Ryan's (aka prudog45) 1975 Aquasport 222 Newbie Rebuild

[RickK]

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[gran398]

Oh, it is GOOD to be home! No place like home....no place like home....

Ryan, looking forward to your build!

[slvrlng]

Je parle francais? Oui monseiur!

[gran398]

Ryan, just re-read your thread start to finish. My condolences in losing your Dad. Many of us have been through it, and it is hard. However, his memory will always be there to guide you. Many times I can close my eyes and ask my Dad a question or receive guidance, and feel that most of the time I get his direction.

A special thanks to adjectively adept Captain Bob, our bud and mod. It took him a LOOOOOONG time to put that pictorial synopsis together, among his other valued input. Bob, a sincere thanks from myself and all of our members, past, present, and future.

Ry, you're looking great so far. You will want to raise the deck a bit, but in my opinion not as much as is necessary on the 22-2 Flatbacks. We raised Miss D 1.5 inches off original, she self-bails like a champ. A raised deck always equates to loss of freeboard, so the idea is to go just enough to get the job done.

Sorry late to this thread, just getting back in from a trip. Thanks for the kind words earlier! I have your cell #, will call later this week when get settled in.

Thanks!

[prudog45]

Gran Thanks for your replies and welcome back to country. I thank you for you condolences to my father. I the same as you, talk to him from time to time. Even found his jacket in my coat closet months after he passed. I reached in and put on a jacket for a run to the store. I noticed it wasn't my coat when I got to the store. I reached in the pocket and my Dad's money clip, that said Grandpa on it, was in there. Much like him, he didn't leave me any money :-) I would of gave it to Mom if there was money!! It was a strange occurrence and my oldest son has taken ownership of this jacket. All three of us, myself, and my sons miss him dearly. People loved him, but not because he was always the most PC person, because you had no guessing with him. Sometimes the truth hurt, but he would give it to his children. And a lot of times I needed it. But he had the softest side that was seen with his Grandchildren.

Anyway, I have questions.

I priced foam for closed cell, and I'm waiting on another quote, because all I have to go on now is someone on here, and I don't remember where stated they used 4 lbs closed cell per side. I've priced this stuff, and honestly, I started considering doing what I know a lot of the fisherman do, and not even refoam. Except the very back section about 3 floor in front of the transom and under the bilge area. I'm not saying it's a good idea but if I'm looking at a $1000.00 for Foam, I'm having a Panic attack :-) Albiet floatation is important on a boat :-)

Second: I have seen this mentioned over and over what is Tabbing in the Stingers?

And Gran, forgive me I can go to Goggle and look, but what do you mean by losing freeboard if I raise the floor? See I wasn't going to. But I have the 2 " floor I left from ledge all the way around, I'd have to raise the stringers. But that might not be hard. I seen your pics where you made the self bailing drain area a bit larger, I had already decided I liked this. I was also going to put in through hull drains for the front storage drainage and run hoses to the back. My last boat had these under the water line, so I don't know how they even drained but they did. I suppose it's because the drain itself and the hose was above the water line. I have the Livewell Ive yet to set out to construct, I'll need a through transom drain for it. Anyway Im way ahead of myself,

Back to stringers. Gran when we talked about a year ago I believe you said there was somone that made or could make composite stringers specifically for the 222 - I could be wrong. Can you PM me the info if you still have it? Or just pass my info on to them. I need to see what is my best option.

Thanks -

(Oh Im working tonight so I can not fix the pictures until Wed when I return to the foam removal).

P.S. It is my Monday I had to edit this post. I could not believe my Grammar, and boy I'm wordy, but I was typing all over the place. Forgive me if you see this in my post sometimes, it's a downfall of being clinically OCD - or "scattered brained". Sometimes I go back and read my own post and I think "What am I even saying".. LOL!!

[gran398]

All is well. If you raise the deck, you lose freeboard.....the gunnel ends up lower in relation to your body. So raise the deck five inches....instead of being inside the boat at zipper height....you're now just above knee height. Not a biggee running around the bay.... but offshore in rough water...something to consider.

Your existing stringers are good to go. Cut the tops off, pull the foam out....just as our new member has done on her '74. Foam is cheap...don't pay crazy money. The only closed-cell you'll need is inside the stringers. Block foam is fine and IMO preferable to lay in the hull beneath the deck, outside the stringers.

Don't apologize for wordiness. If that's how you fly, good by us. I myself just like to post a lot

This is going to be a great experience for you. Trust the members, a lot of knowledge here....no worries

[seabob4]

Welcome home Scotty!  Hope you're tipping the scales a couple lbs on the + side...  

