87 222 Rebuild

[Capt. Bob]

How well does the glass adhere to the stringer extensions. Did you do anything to the surface like what is done when applying new glass over old (roughing up the surface) to increase the mechanical bond?

Everything looks great.

[Hooked-On-Shenanigans]

Capt Bob, The glass sticks pretty well to those tops.  Initially when i put it down it wanted to pull off on the sides a bit.  I went back over everything with the Detail roller and it lays down nicely once it starts tacking up.

[Hooked-On-Shenanigans]

Capt Bob, I forgot to add to your question, I did a very brief scuff over the tops with a heavy duty brillow pad i had handy nearby.  Everything is rock solid now. I did wipe both sides and tops with denatured alcohol. The 3:1 epoxy blushes pretty good so i made sure to go over the entire stringers multiple times with hot soapy water once the epoxy cured. 

I also think its worth drilling a few holes  in the tops and fill  the voids with foam. That extra space filled in makes them rock solid vs leaving them filled with air 


I can’t wait to get the deck down. After that, everything will start flying by. The hardest parts of the project are over in my view.

[Hooked-On-Shenanigans]

Cutting out the floor panels 3/4" honeycomb panels:





4 panels total. I have a 5th panel for the very front near the bow (where the casting deck would be) this is going to be a single level deck. I didn't want to glass the 5th panel together at this stage in case there are any hiccups when i go to glue the deck down, will just require a bit more fairing once its glued down and seam taped. (it's really tricky getting perfect measurements near the bow). 



2 layers of 1808 on the topside and one layer 1808 on the bottom.









I still got 9 gallons of epoxy left as well so I should be able to knock out the rest of the project with that! 





I'm getting a custom tank made as the original tank failed a pressure test ( I didn't want to use it anyways too risky for me). I'm thinking around 55 gallons. Feel free to chime in on this as i'm open to recommendations on tank sizes,etc.

The biggest thing i'm looking into now is the tank placement. I know people move them forward, it's just a matter of how much to counter the weight of the motor being on a bracket.

[Enginerd]

good stuff!

[RickK]

The original tank was 70 gals and it looked like in the pics that the tank well ended about 12-15" from the transom. Did you get measurements of where the tank well sat in the boat? Do you still have the old tank, maybe that would help figure it out. I would think moving it forward about a foot would balance out the lever effect of the bracketed motor. Mshuggs did the same thing on his CCP, so he probably has the math figured out.

[mshugg]

The original tank was 70 gals and it looked like in the pics that the tank well ended about 12-15" from the transom. Did you get measurements of where the tank well sat in the boat? Do you still have the old tank, maybe that would help figure it out. I would think moving it forward about a foot would balance out the lever effect of the bracketed motor. Mshuggs did the same thing on his CCP, so he probably has the math figured out.

Yeah, I shortened my tank 16" to allow for a 58Gal capacity and located it 4" further forward than original.  That had the net effect of moving the tank's CG 12" further forward.  I also relocated my batteries to the console. With a Mere 150 4S on an Armstrong bracket, the boat sits well with no scupper issues.  There is a slight porpoise at speed, but tabs knock it out and I expect that the extra weight of my coffin box will eliminate that.

[Hooked-On-Shenanigans]

Rick, I scrapped the old tank last week and I didn't take measurements of it. My plan is to go with a smaller tank so I didn't really think of doing that, I should have anyways). Also I did not take measurements of the tank compartment when i first got the boat.

mshugg, I think thats what I'm going to go with somewhere between 50-60 gals. Do you have the measurements of the distance from transom to the tank coffin bulkheads? Also im trying to determine the console placement distances, it's harder with a single level deck ( cant use the casting deck as a reference)

[mshugg]

mshugg, I think thats what I'm going to go with somewhere between 50-60 gals. Do you have the measurements of the distance from transom to the tank coffin bulkheads? Also im trying to determine the console placement distances, it's harder with a single level deck ( cant use the casting deck as a reference)

I can get you those dimensions Sunday, but my boat is a 200CCP, so yours are likely different.  Maybe someone with a 222 can give you the console location.  Placing the forward bulkhead for the tank at the front of the console is probably a good estimate.

[Hooked-On-Shenanigans]

Just wanted to give an update. Bulkheads are tabbed in and am awaiting delivery of my new fuel tank. 60x22x9 came out to around 50 gallons. Anyone have a method for attaching their deck? Not so much the epoxy or materials but more so the method? I was thinking have a few boards across the cap with some eye bolts in the deck lowered down slowly with rope.

[Ulysses485]

mshugg, I think thats what I'm going to go with somewhere between 50-60 gals. Do you have the measurements of the distance from transom to the tank coffin bulkheads? Also im trying to determine the console placement distances, it's harder with a single level deck ( cant use the casting deck as a reference)

I can get you those dimensions Sunday, but my boat is a 200CCP, so yours are likely different.  Maybe someone with a 222 can give you the console location.  Placing the forward bulkhead for the tank at the front of the console is probably a good estimate.

As an owner of an 81 222 Osprey with a 70 gallon that i just pulled (88.5''x 22.5'' x 8'' (LxWxH)), i think i might be of help for these dimensions. See attached.

The front of the tank coffin box is about 125.25'' from the front of the boat and the back is about 43'' from the inside of the transom leaving a box that is 91.5'' long. You can see some photos in my post that might help with perspective of what i am looking at.  It was dark outside but will gladly take any dimensions you might need of where the original placement of the console was. Also, the 43'' dimension at the back is at deck level.

Hope that helps. Looking forward to seeing some progress! :)

Ulysses

[Hooked-On-Shenanigans]

Ulysses thank you for those numbers! The console numbers would definitely help, i'm in the dark on those numbers. As for my tank, I have the coffin box approx. 62" leaving an inch on each side of the bulkhead. As of now, I have my aft tank coffin bulkhead about 100" from the transom. I am concerned that is not enough and will leave way too much weight forward, maybe i'm wrong on that one?

[Ulysses485]

Ulysses thank you for those numbers! The console numbers would definitely help, i'm in the dark on those numbers. As for my tank, I have the coffin box approx. 62" leaving an inch on each side of the bulkhead. As of now, I have my aft tank coffin bulkhead about 100" from the transom. I am concerned that is not enough and will leave way too much weight forward, maybe i'm wrong on that one?

Absolutely! Glad I can help. I’ll put a better drawing together showing the dimensions to include the center console.

[Tampa Bay Mike]

Here is how I placed everything in my boat. Each line is approx one foot. I have a 55 gal tank that is right at five ft long and it is 8 ft from the transom. I have a small hatch under the console where I can access the fill hose and sending unit, even though I don't use it because I have a C-10 gauge. It is well balanced and runs great.

[Hooked-On-Shenanigans]

Mike, I like that layout on your build. Mine is going to have the flat deck all the way to the front, so casting deck eliminated. My idea for this was to keep it in line with some of the modern boats you see now (a little easier to move around and less of a tripping hazard). Also with the deck being raised so much, you have much less free board up there.

MY plan was to have a bilge hatch a hatch for compartment just forward of the bilge , and 2 compartments on the side near the console with one large front hatch. Possibly an insulated cooler either fore or aft.

Seems like the sweet spot for the tank placement is around 8ft.  (90-110)" are some numbers recommended to me. I am leaning more towards 8ft and can always counter the weight with batteries, trim tabs.