Windline ladders and trim tabs..

[dburr]

windline ladder pics....

Does anyone have the bracket that Pete does on a 222 Osprey and if so will the 10x12 trim tabs fit under it?

I have the Windline fixed plate mount and would like to add trim tabs.



The clearance with the plate with the standard black plastic shim is 5 1/2 inches from the forward side of the ladder pole to the turn of the bilge and from what I gather, the tab of choice is the Bennett M120 or Lenco 9x12 and with my current setup there is no room for tabs that size.  Getting rid of the ladder is not an option, the kids and the Big Boss have made that clear ..

My apologies for the lack of further info and dimensions, it was 18F and blowing 15 and I whimped out because my fingers got cold so I didn't take lot of time with preliminary project planning..

If the stock Windline DLB-9 doesn’t provide enough clearance then the current plan is to locally fab something similar that will fit the transom angle and offer a little more setback..

Any other ideas/options ?

Thanks!!

[RickK]

Question to the membership:We had a thread on a new tab technology - maybe Volvo Qtab or something like that.  Does anyone remember the name/brand and this might solve his dilemma.  I think Capt. Rick used them on his rebuild - wonder how they faired?

EDIT: Found it http://www.volvopentastore.com/QL-Trim-Tab-System-Complete/dm/store_id.366--view_id.351561 - hey another option anyway.  Even got good reports over on THT.

[slvrlng]

And I thought 35 and blowing rain was bad yesterday!

I know you love that ladder but this might be the best option. This is what I put on my 222.

http://www.overtons.com/modperl/product ... rchID=4006

[Blue Agave]

If that third pic is your boat and ladder I don't see what the issue is. The tabs can be mounted no problem.

[Capt. Bob]

If that third pic is your boat and ladder I don't see what the issue is. The tabs can be mounted no problem.

I agree but........

From an efficiency standpoint, you would like to get the tab outboard (as close to the chine) as much as possible. This increases the minimum inboard spacing between the tab and the lower unit and offers the best bang for the buck tab size wise.

On my CCP the tabs were pulled inboard to allow clearance between the actuator and the full bracket. They worked well.
My WAC has a swim platform and I was able to relocate the mounting bracket for actuator clearance. This allows the tab to move further outboard.


Still, it appears there is enough clearance to fit a tab on that side, make it functional and still keep the ladder. Just be conscience when boarding for the tab to prevent scraping of one's lower extremities. :o

Good Luck.

[Blue Agave]

With a 12 degree hull moving the tab inboard away from the chine will have no/little effect on the performance.

[CLM65]

Does Windline make a bracket for mounting on a swim platform like Lewis suggested?  I had my Garelick ladder (similar to your Windline) mounted on a swim platform on a 200 Osprey.  I didn't have tabs, but I probably could have fit them.

[dburr]

If that third pic is your boat and ladder I don't see what the issue is. The tabs can be mounted no problem.

I agree but........

From an efficiency standpoint, you would like to get the tab outboard (as close to the chine) as much as possible. This increases the minimum inboard spacing between the tab and the lower unit and offers the best bang for the buck tab size wise.

On my CCP the tabs were pulled inboard to allow clearance between the actuator and the full bracket. They worked well.
My WAC has a swim platform and I was able to relocate the mounting bracket for actuator clearance. This allows the tab to move further outboard.



Still, it appears there is enough clearance to fit a tab on that side, make it functional and still keep the ladder. Just be conscience when boarding for the tab to prevent scraping of one's lower extremities. :o

Good Luck.

CB The tab would be a further five inches inboard form where yours is which is why i am thinking more setback.. Can't tell, what type and size tabs do you have?


All good points gents, the commissioning budget does not allow for more then tabs, filters and a few other sundries, a swim platform is a great idea, that may be what those pads just inboard of the ladder were for, the PO didn't know and I am still researching..

[Blue Agave]

Have you considered a different ladder mount?  One that pitches the ladder at an angle as opposed to straight down. That would probably provide the clearance you need.

[Capt. Bob]

CB The tab would be a further five inches inboard form where yours is which is why i am thinking more setback.. Can't tell, what type and size tabs do you have?

