I do not understand?

[Aquasport Commodore]

Capt Bob,
I can not respond to you on that thread due to you locking it. I can not even edit what I typed as well so I had to start this thread. I am not trying to be argumentative and just trying to understand.

When you go to the board index, under the Chum link it states the following:

Fish tails, rants, raves, comments, editorials, OT humor, whatever...

Now I went to the rules and it states this by Rick dated 09-30-2011 (post 2 of the below link)
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8123

The beauty of this site is that there are few rules and the ones that exist are unwritten (until now) and you knew them before you signed up because they're common sense:
1) Treat a fellow member as you would like to be treated
2) Don't offend another member with foul language or materials
3) We don't come into your living room unwelcomed advertising our site so don't come in here blatanty advertising your products. There is a Vendor forum for this now.
Edit by Rickk to add #4:
4) Don't use the forum to vent a bad experience with a vendor and smear their name all over the web without posting just the facts - no heresay. We should/will offer the vendor an opportunity to respond here to defend themselves. If they don't, it speaks for itself.
Edit by Rickk to add #5:
5) No Politics - someone will get offended by this, no way around it.

That's pretty much it - pretty simple.

It's ok to post something that you found and think is ok - we've all done that. That is not #3 because it's not your product and hopefully you're not sponsored by that company to do so.

Where the fine line becomes fuzzy and is not so easy to explain is when a member starts to bash a product/service based on opinion or incomplete facts - kind of goes back to rule #1 (which your parents hopefully taught you). We hate to see a person or business's reputation dragged through the mud for no reason.

It's very easy to click a link in your favorites and go somewhere else if you feel like venting, bashing or want to beat your chest in the ciberworld trying to draw out another combatant so you can feel better about yourself when finished. In fact we encourage a person to do that (see rules 1 and 2) and then once they feel better, come back here and relax.

Anything goes in the world of PM though, unless members start complaining about someone taking advantage of #3 via PM.

If these "rules" are wrong, let's discuss them - I didn't make them, they're common sense. This site has operated quite nicely for all these years without much interference from people like me that spend more time lately screening applicants than participating.

Now this is your reply to me

AC,
While this is a current event talking point in this Country, it probably isn't in the best interest of this Forum's venue.

While we try and extend some "wiggle room" in allowing posts, we have to establish some protocol on content. Politics, religion, and at this time, law enforcement are polarizing topics of discussion and need to be vetted but this Forum is not designed around those discussions. We are first and foremost, a site dedicated to the understanding, preservation and ownership of a niche boating genre and as such, are better served leaving the above to other Forums which are built around these topics.

While some may view this as censorship, I maintain it has been and still remains this Forum's base policy and as such, I'm locking this thread down. I will allow it to be viewed (with this disclaimer) by Forum members today and ask that you remove it tomorrow.

Thank you.

You are correct that Law Enforcement is a polarizing topic as it always has, however my post was not of Politics but of what LEO's do everyday and the dangers they face. It just puts thing's in peoples views and does not go with Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea Party, or any other party. Nor does it tell, ask, advise or what have you not of how to vote. It was just remember that LEO's are out there every day and night to help keeping everyone safe and to what dangers they face.

I am sorry if you took offense to it as that was not my intention, nor do I think I violated the rules that are posted on this site and what could be a twist/perversion and a long stretch of the #5 rule of politics as that was not mentioned, implied, or suggested. So if you feel the need to remove the topic, that is your decision. I feel that it would fit within the Chum topic as what is the meaning of the topic.

[Capt. Bob]

You know I been told that when I have to explain what I wrote, I never should have written it to begin with and that said, I did indeed try and explain my actions.

I stated my reasons and I believe they are clear. This Forum is about old boats and not politics, religion or beliefs (other than whether 4 stroke engines are more environmentally correct than 2 stroke).

It's quite clear to me that when this country sees unrest similar to the 60s civil rights movement and the Vietnam war, then standard everyday law enforcement (as shown in the video) moves from work to politics. Paint it any way you want but it is what it is and again that is not the basis of this Forum. The comments below the video clearly show this and again, the link content does not IMHO reflect why people come to this Forum.

The internet hosts (to quote SB4) a plethora of Forums that one can visit to read, write, discuss ,argue and generally act like lower forms of life on the evolutionary scale concerning just about anything a human mind can create. These are the Forums I visit when I want something other than the mundane discussion of fiberglass boats made in Florida 40 years ago. I come here for that and go elsewhere to watch one man execute another.

That's why I locked the post (just like I first stated earlier today). If that is unsettling to you, then there is a great big internet out there you can post this to.

