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March 29, 2014, 11:55:45 PM
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88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« on: March 29, 2014, 11:55:45 PM »
Guys, I've perused the site for years but participated little due to a lack of time.  But I've always enjoyed coming here and learn each and every time I log on.  Amazing stuff each time.  This time I'm reaching out for help.

For good reason I'm trying to figure out what my boat weighs, or should weigh.  She's an 89 Osprey 200, boat was rebuilt stringers up with a nidacore deck and repowered with a Yamaha Saltwater OX 150 HP in 2001.  Sanchez Bros. 1/2 tower and a bunch of other goodies too.  25 MPH cruise at 3600 RPM and 43 MPH WOT at 5300 RPM.  Great boat, used the hell out of it but its time to move up to a 24' boat with kids and overall comfort considerations.  

My plan is simple.  Next year I plan to have Coarsey Custom Fiberglass up in Chiefland, FL build me a new Old Pro 2400.  Their boat new out of the mold, not a rebuild.  I plan to re-rig everything off my boat onto the new one.  Motor, tower and engine controls, leaning post livewell, trolling motor, batteries, onboard battery charger, power pole, console, etc.  Then sell my currently re-built hull, deck and trailer.  It's the only way I'll ever get the value out of the boat, by re-using everything that's so expensive to add on to begin with.  

The new boat will weigh roughly 2700 pounds dry so this is where my question really means something.  Since I plan on re-using my 150 OX to power it, what can I expect performance wise?  

According to iboats.net, weights of the old Aqua's range significantly based on production year.  I'm not sure if it's right or not so that's why I'm asking.  1988 says the boat was 1550 pounds dry, 1993 says 1935 pounds dry, and 1996 says 2300 pounds dry.  Quite a bit of difference for boats that don't seem that much different.  Iboats.net info below...

1988
This outboard center console is 19.5 feet long and weighs 1550 (pounds dry). This weight does not account for passengers, fuel, or gear. The beam of this craft is 92 inches.

1993
This outboard center console is 19.5 feet long and weighs 1935 (pounds dry). This weight does not account for passengers, fuel, or gear. The beam of this craft is 91 inches.

1996
This Aquasport outboard center console has a fiberglass hull, is 19.5 feet long and 91 inches wide at the widest point. The boat weighs approximately 2300 pounds with an empty fuel tank and without any gear or passengers.



Im wondering where I'm at weight wise between 1500 and 2300 pounds?  I don't have the ability to get the boat weighed that I know of.  If closer to 2300 then I'm not not much worried about pushing the new boat with the 150, but if closer to 1550 I'd certainly be worried.  

Please weigh in.

Thanks.

March 30, 2014, 07:06:32 AM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 07:06:32 AM »
This is an interesting, well-written proposal, and makes good sense. Welcome back!

Next time the boat is off the trailer, weigh the tow vehicle and trailer at a truck stop. Then load the boat, and weigh everything again. This will at least give a working idea as to rigged hull weight.

Just guessing, but would think apples and apples the new ride will go no more than 500 pounds heavier than your Osprey 200. If memory serves Coarsey uses A/C fir ply in their deck and transom.

You should be fine with the 150, especially if its just cruising/picnicking with the family. Big offshore trips with a bunch of guys may be a little marginal, but not too bad. The Coarsey is a 12 degree deadrise, right?

You may need to play a bit with different props, but no biggee. The guys here have been real happy with Ken at Prop Gods, he'll work with you.

Keep us posted on the project. Sounds like you'll have a nice boat to sell too, so when the time comes, post it up!

Thanks and good luck! :salut:


March 30, 2014, 01:40:08 PM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2014, 01:40:08 PM »
So does Coursey have the old PL 24 mold, or did they splash and make their own?  Good looker right there... :thumleft:


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March 30, 2014, 07:03:09 PM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 07:03:09 PM »
Thanks for the reply gran, and the rest of y'all please keep them coming.  All the information helps.  

Coarsey has their own mold.  I've spent some time talking to Mr. Robert at length about the plan I have.  Good folks, the kind of people you just sorta automatically wanna deal with after you talk to them.  They've re-done over 500 old pro-lines, so they're hull, the Old Pro 2400, is very similar to a mid 70's pro-line 24.  Not a flat back, it has some dead rise which I believe is shy of 12 degrees to answer gran's question.  

