My new 222

[Lazy L]

Hello All:
 I should be purchasing my 222 in the next week or two and will be starting my rebuild shortly there after. I had some questions of the experts (you all) and wanted your input as I start to formulate a plan for the boat.
 I am primarily going to use the boat in Fort Pierce Fl and in the keys. It will be used for spearing fish (free diving) and fishing. It needs to be easily trailerable.
 I am planning on new stringers, floor, transom console, motor, wiring, etc. I plan on enclosing the transom.

 The questions are as follows:
1- Should I raise the floor and if so how much? What determines how much?

2-I would like to have a livewell, should I add one to the transom or an oval style one to double as a leaning post?

3- On my Sea Vee and other boats I have owned, I like having a bracket on the transom to mount the motor, is this a good idea with the 222 or should I use a adjustable "jack plate" type system and have platforms on either side of it?

4- What is the normal size of the fuel tank in a 222? can I put a 100 gallon tank in it?

5- I am thinking of using a Yamaha 200 4 cyl 4 stroke, any down sides? Is that an adequate size motor? I like to have the availability to go fast but would probably cruise much slower

6-Where would the most economical place to buy resin, cloth, stringer materials, floor materials, etc. be in this area? Can run to Palm Beach or further if needed?


I will have a lot more questions soon but I appreciate the help.

Ed

[Lazy L]

Did I put this in the right  spot?

[gran398]

Do you have a flatback 22-2, a semi-v 22-2, a 222 Osprey, or 222 CCP?

What is the year also.

Thanks

[Capt. Bob]

I'm guessing it's a 74.

[Lazy L]

Sorry. It is a 1977 22-2 semi v center console.

[Capt. Bob]

Somewhat close.

[gran398]

You'll want to raise the floor up 1.5 to 2 inches. The 200 will be fine. Go with a hydraulic jack plate, or Porta Bracket.



Since you like to dive, you may also consider an Armstrong Bracket. Nice roomy swim platform, Armstrong ladder on back.

[wingtime]

I'd strongly suggest a FLOTATION style Armstrong bracket with the swim platform.  Like Scott said you can put a ladder on it for diving etc.  Since it is a flotation style it will help offset the added weight of moving the motor further aft.

The closest fiberglass place to you:

http://www.raka.com/index.html


The next choice:
http://www.fgci.com/default.aspx

[Lazy L]

I was thinking of using an Armstrong bracket but I never see anyone using them on the 22-2. I only see the Porta Bracket and transom hung.

I also see some guys utilizing the original pyramid style stringers and rebuilding them while others start from scratch with standard style (glass over composite) stringers. Is one better then the other for this style boat? Pluses and minuses?

Thanks,
Ed

[fitz73222]

I was scalloping out of Nando's 19-6 with an Armstrong (26" setback I believe) and a 200 EFI Merc and I was totally impressed with that boat and no indication of "squatiness" or porpise tendency plus the armstrong bracket makes a great load and unload platform for diving, swimming, girl peeing, etc.

[fitz73222]

Nando also said he had moved his 65 gallon tank 16" forward which is a fair amount of weight to offset the engine and bracket. His floor had been raised my guess about 3-4 inches and she self bailed perfectly at rest. I really liked how it worked. A lot of thinking went into it.

[CLM65]

You'll get a wide range of opinions, so I might as well offer mine.

1- Should I raise the floor and if so how much? What determines how much?

Yes, raise the floor a couple of inches at minumum.  It seems that 5" is about the max that I have heard of.  It seems that these boats tend to take water in through the scuppers when there is a decent load in the back of the boat.  So an inch or so should help with that.  Then add the weight of the bigger motor, bigger fuel tank, large livewell, etc.  I'm going about 3"+ with my flatback, which granted is a little bit of a different animal than yours.

2-I would like to have a livewell, should I add one to the transom or an oval style one to double as a leaning post?

Your preference.  I'm adding both to mine.

3- On my Sea Vee and other boats I have owned, I like having a bracket on the transom to mount the motor, is this a good idea with the 222 or should I use a adjustable "jack plate" type system and have platforms on either side of it?

As stated, most use a porta bracket with the enclosed transom.  An Armstrong bracket would be nice as well.  The problem with a jack plate on the enclosed transom will be the ability to tilt the motor without the cowling hitting the transom.  There are some jack plates with quite a bit of setback that may work, but I don't think I've seen one installed on a 222 with enclosed transom.

4- What is the normal size of the fuel tank in a 222? can I put a 100 gallon tank in it?