Enough said.

[seabob4]

Well, since I was mentioned in this thread...

I watched the vid Kevin posted several times...very disturbing, very real.  The perpetrators were a mixed bag of different races, so the race card, IMO, doesn't apply here.  The violence against the various police personnel DOES apply here...and it's becoming more commonplace everyday.  I think that's what Kevin, and the posting of this video, tried to say and show.  Keep in mind, people don't call the police department to have them over for tea and tell them what a fine job they are doing.  They call them when there is trouble, SERIOUS trouble, that those same people know they can't handle themselves.  So just by the nature of the profession, cops are pretty much always put in a fairly perilous position, day in, day out.

The internet, dashcams, bodycams, go-pros, and all the other wonderful "gadgets" that are available to society have put an unheard of (up until this point) scrutiny on the LEOs that, for the most part, puts them in a situation where they have to be on their very best behavior, for if not, they are crucified on the web from one corner of the world to the other.  That scenario would make each and every one of our lives very difficult to lead...but they have an even further disadvantage, the rush of adrenaline that comes with any dangerous situation.  The emotions that flow that sometimes can make us do things we would rather not do.  So how do you keep that natural human emotion in check...for the cameras?

Kevin called me tonight, he was talking from his cruiser, on patrol in Port Charlotte.  While we were talking, a call came in from dispatch, and Kevin just started saying, "Oh my God! Oh my God!  Oh, my God!".  The call was for a teenage (14 years old) suicide.  Not in Kevin's area, but none the less.  These types of things, many LEOs deal with every day.  Imagine our lives if we had to do the same...and maintain our composure...and do all the right things on 3, 4, or 5 cameras, as well as audio.

So in my opinion, CB, leave Kevin's post up, let us grown men view it, discuss it, even say it has no place here.  But let US make that decision.  

Thank you.

[RickK]

This topic can go either way in a flash and I think that is what CB was trying to prevent.
The question is "What reaction did Kevin want from the post, why did he post this in the first place?"
So let's say that someone who has had some bad experiences with law enforcement read Kevin's thread, watched the video and then posted a video that had the opposite slant to it - people allegedly being victimized by LEOs, in other words showing what the public has been watching for months recently.  And then somehow Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson (we have our own versions of those two guys here as members already) showed up in the thread to show support and before you know it this meaningless, innocent thread took on a totally different face than was intended.  That is the stuff we don't need here.  This is, as CB said, a site dedicated to Aquasports.  If you want to read and get involved in conversations about touchy subjects there are a few sites around that would love this topic to be posted because they have members just waiting to pounce on anyone with a differing POV or they just love conflict, or they need a juicy topic to get someone to post anything at all.

My brother in law and neice's husband are both LEOs in the Tampa area and I spent 6 days on a cruise with them and all my family over Thanksgiving.  I talked for many hours with them and heard their stories (and when you get a couple LEOs together the stories can go for hours) and finally I asked what their opinions were of what the media was hyping on tv about Ferguson and others and I'm not sure I ever got an answer from them.  I am a big boy and can make up my mind as to who, what, why, how everything took place in the mentioned cities and also who was to blame IMO.  Fortunately we don't need this type of topic here to sway people away from why they came here in the first place - to get or give help on Aquasports.

[Capt. Bob]

Well, since I was mentioned in this thread...

That was to give you credit for while not being the first but rather the most famous member, to use the noun. 8)

So in my opinion, CB, leave Kevin's post up, let us grown men view it, discuss it, even say it has no place here.  But let US make that decision.

Using that line of reasoning, I should start posting all my many porn site links here and let the four winds blow.  :|

[seabob4]

Flattery, nor sarcasm, will get you no where, CB...

So given this "dialogue", the question comes to mind...why have the "Chum" sub-forum at all?  As stated in the description of the sub-forum, Fish tails, rants, raves, comments, editorials, OT humor, whatever.., of which Kevin's post, IMO, fits in just fine under the term "editorial".  Note the sub-forum description does NOT say "Fish tails (about Aquasports), rants (about Aquaspsorts), raves (about Aquasports), comments (about Aquasports)...", you get my drift.  So the argument that "people come here to discuss Aquasports and don't want to see this type of thing" simply doesn't wash, based on the existence of the Chum sub-forum.

A great deal of my friends on Facebook, where you see this type of post all the time, lean much further to the right politically than I do.  These are REAL friends (not people who just "friended" me), most I have known 30+ years, some even back to elementary school.  Because of their political views, I get notifications all the time that "don't agree" with my political views.  So what?  I simply don't pay any attention to them.  Easy peasy.  No problem.  And no anger, just making decisions about what I read and don't read...like an adult.  I don't need, and I'm certain all the members here, don't need any one telling them, deciding for them, what they want to read and what they want to ignore.

