Help with valuation on '87 222

[gran398]

[gran398]

Not exactly what you're looking for...but this is an excellent example of a market-aware,  motivated seller. Quality product priced to sell, no BS, no false expectations.  

Love the twin 115 Mercs on a 222 CCP.

Fellas....how far shall we ride this morning?

[redemn93]

thats a nice CCP.  clean, good price, newer trailer.

[Stocksail]

Not exactly what you're looking for...but this is an excellent example of a market-aware,  motivated seller. Quality product priced to sell, no BS, no false expectations.  

Love the twin 115 Mercs on a 222 CCP.

Fellas....how far shall we ride this morning?

i agree. looks like a nice boat. i would really prefer a four stroke. wonder what that boat drafts? looks deeper than the older hull design.

thanks for looking around for me guys, i spent last night on CL and boattrader and really wasn't finding any gems.

Any chance one of you guys want to sell me your boat?  :P

[Capt. Bob]

wonder what that boat drafts? looks deeper than the older hull design.

Factory built, they were advertised at 12" for a 222 CCP.

http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... -8&cat=574

That might have been without a motor but......

My 84 with a 26" full bracket/200hp Evinrude measured about 18" in still water, motor untrimmed.
The beauty of the CCP hull (besides the look) is that it had the ability to get in much skinnier water than it should have. No it isn't a 170 Osprey or even in the same league as a Flatback but it would surprise many people who would think otherwise.

Remember, it may be advertised as a 1990 model (and it probably is) it's the same hull design as was around in the 80s.

Good luck.

[GoneFission]

wonder what that boat drafts? looks deeper than the older hull design.

Factory built, they were advertised at 12" for a 222 CCP.
http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... -8&cat=574
That might have been without a motor but......
My 84 with a 26" full bracket/200hp Evinrude measured about 18" in still water, motor untrimmed.
The beauty of the CCP hull (besides the look) is that it had the ability to get in much skinnier water than it should have. No it isn't a 170 Osprey or even in the same league as a Flatback but it would surprise many people who would think otherwise.
Remember, it may be advertised as a 1990 model (and it probably is) it's the same hull design as was around in the 80s.
Good luck.

Same hull Bob.     Trim the motor(s) up and you can go skinny with a CCP.  I take mine in some pretty shallow areas - as some folks around here know...   :fish:  

I think those twin Mercury 115s are the 2+2 type 4 cylinder motors if they are original 1990 models.  It ran on 2 cylinders at idle, then the other 2 came on when the throttle was advanced.  Some folks loved the 2+2 design - some not so much...    They have a reputation of being hard to get the carbs adjusted just right.  I agree with Gran - a 22 foot CCP with twin 115s is an almost ideal setup!  

[Stocksail]

Talked to the owner of my original post tonight. He is going to email me the last ECM log from regular service interval on the zuke 4 stk and get the motor leak down tested with a fully documented work up before I get there Sat. Tomorrow I am making a few calls to line up looking at other boats just in case a deal can't be made on this one. We'll see how he reacts to the offer you guys suggested.

Hopefully I'll be a classic owner this weekend!

[fitz73222]

wonder what that boat drafts? looks deeper than the older hull design.

Factory built, they were advertised at 12" for a 222 CCP.
http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... -8&cat=574
That might have been without a motor but......
My 84 with a 26" full bracket/200hp Evinrude measured about 18" in still water, motor untrimmed.
The beauty of the CCP hull (besides the look) is that it had the ability to get in much skinnier water than it should have. No it isn't a 170 Osprey or even in the same league as a Flatback but it would surprise many people who would think otherwise.
Remember, it may be advertised as a 1990 model (and it probably is) it's the same hull design as was around in the 80s.
Good luck.

Same hull Bob.     Trim the motor(s) up and you can go skinny with a CCP.  I take mine in some pretty shallow areas - as some folks around here know...   :fish:  

I think those twin Mercury 115s are the 2+2 type 4 cylinder motors if they are original 1990 models.  It ran on 2 cylinders at idle, then the other 2 came on when the throttle was advanced.  Some folks loved the 2+2 design - some not so much...    They have a reputation of being hard to get the carbs adjusted just right.  I agree with Gran - a 22 foot CCP with twin 115s is an almost ideal setup!  

I can chat all day about the pros and cons of the 2+2 design since I too, have a mating pair of 1995 115's on my 22-2. But I will wait on standby and not muddy up the intent of the original post!

[redemn93]

here is an option.  dont know what the real value is since details aren't in the description but a nice trailer, obviously redone transom.  dont know about floor, foam or stringers.  might be worth a call.  wish it had a bigger motor.  150 would be perfect for it.

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/boa/4470901400.html

[Stocksail]

So I got the leak done test results today. They are as follows ? This is on a 2006 Suzuki 140 4 stk

Cylinder pressure
#1 185
#2 185
#3 190
#4 190

Leak down
#1 32%
#2 33%
#3 32%
#4 28%

Tech states motor was brought up to operating temp, gear oil was clean.

This engine is at 290hrs. Had a total rebuild due to oil pump failure at 260hrs.

What say you?




Thanks Jason for finding that listing. I might have seen that one but it looked like a lot of custom work that may be questionable. Is it worth a look?

[wingtime]

I'm not that far from Gulfport.  I just read this thread otherwise I would have chimed in sooner.

[Capt. Bob]

So I got the leak done test results today. They are as follows ? This is on a 2006 Suzuki 140 4 stk

Cylinder pressure
#1 185
#2 185
#3 190
#4 190

Leak down
#1 32%
#2 33%
#3 32%
#4 28%

Looks a little funky to me. Valve seats, rings, scored cylinders?????
A few more places to leak air on a 4 stroke. I would be more inclined to think scored walls on a two stroke but.....

Hopefully the piston heads will speak.

[redemn93]

seems like a lot of leak down.

that boat i posted - if the work was done right, its a hell of a boat.  cant really tell from the pics.  and you'll love the tower.

[Stocksail]

One thing I noticed was on the printout of the test it had ranges and said 10-40% was good. 40-70% fair and poor after that. That does not seem to be the consensus I am finding on the internet.


Motor just got rebuilt 30 hrs ago so I would expect all that is fine..... Is there a chance the tech had an air leak in his gauge or something?


Jason, I agree it looks nice and I do want a tower... Of course it had to be on the opposite coast of the other boats    those boats redone like that usually go for a lot more money than he is asking... Wonder why?

[redemn93]

rebuilt doesnt always mean good.  i hate rebuilt motors unless i know who did it.  it all depends on who did the work and quality of parts used.  ive seen "rebuilt" motors full of old used part in eh condition.  then again, i live too close to miami.