I imagine you can put whatever size you can fit in there, especially since you will be redoing the stringers.  Just keep in mind the additional weight.  Some folks recommend placing the fuel tank further forward to offset the weight of a heavy outboard hanging on a bracket.  The problem with that, especially with the bigger tank, is that the weight will vary considerably between a full tank and an empty one, so the boats attitude may change significantly during the course of a long day on the water.  IMO, the best place to locate the tank is at the COG of the boat, so that it has a neutral effect on attitude, no matter the volume.  Things like console, batteries, etc., are more appropriate for getting and maintaining the right balance in the boat.  Just my opinion of course.

5- I am thinking of using a Yamaha 200 4 cyl 4 stroke, any down sides? Is that an adequate size motor? I like to have the availability to go fast but would probably cruise much slower

That is plenty of motor.  Only downside is weight.

6-Where would the most economical place to buy resin, cloth, stringer materials, floor materials, etc. be in this area? Can run to Palm Beach or further if needed?

I'm not familiar with what is in your neck of the woods, but US Composites in Palm Beach (I think) has good prices, and I think they just opened a store front so you can save on shipping by picking up in person.  I'm not sure if they have floor materials, but they do have resins, tools, cloth, etc.

Welcome to the club and good luck!

[Capt. Bob]

Just a cent and a half.

First, I'm a full platform lover, not an advocate.They are not for everyone but......

I had one (B Bracket similar to an Armstrong) that had a folding ladder on the port side (underneath) and a kicker mount on the starboard. I installed this on my 84 CCP so we're talking two different hulls but I designed/used that boat for two main objectives; spearfishing/lobster/diving and trolling for dolphin.

The bracket is as mentioned above, a great addition for anyone who gets in and out a lot, likes an uncluttered stern and creates additional space on the hull (carried my Brownie's, fully inflated back there). Mounted correctly, it will increase performance. I also mounted my live well on the starboard side (freeing up space in the cockpit) but again, we're talking a different hull design.

Good luck.

[Aswaff400]

Hello All:
 I should be purchasing my 222 in the next week or two and will be starting my rebuild shortly there after. I had some questions of the experts (you all) and wanted your input as I start to formulate a plan for the boat.
 I am primarily going to use the boat in Fort Pierce Fl and in the keys. It will be used for spearing fish (free diving) and fishing. It needs to be easily trailerable.
 I am planning on new stringers, floor, transom console, motor, wiring, etc. I plan on enclosing the transom.

 The questions are as follows:
1- Should I raise the floor and if so how much? What determines how much?

2-I would like to have a livewell, should I add one to the transom or an oval style one to double as a leaning post?

3- On my Sea Vee and other boats I have owned, I like having a bracket on the transom to mount the motor, is this a good idea with the 222 or should I use a adjustable "jack plate" type system and have platforms on either side of it?

4- What is the normal size of the fuel tank in a 222? can I put a 100 gallon tank in it?

5- I am thinking of using a Yamaha 200 4 cyl 4 stroke, any down sides? Is that an adequate size motor? I like to have the availability to go fast but would probably cruise much slower

6-Where would the most economical place to buy resin, cloth, stringer materials, floor materials, etc. be in this area? Can run to Palm Beach or further if needed?


I will have a lot more questions soon but I appreciate the help.

Ed

1, i raised the deck on my flatback about 5 inches.
2, i did a 20 gallon oval transom livewell and will also me doing a oval leaning post livewell between 30 and 40 gallons...
3, i will be using a porta bracket.
4, you dont need 100 gallons of fuel in a 222. you can easily get away with 50-60 gallons. my tank is i want to say 62 or 63 gallons.
5, the F200 yammy, is a good motor for the boat, should get great mileage which is why you dont need a 100 gallon tank.  
6, ive been getting all of my stuff from fiberglass coatings inc. they are less than 10 minutes from my house and 5 minutes from my work.

[gran398]

The tank in our 12 degree is 80 gallons, and is a plenty. Began the tank 10 inches forward of the original location to offset stern weight.

Most flatback owners raise the deck 4 to 5 inches to assure self-bailing. The twelve degree is a different boat. Ours went up 1.5 inches running nearly 800 pounds of twin engines, lower unit extensions, jackplates, and stainless props. Bails just fine, except with the livewell full in a following sea and slow-trolling. If had to do it again, would go 2 inches, but no more. If it ain't broke don't fix it....and enjoy the freeboard.

We have a lot of super 22-2 rebuilds here. Take the time and check 'em out....all a little different, but all with great ideas to be gathered.

Re the existing trap stringer forms  in the 12 degree....they are pretty stout. Will be a lot less time and money too. Would advise glassing ledgers or blocks on the hull sides for the deck to tie into, locks everything down tight.


Best wishes, welcome aboard