For the record, I'll admit it kinda pains me to not be doing an old 222 re-build.  I love the Aqua's, always have.  But for what I do, and now with young kids...Tampa Bay flats/bay/beaches, Boca Grande and Keys tarpon and bugs, I really need the extra 2 feet.  Viewing this as a 15 year boat, won't need anything else for that duration.  

I'll try and post up some pix of my current boat later on...

Thanks again.

March 30, 2014, 09:22:41 PM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2014, 09:22:41 PM »
Good deal!

You joined Classic Aquasport early on.... glad you're back!

Deadrise less than 12 degrees is even better for running your 150 Yammie....easy ups on the hole-shot.

Agree with Bob....good lookin' ride!

Keep us posted, and welcome back :salut:

March 30, 2014, 09:53:27 PM
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 09:53:27 PM »
From what I've read, like yourself, I'm of the belief that the Hialeah hulls weighed less than their Genmar counterparts.
Since you have the Hialeah hull, it should (though I've never weighed either builders hulls) weigh on the lighter side.

That stated, you have rebuilt the hull so I cannot see any comparison with any of the 200 models.
I agree with Gran in that to get a true comparison between your current hull and the new one you seek, you need to actually weigh the beast.

Good luck. :thumleft:
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March 30, 2014, 10:41:20 PM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2014, 10:41:20 PM »
Here's the boat as she currently sits...




March 30, 2014, 10:52:51 PM
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2014, 10:52:51 PM »
Good lookin' :thumright:

Rigged and ready.

You should find an able buyer here.

March 30, 2014, 10:54:39 PM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2014, 10:54:39 PM »
I imagine the builder has made enough of these boats to know how they perform with different engines - I would ask him for real world data.

That is a great looking  boat you have, btw :thumleft:
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March 30, 2014, 11:26:49 PM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2014, 11:26:49 PM »
CB...a thought regarding increased hull weight through production years.

The Ospreys were the same as  the 70's Hialeah hulls....with the exception of the raised gunnel cap to increase freeboard.

The Genmar production to start was pulled from original 70's molds.  Add the Osprey higher gunnel cap and freeboard...additional 150-200 pounds.

We have never discussed a stringer difference....it is possible the Ospreys may have picked up heavier stringers in conjunction with the CCP builds.

March 31, 2014, 07:24:03 AM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2014, 07:24:03 AM »
she looks like she's floating lighter in the stern and heavier in the bow than my genmar built 200 osprey... im thinking the weight with the tower, makes it about equal... both have a v6 outboard on a hydraulic jackplate, both have a bow mount trolling motor... i think you should be fine, how many 22-2's and 24 PL's do we see running around the bay with 140-175 hp and full towers...


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March 31, 2014, 08:19:43 AM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 08:19:43 AM »
MAd..
That is one beautiful setup. THat is exactly what i want to shoot for with my Osprey 200. At least now I know how it should look when done.

March 31, 2014, 09:24:04 AM
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2014, 09:24:04 AM »
Quote from: "gran398"
The Genmar production to start was pulled from original 70's molds.  Add the Osprey higher gunnel cap and freeboard...additional 150-200 pounds.

We have never discussed a stringer difference....it is possible the Ospreys may have picked up heavier stringers in conjunction with the CCP builds.

No, I don't think so but I really don't know. Down the line, all the Genmar Aquas were heavier than their Hialeah counterparts. Could be the Genmar production technique lead to this or maybe it was the marketing department. Most likely a combo of both and the manner they determined the weight. The EX and Ospreys (same lengths) shared the same hull and of course gained with the addition of the Euro Transom but the smaller Ospreys stayed (at least visually) about the same. Who knows and other than us, who cares. At the end of the day, slap who you're dancing with on the scale and see what she weighs.
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March 31, 2014, 01:41:24 PM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2014, 01:41:24 PM »
Um...they don't go for that..... :mrgreen:

April 01, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
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Re: 88 Osprey 200 Weight? There's a bigger question....
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2014, 10:07:02 PM »
Thanks for the replies.  I know prop has a lot to do with it and it's an area which I'm really not all that familiar.  At the end of the day I'm looking for a decent hole shot and top end no more than mid 30's.  Anything more than that and these hulls just don't feel like they were made for it.  

So I guess the real question is...am I correct in assuming the new 24' Proline (2700#) plus tower, fuel, loaded livewell, etc. can get a good hole shot and mid 30's if propped right with my 150 Yam OX66?

Thanks.

 


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