1987 22-2 Ospery re-power

[Bushleaguer]

I posted it in the resource forum too- I missed that originally.

Checked on the motor install Saturday.  They haven't laid a finger on the project in two weeks.  The motors are sitting there in crates, and "just came in yesterday".  Hopefully, things will start moving forward again now.

[Bushleaguer]

Finally picked them up yesterday- two weeks after the projected due date.  The were willing to meet me and open up on a Sunday for delivery, so that was nice of them.  Before I get them wet, I have a couple of projects- first, the motors are about 4" taller than the old one, so I have to re-configure my downrigger board.  Also have to make new splash guards for across the transom to keep unwanted water out of the well.  Have to take the daughter back to college this coming weekend, so it will probably be the 17th before I get to run them.  Anyway, they sure do look good and it's costing me sleep thinking about getting them out there!

[Bushleaguer]

Here's more pics:







   

[RickK]

Nice and shiny  

[gran398]

Bush, how are you liking the new twins?

[Bushleaguer]

Honestly, I've never had a project fight me the whole way like this one has.

I spent Saturday and Sunday getting things rigged back up and re-installed.  Made new splash guards for the transom, had to add spacers to the downrigger board to accommodate the taller motors, and re-installed my rocket launcher / storage box.  I'll get pics posted of that this coming weekend.

So Sunday, I finally am going to get to run the motors.  Went to the ramp and splashed the boat.  First off, the scuppers are completely underwater.  I have a good four inches of standing water in the back of the boat.  I'm thinking that when backing down the ramp, I got a ton of water over the transom and the added weight from all that water made the waterline even lower.  I was going to go ahead and run the boat to get the water sucked out and see what happens with the waterline then.  However, my port motor wont turn over.  Tilt and trim works, so I have power.  I gave everything a quick visual, but didn't see anything obvious, so, back on the trailer.  Back to the dealer.

Dealer found a harness connector that wasn't clicked tight.  He connected it up and secured with zip ties.  Good to go there.

Last night, I drove up and installed ball type one way scuppers they had at west marine.  To me, they look awful cheesy and cheap, but it was all they had.  Thunderstorms moved in in the evening, so I'm going to give that a try maybe another day this week and see what happens.  Unfortunately, I fear that it isn't going to help enough to make me comfortable.  Having the scuppers completely underwater will make me awfully nervous, even if the check valve scuppers work.  Just having those fittings submerged all the time will eventually soak the transom I'm afraid.

So the short answer is- I haven't even had a chance to run the boat yet, but am hoping to do it Wednesday or Thursday.

[slvrlng]

I have the ping pong scuppers on my 222 as well. I have found on really steep ramps water was still leaking in and like you this drives me nuts. Before I dunk her now I put in a couple of plugs on the inside and then remove them once underway. On steep ramps the water will come within 2 inches of the top of the transom before she floats off.   This is with a 25 inch transom.

Edit: One thing about the ball scuppers, don't ever get gasoline on them! I premix at 50 to 1 and last month a friend was "helping" me fill the boat. I do this in 10 gallon increments using a small 1 gallon container. I put 1/2 gal of gas in the small tank then add the proper amount of oil for 10 gals. then add 9.5 gals into the boat then pour the mix in on top. While I was mixing the oil into the small container on the second 10 gals my friend pumped 4.5 gallons of gas into my new rodholder! Thank God these are open gunnel boats! It poured out the scuppers for 5 minutes!After rinsing it 3 times with Dawn at the station my wife noticed the scuppers had turned white. She touched one of them and it just fell apart. The gas had broken down the plastic to a very fragile composition.

[Bushleaguer]

If I find that the scuppers are submerged while the boat is at rest after I get the water from the boat ramp out, is it OK for the ball scuppers to be completely underwater?  Will they really keep the water out?  Will rain water drain?  I don't see how it can, which will be a big problem for me because I leave the boat in the water at a marina all season.

[gran398]

Man I hate to hear this. Glad you went with the lightweight 70's though.

Where are the batts located now?

