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Egmont Key
« on: October 28, 2014, 07:59:09 PM »
Did anyone hear about an incident at Egmont Key over the weekend? Heard a few boats were beached and the water was pretty rough. Also heard someone fell off the boat as well :shock:  Was anyone there and hope no one got hurt?

October 28, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
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Re: Egmont Key
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 08:32:29 PM »
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Did anyone hear about an incident at Egmont Key over the weekend? Heard a few boats were beached and the water was pretty rough. Also heard someone fell off the boat as well :shock:  Was anyone there and hope no one got hurt?

Hell yeah, I was there. It was my boat. :shock:
Not to worry though, nobody to really care about.

Did I make the news?

Maybe a shot of me mooning the CG chopper in the pages of the Tampa mullet wrapper???.

Just askin............ :mrgreen:
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October 28, 2014, 08:49:55 PM
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 08:49:55 PM »
Glad you were ok, just heard a boat was on the beach and know some members go there for the weekends.  


So you got to tell us what happened we now gotta now :mrgreen:

October 29, 2014, 12:41:13 PM
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2014, 12:41:13 PM »
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So you got to tell us what happened we now gotta now :mrgreen:

Ok then, let's begin the tale with what you want to hear.

Three heavy drinkin', poor boating enthusiasts mishandle simple anchoring techniques and in the process of trying to untangle a mess only idiots would find themselves in, end up in the water with two of the boats beached on the Key. :o
 
Sound about right considering who we are? :scratch:

Let's try this. I'll give you my version and you can spin it how you like.

After driving down from Tally (about 5 hrs. with stops) I met two Forum Members Dave and Rick at the Ft. Desoto boat ramp.
We launched and headed out Bunces Pass (I've never been there) turned south and headed to Egmont Key (I've been there).
Somewhat windy but the ride wasn't bad. We were on the Gulf side and Dave in his 250 EX dropped anchor by the ruins on that side maybe 150-200 feet from the shore. Rick set his just a little north and I set to the west between them. The thought was to relax and have a beer. The wind speed was increasing and the wave action was not relaxing so the idea to move somewhere else was hatched and that triggered the chain of events that followed.

I pulled my hook and Rick and Dave did theirs. I'm not quite sure what happened next because I was heading north and just began to turn my boat back around. Apparently Dave was hauling in rode with his boat in gear (his windless is negative function) when the line snagged and pulled him overboard (thought #1). I saw him in the water and got to him first, tossing him my life jacket (thought #2). Rick, who had finished pulling anchor (he has a functioning windless ) also pulled up and he got Dave on board his boat. In the mean time I noticed Dave's boat idling in gear, parallel to the shore, heading in the general direction of Cuba so.....

I grabbed a line on my boat and tied it to the mid cleat and proceeded to chase down Dave's with the idea of coming along his port side, tie off and board. The winds had, in this relatively short period of time increased even more and while the motors were positioned straight as an arrow forward, the wind took the bow east and she headed toward shore.

So, that idea was scratched and making a command decision, I turned and headed into shore also. So far, we had been pretty lucky that no one was hurt and the whole incident was unfolding in slow motion. Monday morning quarterbacking might have been to drop my hook, take the time to insure a proper set and then swam ashore but.....
My thought at the time was, with both Dave's motors running that they might dredge up enough sand to toast the cooling system and we would end up having to tow him home. So I just beached my boat bow first (thought #3), ran down the beach to intercept Dave's, boarded and shut down his motors. While I got my boat to shore before his, I had to land further south due to submerged piles(?) that I spotted (again luck) and these poor old tired legs ain't what they use to be. Still the Mercs didn't run long and it appears (later) no real damage occurred to the cooling system. Seemed like a good idea after all. :roll:

Rick then brought Dave in as close as he could and Dave swam to his boat. I tried holding the stern out but the wind and sea coupled with the mass of this boat was too much for me and later Dave. It was then I noticed that the same conditions had turned my boat sideways and beached her completely. Realizing the inevitable, Dave and I stopped struggling with his boat and it too turned and became beached. Dave and I then decided to try and get the lighter craft free and Rick circled back around, threw out a 150' of line on a float. I swam out, brought it back in and I made it fast to my large anchor cleat. By timing the incoming swells and pushing up on the bow pulpit, with Rick pulling seaward, she spun around rather easily and Rick pull her out to sea. I boarded as he was taking me out and once clear of the swells, set the anchor. I then swam over and boarded Rick's boat. Meantime, Dave headed back down the beach to his boat and secured a double line (his anchor rode) to the bow eye. Rick produced yet another 150' line (thought #4) and fashioned a double line for towing. He got me in as close as possible and I chose to forgo adding the float to the tow lines (thought #5). Rick had used this float (large fender) when he tossed me the line for my tow but I decided I could just muscle the two lines ashore. Poor macho judgement mistake concerning 300' feet of wet line. In the end, Rick had to pull the lines in and attach the float, circle again and throw me the lines. Swimming in this time was much easier.