[gran398]

Thanks brother! Glad to be back in the good ol'  US of A. Where using a public restroom is free.   No 20% Value Added Tax on any and all purchases. Diesel isn't $9/gallon.  And hotels have washcloths

Lost 3 pounds....we walked a LOT

I'll post some pics on the Chum forum once we get back to normal. Should be fun... Carolyn made me buy some stylish Frenchy-boy clothes.

Like Boy George  

[prudog45]

All is well. If you raise the deck, you lose freeboard.....the gunnel ends up lower in relation to your body. So raise the deck five inches....instead of being inside the boat at zipper height....you're now just above knee height. Not a biggee running around the bay.... but offshore in rough water...something to consider.

Your existing stringers are good to go. Cut the tops off, pull the foam out....just as our new member has done on her '74. Foam is cheap...don't pay crazy money. The only closed-cell you'll need is inside the stringers. Block foam is fine and IMO preferable to lay in the hull beneath the deck, outside the stringers.

Don't apologize for wordiness. If that's how you fly, good by us. I myself just like to post a lot

This is going to be a great experience for you. Trust the members, a lot of knowledge here....no worries

OMGosh I just typed a bunch and then exited the site without submitting. I'll take this as a sign not to order closed cell until I know what and how much I need.

Regardless, I know someone had been under the deck in this boat before, first clue it has a Poly fuel tank - although it was installed backwards, and I had to remove non-fiberglassed rotten wood from under the fuel tank and I had to remove the foam filled fiberglass span that ran between the stringers about 5 foot forward the transom, aft the fuel tank, because someone wedged a board under there   , and this fiberglass span was not in good shape. After I removed it, the small horizontal square (4 foot forward the stringers), glassed to the stringers as well, near the hull bottom and directly aft the removed span became quite flexible. It is a mystery to me. As something had to be holding this up, yet allowing drainage, and I know it wasn't this water logged plywood. Will search pictures to see if I can figure out this mystery. I assume I can rebuild this span no issues, and then reinforce the aft board with marine grade plywood, and fiberglass it all in.
I have to get my pictures to upload correctly later this week, so I can use arrows to point to the what is this questions :-) Well it really is the only what is this I have found thus far. My assumption is it is to secure the rear of the fuel tank. So I will probably need to build a rear, a forward, and a bottom to house the fuel tank, yet allow the water to drain properly. Mold building would be handy now. It is coming fast :-)

[prudog45]

Oh and a side note: As I see many of you have titles, of course for the correct reasons (Master Builder, Rigging Master, Site Admin, Public Relations) - By the time I am done with my rebuild and this Subject Forum and of course asked every Aquasport 222 question possible. Can my Title Say : prudog45: Champion Rebuild Question Asker Extraordinaire ---  "If you have a Question Check Prudog45's post, he has most likely asked it" :-)

Thanks again, All of your help has been worth it's weight in Gold!!! Please bare with my questions through this rebuild. From my Newbie perspective on rebuilds, I need this to come out as top notch as possible.

You see I talked my girlfriend out of buying an older Chesapeake Dead-rise style boat. Because a call came in from CAS member Sandman up in VA 1 hour after looking at this other boat. After months and months of searching, and no close calls. I had all but given in, then Sandman calls with a 1975 Aquasport 222 for sale. The timing was perfect, I was one step away from buying this other boat.. Sandman said the AS 222 transom needed redone, and I asked him for his price and he nearly knocked me out of my seat with his low price. I didn't get the 100.00 deal Kate did. But I did get a deal, I basically got the boat for the price of the brand new leaning post that came with it. I also paid separately for the trailer it was sitting on. I paid more the trailer than I wanted, but transporting it home and not putting it on another trailer while picking it up, it was worth it to me.

So if I can't make this work out great, I have her eyes piercing my soul to look forward to. Not really she is a great girl, but my guilt will eat me up, as she was so excited about the other boat, she just wanted to get on the water - she didn't care about looks. I literally talked her out of a boat ready to ride, for the 1975 Aquasport 222 that needed work. I can see the finished product by coming here to CAS.com and combing through pictures. Although sitting in fiberglass dust, sweating, and pulling wet foam can erase the picture in my head.       I need to print one up and tape it somewhere visible inside the hull.

I can't say it enough, thank you all!!

[Callyb]

Ryan, that amount of money for foam is insane! I'm not sure what you got a quote for, but the 2 part expanding foam isn't going to cost half of that to fill EVERYTHING under the sole. If I remember correctly, I ordered 1 80lb kit of 2 lb and 3 16lb kits of 4lb and that should be too much just in case my stringer method goes unfavorably.

[prudog45]

Ok here we go. I'm crossing my fingers these Pictures make it to this Subject. Thanks Rickk for the Tutorial....  :bounce:
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