[fitz73222]

If I find that the scuppers are submerged while the boat is at rest after I get the water from the boat ramp out, is it OK for the ball scuppers to be completely underwater?  Will they really keep the water out?  Will rain water drain?  I don't see how it can, which will be a big problem for me because I leave the boat in the water at a marina all season.

I'm surprised you're sitting that low? My twin 115 two strokes weight in at 348# dry each plus stainless props and 3 gal total oil and my scuppers are only about 3" below the waterline on a presumably wet foam 20" open transom 73 22-2. It seems that later model CCP's like yours had much better foam that didn't absorb water like earlier models so I'd be surprised your that water logged. I can appreciate the steep ramp issues and have had the water come right over the transom so that ramp is off limits. I realize your scupper configuration is via hoses and out through the gunnel rear corners but what about modifying the deck drains with some kind of stand pipes that you could put in for launching and general purpose and pull them out when underway or when you need to drain while underway? They don't need to be that tall but will stop the annoying water intrusion without being too obtrusive. They make small mini bilge pumps with intergral float switch that you can make a small plastic or stainless housing for, drill some holes in it and mount it in a corner to deal with the nuisance water. Just an idea...

[fitz73222]

I just looked at your pictures again, my bad; your drains are through the transom. Anyway my ball scuppers are completely underwater and they keep the water out at rest. Those reed style scuppers are worthless and leak. Plus the sun destroys the rubber reed plate in 6 months. If I were you I would mount the deck bilge pump and keep the scuppers plugged off when the boat is moored at the marina. You should be able to make a neat install behind your false transom door

[jdupree]

They look great :!:  

[Bushleaguer]

Where are the batts located now?

Two group 27's are under the console.

Fuel tank is full-  original tank is in the original coffin box.

I like your idea Fitz- plug 'em off and set up an above deck pump.  That arrangement, I think I could sleep with.  My other thought was a complete canvas mooring cover, but that would be a PITA.  I wasn't equipped with a decent camera when I tried to launch last time, but I will next time within the next couple of days.  I'll get plenty of pics so you can all chime in hopefully.  I'll be able to run it now and suck the water out the scuppers after I launch and then see where I'm at.  I think that the weight of all that water kept me in a catch 22 right off the bat.  Now that I have the ball type scuppers it may be a different ball game.

[Bushleaguer]

Completed next phase and feel much more comfortable now.  Put boat back in on Friday.  Motors both run now so I got to put the initial three break in hours on them so that I was able to give some throttle and see where I'm at.  Left the boat moored on Friday night.  Saturday morning, rear of boat full of water, both in bilge and above deck.  Ping pong scuppers do not adequately keep water out of boat.  So- I bought a pair of 1-1/4" plugs and sealed off scuppers from inside.  I then used Fitz' idea and installed a small automatic pump for above deck drainage of rain water.

The water in the bilge certainly came from leaky deck plates, so next I will be screwing lexan covers over the openings as suggested by David Pascoe here:

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/sinking.htm

On Sunday morning, after completing these few projects, I had enough break in time to go WOT briefly.  I got 27.7 knots at wide open.  1.7 knots faster than the old 115 HP.  I was hoping for more. Low end torque and hole shot is unbelievable.  It jumps on plane right now.  And quiet- wow.  You can actually hold a conversation while underway, which I was never able to do before.  Here's the latest pics:

Here's a couple of shots of the stern showing where the ball scuppers now sit at rest- about 2 1/2 " lower than with previous engine:

[Bushleaguer]

Here's what she looks like moored at the slip.  Attitude is certainly different, more bottom paint showing at the bow, bottom paint underwater at the stern.



Here's the above deck rain water pump Fitz suggested.  I glued the pump base down with 4200 to avoid more holes in the deck, and just run the hose over the stern.  Should keep the water above deck to a minimum with the scuppers plugged off.



Here's a view I took while underway at low RPM during break in.  The scuppers kick a rooster tail right into the back of the splash well- some kind of an additional splash guard will be added to prevent this.  You can also see the new lexan transom guards I made to keep excess water from getting in when in rougher seas and at the boat ramp.