If any member here might become irked, peeved, even incensed, by what another member has posted, then they should be free to reply to said post in a manner that is consistent with the forum policies.  That is called debate, debate is a very healthy form of discussion.  Should any member over step the boundaries of positive discourse, well, that's what we have Mods and admin.'s for, and we all would certainly understand a Mod or admin. stepping in to curtail that sort of activity.

So, now that I've bored you all to tears with my take on things, the question comes back to...why have Chum at all?

[Capt. Bob]

the question comes back to...why have Chum at all?

Well you will be glad to know SB, you are not the first member to ask me that very same question. My form response is "where would we post up members birthdays?"

That stated, the worded description of the Chum forum is indeed ambiguous I agree. The thing is, I'm hard pressed to find content like the link AC posted in other threads (at least since I came on board). It goes back to my "porn link" analogy. Where is the line drawn in the sand? And who draws that line?

History shows, that line was established long ago by the Forum Owners. It also shows that the line isn't straight but rather (to steal a surveying phrase) curvilinear. It bends in different directions depending on the time and mood of the Forum and the member who posts. It not a hard and fast "rule" that one can shake a fist at and say, "show me where I broke it" but rather a common sense guideline as to what this Forum has always accepted (but not always agreed on).

We've seen Lake Norman parties, removal of feral hogs via strafing, trailer ramp follies, boat races/crashes/sinkings, all manner of dogs and other assorted livestock, music (no accounting for tastes on some) vids, the Big Johnson vid. jokes some good/bad along with fun poking, innuendo and many many more topics I won't list at this time.

I do know this and I challenge any member to prove otherwise, I have never seen (outside of Eugene getting clocked in his backyard UFC match) any photos, videos or links to humans being beaten, choked, shot and just plain executed in the Chum forum or any other forum on CAS. My thought process on what stays and goes in Chum (as well as other areas) is grounded on this premise.

You speak of your Facebook page and the freedom it allows you in choosing what to view and not. We all know it can get pretty cranky on there as well as other social media sites and I know first hand that if complaints arise back to Facebook, pages can be removed. That stated, you and others have often posted on the merits of THT only to find its content tainted by just a few members, so much so that time and again you've posted on just staying away from the site. That happens because it is allowed and again, you can always choose whether to stay or go.

We have tried to avoid that setting on CAS by being proactive within reason. After all, sites just like this one are formed by someone who ultimately decides how the Forum is shaped and managed. Has CAS got it right? In the Owners minds possibly. In some members minds, definitely not. Yet again that's the beauty of the internet. Don't like it here, go there ability.

It comes down to this. It's not really about what you have the right to post/view on a website but rather what the Owners allow and this is true of any site on the internet.

Next.

[gran398]

Alright guys, enough silence. Time to exercise my Public Relations appointment.

I'm going with Bob on this one.

Which Bob?

The skinny one

(They're both skinny)

How's that for politricks??    

[CLM65]

I just want to know when Capt. Bob is going to post the links to his porn sites .

[Capt. Bob]

I just want to know when Capt. Bob is going to post the links to his porn sites .

I tweeted the Captain, just waiting for the Go Code.

[gran398]

Well even if he did I wouldn't be a visitor. My wife doesn't allow perverse visual voyeurism.

[RickK]

Alright guys, enough silence. Time to exercise my Public Relations appointment.

I'm going with Bob on this one.

Which Bob?

The skinny one

(They're both skinny)

How's that for politricks??    

That's what we love about you Scott - a center of the road guy.

[GoneFission]

I'm with the Moderators on this one - a boat site should have some relevance to boating activities, and not go off into the wild blue yonder on social and political issues.   Some of the derails go pretty far off, but we need a limit somewhere.  I think Capt. Bob and RickK do a good job of allowing some leeway, but there has to be a limit - other sites seem to have no limit.  So members should use other sites to discuss politricks and social issues unless there is an Aquasport or boating connection - like maybe one of these:
- Po-Po shoots a hole in an unarmed Aquasport somewhere    :batman:  
- We find out Aquasports were really invented by aliens    :alien:  
- The Coast Guard officially declares Kate Upton to be an approved Personal Flotation Device    
- Or something like that...     As the Food Lion says, just my $0.02.

[Aquasport Commodore]

Thank you for replying but there is a lot of hypocrisy in the response let along this topic. ( I will probably get banned for this but I can not in good conscious let this go as I see it as a wrong that should be discussed and addressed at the minimum.)

