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May 12, 2015, 08:55:20 AM
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CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
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I bought a set of tabs new-in-box from a guy three years ago.    After installing they have worked reliably.   This year I'm commissioning the boat and I hit the switch and no solenoid click, no HPU motor.

I confirmed 12v at the switch - fuse and connection are good.

Battery will start the Evinrude 175 so I assume it's got enough for the tabs.

Checked and cleaned the ground to the HPU motor.  Confirmed -12v there.

I cut off the connector plug at the HPU and butt-connectored the wires there.  All good clean connections.

I confirmed on each wire that there was +12v when the switch was pressed - all 4 directions.

There is no sound from the solenoids or HPU motor when I hit any switch in any direction.


What do I do now?  Buy a new HPU?



--Kevin

May 12, 2015, 10:09:04 AM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2015, 10:09:04 AM »
It appears you have troubleshot the system correctly.

http://www.bennetttrimtabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/trimtab_troubleshooting.pdf


The next thing I would suggest is call Bennett and talk to their tech guy. He/she may have something else you can try or....

Confirm a dead HPU.

They may also help you out with this (warranty). They are known for their backing of their product almost to a fault.

Call them. (954-427-1400).

EDIT:
I spoke with their tech (Mike) and he stated a couple/three things.

1. The construction of the HPU is such that the entire system (four components) would need to have failed (double wound motor and two solenoids).

2. Re-check the ground at the back of the unit itself.

3. Remove the unit and bench check with a different battery.

Lastly, as indicated above, they will stand behind the unit and replace.

Again, call (if required) and good luck.
 
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May 12, 2015, 10:25:33 AM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2015, 10:25:33 AM »
Thanks for that contact info.  I'll call them.


-Kevin

May 12, 2015, 10:30:08 AM
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2015, 10:30:08 AM »
Great.

I modified my last post to reflect my conversation with them.
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May 12, 2015, 03:39:32 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2015, 03:39:32 PM »
Man you guys are good!

Mike is right on target in stating that it is pretty unlikely for the motor and solenoids to fail all at once.

Here is a link to a video that covers the system and basic troubleshooting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E1kp7gPtz8
And here is a link that covers no noise from the HPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nejuAV1rc


Below is a more thorough troubleshooting guide.
The first thing to do is try step 3 right at the pump, in fact I will often just put power on the yellow wire with the pump grounded (this is pump motor reverse) and see if I can hear the motor spin.

Let us know what you find and we will be sure to take care of it for you.

Tom McGow
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Fluid: Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) any type. Hydraulic Power Unit is self bleeding, running the Trim Tabs up and down 3-4 times will purge air from the system.

Fuse: 12 volt system use 20 amp in-line fuse on positive. (24v & 32v use proportionately smaller)

Red= Port Valve
Green= Starboard Valve
Blue=Motor Forward (pump pressure)
Yellow= Motor Reverse (pump retract)
Black on HPU=Ground
Orange on Helm=Control Positive

Troubleshooting

1.If one side is not operating reverse hydraulic lines on the front of the Hydraulic Power Unit to determine if the malfunction is in HPU or actuator / hydraulic lines. If after reversing the lines symptom shifts to the other side the malfunction may exist in HPU. If the symptom remains on the same side, malfunction may exist with the actuator / hydraulic lines

2. Is the unit receiving a solid 12 volts? Low voltage will some times cause the solenoids to not open preventing the tabs from moving even though the pump motor is running.

3. Conduct the following test:
Remove the wires from the helm control and touch together as follows:
Operation=Reaction
Orange (+), blue, red= Port trim tab down
Orange (+), blue, green=Starboard trim tab down
Orange (+), blue, red, green= Both trim tabs down
Orange (+), yellow, red= Port trim tab up
Orange (+), yellow, green=Starboard trim tab up
Orange (+), yellow, red, green= Both trim tabs up

If the trim tabs function correctly for each wire grouping then the switch is at fault. Also note that any loose or missing screws on the back of the switch (whether a wire is connected there or not) can cause the pump to malfunction.

This test may also be done right at the pump by substituting a "hot lead" for orange. There is usually a connector to the wire harness within a foot or so of the pump. You want to check this connection for corrosion. You may wish to cut the connector off on the pump side and try the test on bare wires.

4. If you suspect corrosion on the wire connector near the pump, cut it out, test as above and reconnect using butt splices.

5. If you conclude the problem is in the pump, contact me. Bennett Trim Tab Systems carry a five year warranty.

6. Check to see if there is a relay in line on the wiring harness near the hydraulic power unit. If there is it is an Interrupter Relay (IR1000). It prevents the system fuse from blowing if you try to actuate one trim tab up and the other down at the same time. After you test as outlined above, try removing the relay from the wiring harness and retest the unit.(Note: the interrupter relay is no longer used in current Bennett Trim Tab systems and has been replaced with a Switches that "lock out" preventing a blown fuse).



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May 12, 2015, 04:14:33 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015, 04:14:33 PM »
Thanks Tom! :salut:
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May 12, 2015, 05:27:12 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 05:27:12 PM »
Thanks for checking in on us Tom  :salut:
Rick
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May 12, 2015, 05:52:33 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2015, 05:52:33 PM »
I gotta come by more often I always liked this forum and I did own an Aquasport for a while!

Tom


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May 12, 2015, 06:29:51 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2015, 06:29:51 PM »
Always good to see you here - you've always taken good care of our members  :salut2:
So how do you like the organization of the site now?  Should be much easier to find tab related stuff now than before when everything landed in "Engines" or "Discussion".
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May 12, 2015, 06:40:13 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2015, 06:40:13 PM »
The site looks great and I have bookmarked this section and will make sure to stop by more often and know that a quick look at this section should let me see any Trim Tab questions.

Also if anyone is in need of immediate help after hours or on the weekend you can contact me at Tabmanhelp@gmail.com

I gotta take care of my Aquasport guys!

Oh yeah, a little shameless promotion; Do you guys know Bennett now makes Electric Trim Tabs?

Tom
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May 12, 2015, 08:36:33 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2015, 08:36:33 PM »
Electric tabs. Keeping up with the competition. :great02:

On another note, how are you feeling? You type well. :mrgreen:

In any case, for our newer members, Tom aka Tabman has been a member here since February 2005. That's Charter Member status and as such, we appreciate the help he has given the Forum members over the years.

Good hearing from you again. :salut:
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May 12, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2015, 08:57:19 PM »
Thanks Capt Bob,

It took a while but it's almost two years later now, I am 100% recovered and doing great!  My spelling is just as lousy as ever, but I love participating on the forums.

Tom



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May 12, 2015, 10:27:59 PM
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Re: CCP200 Bennett Trim Tabs - no motor or solenoid
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2015, 10:27:59 PM »
My spelling is just as lousy as ever, but I love participating on the forums.
Tom

That,s the uniqueness of the Internet.

Spellign doesn't count. :oops:

That stated,
It's good to see you back in the game.

Enjoy. :back2topic:
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