My tabs measure 9" x 18" and are hydraulic by Bennett.
I'm not a big fan of swim platforms but that is what came on my WAC. Still, they afford old guys like me better ingress/egress out the back of my stern due to its layout.

Good luck.

[wingtime]

A while back I bought a Windline ladder that came with the bracket you have.  With that bracket the ladder went almost straight down.  I ordered the DLB-9 bracket (same as Pete's) from Windline.  The DLB-9 bracket kicks the bottom of the ladder at a much more comfortable angle.  That angle coupled with the further aft position of the ladder may give you the room you need.  I think there is a thread of my ladder install on here.

[Tabman]

CB The tab would be a further five inches inboard form where yours is which is why i am thinking more setback.. Can't tell, what type and size tabs do you have?

My tabs measure 9" x 18" and are hydraulic by Bennett.
I'm not a big fan of swim platforms but that is what came on my WAC. Still, they afford old guys like me better ingress/egress out the back of my stern due to its layout.

Good luck.

The actual measurements of the 18x9 are 18" side to side and 8-5/8" fore to aft.  Our 10 x 12 M120 measures 10" side to side and 11-5/8" fore to aft and our 12x12 is 12" side to side and 11-5/8" fore to aft.

Tom
Bennett Marine

[dburr]

A while back I bought a Windline ladder that came with the bracket you have.  With that bracket the ladder went almost straight down.  I ordered the DLB-9 bracket (same as Pete's) from Windline.  The DLB-9 bracket kicks the bottom of the ladder at a much more comfortable angle.  That angle coupled with the further aft position of the ladder may give you the room you need.  I think there is a thread of my ladder install on here.

That's what I'm thinking Bruce, I just measured some more today and angling the mount is a good answer.  I was worried about the ladder design so I have a call into Windline to see if there is a "max off vertical angle" that I need to contend with.  Maurine, (sp?) the nice lady in sales says she thought there was but she is not sure so will find out and let me know.  If face angles are not an issue the DLB-9 would work, but might look a little hokie lines wise.  It would defiantly look like a bolt on instead of something thought out.  There are some good stainless guys locally so a little $$ and a case of beer might make for a good one off..

Thanks CB, good info.. I agree about the bolt on swim platforms, depending on the model they don't really look like they belong and are hard to get good function in the correct form.. I have a teak one (relatively good shape) up in the barn that came from the local transfer station (can't call it a dump anymore and you CERTAINLY can't shot rats there.. Damn do gooders!) and the Windline is way easier for ingress..

Thanks Tom. Knowing the finished dimension helps

In answer to the "are there under platform mounts for the ladder" question, there most certainly are. All stainless, with backing plate list is $62.50.
https://windline.com/index.php?act=viewdetails&mod=111

[wingtime]

Dave,

The DLB-9 while spendy is a very nice beefy professional looking mount.  The tilt up feature is very nice for when you forget to pull up the ladder.  Also the angle of the ladder makes it MUCH easier to climb than a vertical ladder.  I also found the angle makes it easy to swim up to the ladder and sit on the bottom rung by straddling the center post.  This makes taking off scuba gear, fins and such easy.

Here are some pics of my install:

[dburr]

Dave,

The DLB-9 while spendy is a very nice beefy professional looking mount.  The tilt up feature is very nice for when you forget to pull up the ladder.  Also the angle of the ladder makes it MUCH easier to climb than a vertical ladder.  I also found the angle makes it easy to swim up to the ladder and sit on the bottom rung by straddling the center post.  This makes taking off scuba gear, fins and such easy.

Here are some pics of my install:

This is exactly what I am looking for! Now, sorry to be so needy but if the boat is handy could you grab the distance to the vertical about 12 inches below the bottom mount pin on the ladder? That is the approximate position of where I need tab clearance..

I was worried about the lines flow of the mount and how it would look side profile with the sheer line, top of the mount heading uphill etc.. But from the picture It is not noticeable. As far as the max up angle,  I have not heard back from Windline yet...

Many Thanks!