My post of the video was nothing of politics, yet you chose to make it that way due to comments at the bottom of the video. That is not my issue, under my control let alone your issue, but that of Youtube's. I don't understand why you would want to transfer that none issue here.

As for seeing my post being political, why did you and Rick comment in this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12616 yet along let it go for 3 pages when it went way political and off bubble? The thread was started by a senior member so I guess that makes it alright. Again there is lots of hypocrisy here by you. Is this due to the pecking order here? You see me as a new guy and not having any rights as you guys do? What is the purpose of having a Chum section that is nothing about boats, as Rick has made many forums for those issues? Again I see Hypocrisy as to this board.

I am not attacking you, I am just commenting on the facts. I have copied and pasted the rules on this site and at no time did what I post violate those rules, but you tried to explain yourself and it did not do you any justice as to explaining your lack of standing. I understand that I did violate your made up as you go rules, which you change and alter as you see fit.

This site is a wealth of information and history. It is a shame that more people do not assist with adding that information, let alone contribute as they have a lot. But due to your self centered egotistical self and that of Rick, you two have managed to shut down the site of interaction and membership growth which is a shame, let along chased away many a good members and those of some founding members due to your short sited ways.

You have commented the following and I quoted it below as an example of my above statement:

We've seen Lake Norman parties, removal of feral hogs via strafing, trailer ramp follies, boat races/crashes/sinkings, all manner of dogs and other assorted livestock, music (no accounting for tastes on some) vids, the Big Johnson vid. jokes some good/bad along with fun poking, innuendo and many many more topics I won't list at this time.

I do know this and I challenge any member to prove otherwise, I have never seen (outside of Eugene getting clocked in his backyard UFC match) any photos, videos or links to humans being beaten, choked, shot and just plain executed in the Chum forum or any other forum on CAS. My thought process on what stays and goes in Chum (as well as other areas) is grounded on this premise.

I have gone through the Chum forum and have not found anything mentioned other than by you 40 year old fiberglass in any thread. I have seen much of a bunch of other stuff that was not on those lines. It is OK to see the killing of animals and crashes which cause devastation and is offensive to others as being ok. I post a YOUTUBE video (not a porn, liveleak, etc video) and all heck breaks loose here as to the comments at the bottom of the video page. Again goes with my hypocrisy theory as towards the new guard vs old guard.

As for Ricks question:

The question is "What reaction did Kevin want from the post, why did he post this in the first place?"

I said that in the original post of this topic and I posted it again for your rereading pleasure:

my post was not of Politics but of what LEO's do everyday and the dangers they face. It just puts thing's in peoples views and does not go with Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea Party, or any other party. Nor does it tell, ask, advise or what have you not of how to vote. It was just remember that LEO's are out there every day and night to help keeping everyone safe and to what dangers they face.

I also put in Dr Col David Grossman's name in the original post along with the sheepdog word for your Google experience to understand the meaning of what the meaning.

CB, I reread you rely and just got it. You were offended by the video but you had no leg to stand on other than the made up as you go rules and pulled the mod card. OK as being a mod on other boards I get it. You have final say but there is no violation so what do I do as the mod and your standard MO? I make some rude comments, bully type statements and try to impress on me your vast educational experience as to the $100.00 chosen words you come up with to impress me. Sorry it doesn't work. I am a plain guy with a plain vocab. Just talk to me and don't be rude.

[fitz73222]

I think everyone here would not have no problem with viewing indiscriminate, signature drone strikes against ISSIS because it's impersonal and hasn't effected us....yet. I completely understand why Kevin posted what he did. I can only imagine what goes through the mind of law enforcement with every traffic stop, domestic violence response, something appearing to be innocent that turns potentially deadly. My hat is off to you Kevin and all law enforcement for protecting us from an element of society that will gladly take, steal, pillage, commit violence and harm to people for nothing more the miniscule personal gain at any cost. This is our ISSIS, embedded in all of our commmunities and needs to be checked. Bob and Rick, let this take it's course... We're responsible adults and know this goes on. Kevin's post is not about polarization, it's about an understanding of the current condition. Clear thinking people, LIKE US, understand the rules of being approached by an officer for whatever reason. Do we know anyone here that would come out with guns blazing, wife beating, taking a stupid flat screen to pawn for $50? LET THIS RIDE! Don't polarize this. Anyone who thinks that the mere presence of law enforcement doesn't keep us safe is a fool. I was moved by the video and it reminded me of the sacrifice that law enforcement makes for us. Thank you....