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August 28, 2018, 07:55:57 AM
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Marcel4t

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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #105 on: August 28, 2018, 07:55:57 AM »
Posted Part 6 of my build.  Not a lot of building content, but I do ask the question "Why do we like to fix old stuff?"  Hope you all enjoy, I have been enjoying making these.  I give a shot out to you all as well..thank you guys for making this process so much more enjoyable!!

https://youtu.be/qHdbPDWmZKQ
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August 28, 2018, 10:14:59 AM
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Tampa Bay Mike

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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #106 on: August 28, 2018, 10:14:59 AM »
Great vid, I loved the Dumb and Dumber reference!

August 28, 2018, 06:34:17 PM
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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #107 on: August 28, 2018, 06:34:17 PM »
Hey Marcel - do you weigh the cloth and then mix enough resin to cover the cloth?
Rick
1971 "170" with 115 Johnson (It's usable but not 100% finished)

1992 230 Explorer with 250 Yamaha

August 28, 2018, 06:35:55 PM
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Marcel4t

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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #108 on: August 28, 2018, 06:35:55 PM »
No I do not, didn't even know that was a thing.  Do you think I may have used to little or to much epoxy?
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August 29, 2018, 05:45:57 PM
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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #109 on: August 29, 2018, 05:45:57 PM »
Callyb shared this with me to save resin and to give you an idea of how much to mix.
I bought a digital postal scale for this. I cut all the cloth for the area working and fold up so you can put it on the scale to weigh - see the math in this pic. Scroll down to reply 702.
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=10101.690



The cloth weighed 3 lbs, 1.3 oz so you convert to ounces.  I added another 8 oz or so to total 56 oz.  You divide by three and come up with the amount of resin in ounces.
Rick
1971 "170" with 115 Johnson (It's usable but not 100% finished)

1992 230 Explorer with 250 Yamaha

August 29, 2018, 08:07:18 PM
Reply #110

Marcel4t

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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #110 on: August 29, 2018, 08:07:18 PM »
You learn something new everyday!  Thank you, I will look into getting a scale
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August 29, 2018, 08:58:16 PM
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« Reply #111 on: August 29, 2018, 08:58:16 PM »
Only caution with this is, larger batches kick faster and give you less working time.  Things are far more relaxed if you mix 3) 16oz batches than if you mix a single 48 oz batch.

August 30, 2018, 07:10:16 AM
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RickK

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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #112 on: August 30, 2018, 07:10:16 AM »
Yup, you need to get the resin out of the bucket quickly.
Rick
1971 "170" with 115 Johnson (It's usable but not 100% finished)

1992 230 Explorer with 250 Yamaha

August 30, 2018, 09:39:54 AM
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Marcel4t

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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #113 on: August 30, 2018, 09:39:54 AM »
So on a totally different note, I am considering where to put my live well.  Being that I want to keep the viewing windows in the hull, which doesnt allow me to put the gas tank further forward, I was considering putting my live well in front of my center console.  There is already a seat there, and I could raise it up, put a well in there, and people could still sit on top of it.  And when I use a cast net from front of boat, its a closer walk to dump bait in the well too. 
Any thoughts on this idea?  Something like this:
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August 30, 2018, 11:20:56 AM
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« Reply #114 on: August 30, 2018, 11:20:56 AM »
It totally depends on how important live bait fishing is to you and what kinds of baits you use.  Some baits are  hardy  like shrimp, crabs and pinkish.  Some are fragile, like menhaden.  How many baits will you need to carry.  For example, will you do any live chumming? 

The further forward that you locate your livewell, your bait will receive a rougher ride.  That’s why so many boats have the livewell in the transom.  It’s easier on the bait.  Of course, it’s a lot of weight aft for an older boat design.  Depending on size, a livewell in the console seat should be ok for shrimp, crabs pinfish ar a few dozen finger mullet, but less so for fragile baits or large quantities.  If keeping a lot of fragile baits alive is important, the leaning post is a good compromise for older boats.

August 30, 2018, 11:28:43 AM
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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #115 on: August 30, 2018, 11:28:43 AM »
How big of a well were you thinking about? I wouldn't imagine that you could get a very big one up there and still sit on it without blocking the driver's view. Also, how many batteries are you going with and where will they be located? I am only planning in using a 24 gal livewell which when full would be about 200 lbs, (Give or take 8lbs/gal) and glassing it into the transom. With the batteries being almost 50 lbs each, I figured I could put them further forward to offset that weight. Plus, you don't always have the well full but you will always have the batteries on board.

August 30, 2018, 08:13:51 PM
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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #116 on: August 30, 2018, 08:13:51 PM »
I like using larger baits, like Google eyes and blue runners when I drift for sails, kinds, mahi and wahoo.  So, I will need a decent sized well.  Didnt think about being blocked by someone sitting on a tall well. 
Guess I'll do a baitwell/leaning post that seems to be popular.
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September 03, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #117 on: September 03, 2018, 02:20:53 PM »
 You'll probably want about a 40 gallon well then.

September 18, 2018, 04:00:24 PM
Reply #118

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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #118 on: September 18, 2018, 04:00:24 PM »
Thank you for advice on live well.
Another question fellas!  I want to raise the floor up a couple inches from stock, yet it seems like this floor may possibly have been risen already.  I just want to make sure.  If you notice in the first picture, someone capped the stringers with wood and then glassed over.  Was the original floor sitting directly on top of the stringers or was there bedding compound that lifted it up 3/4"?  On the sides where the floor meets the liner, it seems like that is the stock place where the floor meets it.
   


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September 18, 2018, 07:18:47 PM
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Re: 71 22-2 Flatback Re-build Watch and Comment Please
« Reply #119 on: September 18, 2018, 07:18:47 PM »
Now that you know what a rebuilt area looks like, did you see anything that made you think the hull had been rebuilt before? The liner appears to still be original.
I don't have a FB but I do have a '71 170 and there was a good layer of bonding putty on top of the stringers - 3/4" probably easily (I had replaced the floor 10 years or so years before this total rebuild).
Now we have seen wood in some weird places and what we thought might have been Friday afternoon hulls.  It's possible that they lam'd in some wood to attach the console and maybe a t-top - hard to know.  The wood looks to be in good shape. Is there evidence of screw holes in it and where is the wood in relation to the console location?
Rick
1971 "170" with 115 Johnson (It's usable but not 100% finished)

1992 230 Explorer with 250 Yamaha

 


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