Dave tied off the tow lines to his anchor lines attached to the eye. We once again began the same method of pulling, pushing and lifting by using the wave action. It took three hard pulls by Rick but once the bow turned to the Gulf, we were moving and we climbed aboard. While Dave manned the engines I tried to untie the tow lines but the combination of multiple wet lines, tied in an unofficial Boy Scout knot(s) was in vein. I tried using a screwdriver to separate the coils but to be honest, I was worried about running the thing through my hand or leg so....

Rick disconnected the tow lines from his boat, Dave got one engine trimmed down and started (the other would not trim down) and I pulled in all the lines. I then left Dave's boat and he started heading back to the Pass. I swam to Rick's boat who would then get me close to mine. Once I boarded and pulled the hook (hardest part for me of this whole ordeal) we all headed back in at reduced speed. The ride was ridiculous and I myself had little time to reflect on what happened till later. Still as luck would have it (remember, it had been running in our favor at that point) we had to cross the main channel coming out of Tampa Bay and of course there was a big blue freighter departing (thought #6). Dave past in front and so did Rick. I chose to wait and allow the ship to pass and crossed astern of her.

When we each reached the entry to the pass and headed in (there still was a good separation between us) it was a nice relief to get out of that soup. Lady luck would again strike but this time she added a twist. Remember I had stowed the tow lines on the bow of Dave's boat (and they in turn were still tied to the length of anchor rode made fast to the bow eye) and during the long pounding ride back in, made their way over the side and trailed along the wake of the boat. Finally the Lady had her way and the lines fouled Dave's prop, bringing him to a halt. Now adrift at the mouth of the pass, she laughed and smiled again, setting him hard aground.

Rick blew right past him not noticing him off to the north. I did see him and wondered what was up. I was able to get close enough for Dave to throw me a line, I pulled him free and took him in tow. Rick would circle back, check we were ok and then eventually anchor up inside the pass. The hardest part for me was circling Dave's big boat along side of Rick's without scratching either one. Took me a couple three tries but I got her done.

After settling in (we were fairly close to shore) we untied Dave and let him drift into the shallows where he proceeded to unfasten all knots, make fast his lines and manually trim the one motor back down. We then just pulled him back along side and drank a cold beer.

In reflection, it's a great tale but it also makes one think of all the bad things that could have come out of something that just happened. Looking back, you start to realize how fast everything unfolded. We are all experienced boaters but I grew up on the southeast coast and we don't "beach" that often over there (I never have). This was a totally "different" experience for me so let's look at my thoughts.

#1 & 2: Dave's pulled overboard. Caught him completely off guard and happened before he could ever react. Made an old man like me understand why I need to start wearing my life jacket. I was thrown overboard many years ago in the Keys without a jacket and found out very quickly how tired one gets treading water. The drown-proofing technique I learned when I got my C-card saved my life until I was picked up. That incident 35 years ago should have opened my eyes but it didn't. And what about those spinning props? This could have been tragic but it just was not meant to be.

#3: No matter how much one has boated, there is always something you haven't experienced. For me this was that experience.

#4: This just wasn't blind luck. I know I don't have that much line stowed but Rick did and he has had it there for use when needed. These were stored where he could access them quickly and deploy them just as fast. This made the operation much easier and again points to having your craft well prepared. I doubt he intended to pull not one but two boats free as to why he carries that much line but it wasn't luck that he had them on board.

#5: I WAS one hell of a swimmer in my day but those times have come and gone. Of all the things that we did during that event, it stands out as the dumbest. I win the trophy for not listening, not using common sense and trying the hardest at being something I never was.

#6: The freighter. Timing is everything and being lucky rather than good, while a tired cliche was the never truer than at that time. Had those lines, that eventually fouled and rendered Dave's boat adrift happened in front of that ship, well...... :|

While it seemed that this was a long affair, truth is it only took about 20 minutes to get the boats off the beach. In the end, we have a great story to tell and embellish but also a life lesson on how things could have went terribly wrong for all of us. Sobering thoughts at the end of a long day.

The breakfast burritos the next morning made it all worthwhile. :thumleft:
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October 29, 2014, 03:50:29 PM
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Re: Egmont Key
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2014, 03:50:29 PM »
Holy chit, what a story.

I am very thankful all of you are okay, PTL.

I know how fast things can happen. I was thrown out of a boat at the age of 31.

CB, when reading this I was worried about all of that swimming. And climbing on boats.

Glad Rick had that line available and ready.

Again, thank goodness you're all fine.

Did the orange chopper really come?

October 29, 2014, 04:28:58 PM
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2014, 04:28:58 PM »
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Did the orange chopper really come?

They were heading north to south and took a good look at us but never really hovered over us. We certainly didn't try and attract their attention. Only one other boat came by as we were pulling out Dave. He saw what we were doing and gave Rick a wide birth. As I said, the whole thing didn't last very long. I was a little surprised at how easily (relatively speaking) both boats pulled free. I'm not real sure I could have pulled Dave's free with mine but ya never know till you try.

