bollard with a line and hold on.

Taps: lights out for the night.

Toggle: wooden or metal pin slipped into a becket; furnishes a rapid release.

Topping lift: line used for topping a boom and taking its weight.

Topside: above decks.

Trice up: to hitch up or hook up, such as trice up a rack.

Turn to: an order to begin work.

Two-blocked: when two blocks of a tackle have been drawn as closely together as possible.

Veer: to let anchor cable, line, or chain run out by its own weight. Also, when the wind changes direction clockwise or to the right, it is said to veer.

Very well: reply of a senior (or officer) to a junior (or enlisted person) to indicate that information given is understood, or that permission is granted.

Void: empty compartment below decks.

Wardroom: officer's mess and lounge abroad a ship.

Watchcap: knitted wool cap worn in cool or cold weather; canvas cover placed over a stack when not in use.

Watertight integrity: system of keeping ship afloat by maintaining watertightness.

Weather deck: portion of main, forecastle, poop, and upper deck exposed to weather.

Whipping: keeping the ends of a rope from unlaying, by wrapping with turns of twine and tucking the ends.

[RickK]

Thanks for the info - another thing for the "Resource" section. This way we can all talk like we're really "nautical types"  

[John Jones]

Yeah, I believe their advertising like I believe the male enhancement commercials on TV.

The paper is folded up in the top with a heavy membrane between it and the stripper.

I made some before and during pics so far.  I'll try to edit this post and add them after while.

I can tell you this, it's still a bitch.   :cry:

I started a thread here:
http://www.classicaquasport.com/forum/v ... php?t=1594

[RickK]

I took the 230 out today for the 2nd time with my wife, and besides being crazy at the ramp (lots of people had the day off too), was a nice few hours out.
I realized today that I might have a problem with the carbs or something with the fuel system in general.  Many posts ago, in this thread, I posted about flooding the engine on the first outing - well today I realized that it isn't me.  After running it for a while and then shutting it down - after about 5-10 minutes, it is flooded, by itself.  If I start it up within a few minutes, it's ok.  If I let it sit a long while,it will start normally ( I remember drifting for an hour or so and it started right away).  It's after a few minutes (5-10) that it starts to act up and then I have to do the "floor-it" start and then it starts. Weird but reproducible - so I gotta take it in.
I started to check in the factory service manual I bought for this motor and when I opened it the 2nd page showed a 4 wheeler - and the manual was for the 4 wheeler not the outboard   . Just the outer cover was for the outboard.  I emailed them and they are sending the correct "whole" manual to me.

[John Jones]

sticky float in one of the carbs.

That sucks on the manual.

[RickK]

I've been on vacation since the 21st and it's time to head back to work <!-- s:cry: -->:cry:<!-- s:cry: -->
Steve stopped by last Wednesday with this "wad" of Sunbrella.  I helped him drape it over the boat and then sat back in a chair on the front lawn to watch him create his masterpeice.
First he got it in place and then climbed under it and stuck 4 poles through pre-reinforced and ringed holes. The poles are for water shed and from what I've seen today, it works great. From there, he tugged and stapled and marked and cut and....








Then he took it all away and came back Friday and this is what the end result looks like.


This cover is incredible.  The corners are tailored and padded, they don't just lay on the corners, you have to pull them into place. Everywhere that the cover touches something on the boat it is reinforced.  The pulpit is custom and padded too. To finish it off, there is a 1/4" nylon rope in the hem and stretch ties all around. Now I know why he wanted double what I could find a pre-fabbed one for. The guy is an artist to say the least.
He is bringing "duffels" to hold the vinyl and screens next week and in a few months we'll have him make a few more screens.
Overall, a very nice product and I would recommend him to anyone.

[RickK]

I started talking about this in JJs thread and it's time to bring it here where it belongs - I mentioned earlier they had said that in warmer climates you might not need the paper with the Peel away. Well, you might not get the paint off either.
1) I don't think I put it on thick enough - this was the first attempt
2) the spot you see that is missing paint is from me scraping with the putty knife.
Before:


After:


Nada!!

To continue:
I put it on real thick the second time, used the paper and left it on for 48 hours and the only thing that I could "peel away" was the paper 
The paint was soft, just wasn't going to come off as easy as they show in the video. I spent about an hour scraping on the back and got it almost down to the gelcoat. This ain't gonna be easy.
The gallon doesn't supply much paper with it and they say that it is enough to cover what the gallon will "cover" - first indication that I don't have it on thick enough still.  Don't know how you would put it on any thicker and have it stay on the boat until it is covered.  I had it on thick enough to see finger lines in it through the paper. I'm guessing 1/16-1/8" thick?


I started in the back and then worked up the sides - the starboard side I went until I ran out of paper.  The port side I went to the front but not all the way down to the keel.  This pic shows the paper coverage and also where I started to remove some of the stuff after 48 hours.  I removed the stripe on the port rear too, since the bottom paint was almost covering it anyway.


These are after I scraped all the paint off the port side, rear and from the stern of the boat.






I know that it looks like the paint is still there but it isn't, just a thin residue.  Maybe I have to recoat it?

[JimCt]

If you're repainting, what you have should be fine.  Progress looks good, canvas cover looks great!

[RickK]

If you're repainting, what you have should be fine.  Progress looks good, canvas cover looks great!

I was hoping that I would be able to go with no paint, just gelcoat again.  Don't know if this is going to be an option or not now that I see the results.  After this rain ends and I can get at it with a p-washer (probably this weekend), I'll decide if it is worth persuing or getting it done by someone else. One thing for sure, the stuff will have plenty of time to work. By the time I get home at night there isn't much light left.
I don't want to burn a lot of time on it if I'm going to have to have someone else do it after-all, anyway.

[John Jones]

The canvas guy sounds like a real pro.

I HATE BOTTOM PAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JimCt]

Going to "bare bottom" after having paint likely will require compounding.  Paint pigments leach into gelcoat to some degree.  Compounding will remove the pigment but you have to be on your toes not to burn through to the glass.  Try a test spot by hand with a dab of compound on a rag.  If you can remove all traces of blue without taking off much gelcoat you should be in good shape.

[JimCt]

How's the bottom coming along?  Just a thought but after you use the Peel-Away maybe a romp on the water with her will help rinse off the stripper and any loose residue.  Also an opportunity to run with the new canvas.

[RickK]

I got a chance to work some more Wednesday eve for an hour or so and got about 6'x2' more scraped - Either I didn't put it on thick enough or this stuff doesn't work too good.  Some places I can force a thin putty knife under the paint and peel it off (with a lot of force) and some places it is like chisel quality, even though it seems that the goop is still damp on it.  I'm going to scrape/peel the rest of what I put on last weekend off tomorrow (4'x2' and 10"x8') and then try to p-wash the "blue" off.  

I'm looking for a better way though - this is rough - and I don't know how to get it on any thicker.  I searched the yellow pages for soda blasting to no avail (I found a complete setup for sale on-line ) - not really too sure what to search on, besides marinas. I found a marina with 6500lbs p-washing  .  I found a lot of "sandblasters" but none said anything about marine. Jim, how'd you find your guy?

JJ, I haven't ordered more paper or stuff yet.  Waiting on what it looks like tomorrow - if I survive, since most of it is drying out.

[John Jones]

Told you it was no magic bullet.  Somewhere on this forum, just after I signed on, someone posted info about a Capt. somebody in St Pete that did soda blasting.  I'll let you search.     I thought I saved it but I haven't found it yet.  I'll look some more on my HDD.

No problem on the paper order.  I'm in no rush.  It might be another year before I crawl under the boat again...