The same forces that beached us also worked to free us. Combo of both good and luck. I just wish I could have gotten a photo of them up on shore.  8)
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October 29, 2014, 05:43:16 PM
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2014, 05:43:16 PM »
Come over to wish Rick a Happy BDAY and saw this, WOW just WOW
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October 30, 2014, 08:15:39 AM
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Re: Egmont Key
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2014, 08:15:39 AM »
Wow guys.. what eventful day out there!  IT's so true... when things go south then can really do it in a hurry! Glad everyone was ok and great looking after each other.  I am out there often but went fishing rather than the beach.  Even on Sunday there were some solid swells till mid afternoon.

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October 30, 2014, 08:37:36 AM
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2014, 08:37:36 AM »
WOW just doesn't seem to cover that...Glad all are okay and hopefully no damage done..Great job looking out for each other...I guess I should maybe add a couple of lenghts of rope to the boat....Great preparedness Rick. :thumright:
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October 30, 2014, 08:48:10 AM
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Re: Egmont Key
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2014, 08:48:10 AM »
I am glad you guys are ok :!:   I was caught in a similar situation at Harker's Island this summer with my wife and my two girls ages 5 and 10.  It's a bad feeling to hear your kids screaming and scared and you are "helpless".  

I think we have all been in these situations a time or two.  Just thankful we are here to discuss it.  Glad you guys are ok :thumright:
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October 30, 2014, 09:04:49 AM
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2014, 09:04:49 AM »
The biggest thing for me was trying to multi-task to get everything ready to deliver to them yet keep my boat away from all the rubble and submerged stuff and also not become another beaching - that wind was relentless and it would have thrown me up on the beach in a flash.  Then we would all have been toast.  Had plenty of food and drink though to last a couple days  :D
The good thing is that there were three of us - any less and it would have been very hard to accomplish. Has made me rethink a few things for sure and order a couple of things for the next time.

As CB said, the chaos only lasted a short time but while it was happening - WOW - talk about pressure :shock:
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October 30, 2014, 10:36:14 AM
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2014, 10:36:14 AM »
Have been thinking about this quite a bit, and guess how it began was Dave pulling anchor by himself/boat in forward/no helmsman.

Please understand the following is not beating a dead horse/know it all/ gas on the fire, criticism, etc. Just trying to help, and very glad and thankful that you're all okay.

When you're by yourself, and the wind/tide is too much to pull anchor by hand (in neutral) try this:

Leave the rope connected to the bow cleat. Put the boat in forward and come up the anchor line, keeping the boat downwind of the rode. When the rope comes alongside at the helm, gaff or boathook the rope. Leaving a slight droop in the rope bow to stern, cleat the rope to the stern cleat. The rope is now connected bow to stern alongside the boat. Continue forward up the rode, pass the imbedded anchor, and pull the anchor with the stern cleat. In deep water, clip an anchor ball around the rope. Ball floats back, pulls the anchor at a 90 degree angle and lifts the anchor to the surface.  

When the anchor is free, put the boat in neutral, undo the rope from the stern cleat, go to the bow (rope still connected to the bow cleat) pull the anchor in and stow.

Same method in deep water, except you're pulling in a ball floating an anchor.

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October 31, 2014, 11:54:29 AM
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2014, 11:54:29 AM »
Not sure I can endorse pulling the anchor from the stern cleat.  Putting the stern of the boat into the wind and waves in nasty weather is a bad combination.  That's what a group of 4 football players did (or tried to do) a couple of years ago in the gulf.  One survived.  I don't think they ever found the other three.

Glad everyone is ok in the Egmont Key ordeal.
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October 31, 2014, 12:29:34 PM
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2014, 12:29:34 PM »
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Not sure I can endorse pulling the anchor from the stern cleat.  Putting the stern of the boat into the wind and waves in nasty weather is a bad combination.  That's what a group of 4 football players did (or tried to do) a couple of years ago in the gulf.  One survived.  I don't think they ever found the other three.

Glad everyone is ok in the Egmont Key ordeal.


Commercial grouper boats use that method here every day. Thats the only way they pull anchor. Most don't even use a ball until the end of the day.  When the anchor breaks loose they increase speed, the anchor rises to the surface like a planer. They pull the anchor across the ocean to the next fishing hole, get on the #, run the anchor course past the spot and spin the boat around. Anchor falls to the bottom, sets, they drift back down the rode to the ledge.

However.....you want to keep a close eye on the tension when pulling. If the anchor gets hung....it either bends out/breaks off or if you keep pulling can rip the boat backwards.

In that case you take a hatchet/machete to the rope.

Unfortunately that's what happened to the football players. Kept pulling, rope acted like a spring, pulled the boat backwards. Stern flooded, boat sank.

October 31, 2014, 01:25:08 PM
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Re: Egmont Key
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2014, 01:25:08 PM »
I think what was suggested was that you would pull the anchor from the stern cleat into your anchor heading which in most cases would have your bow directly into the wind and pull it against the direction it was set (down wind).  The football player incident put their transom against the waves.. and well you know the rest.

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