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March 25, 2010, 05:08:55 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2010, 05:08:55 PM »
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Bob, Rick, Marc,
Bob, you are correct.  This basically a take-off on a Morse "S" control, which is a single lever/single function control.  You need 2, as Bob said, one for shift, one for throttle.  The detent kit is for the shift control, lets you know when your in neutral.

Typically when you have a single engine boat, and you want to use these controls, you go with the twin binnacle... :shock:
I thought twin binnacle were for twin engine  :scratch:
So since I only bought one ,what would be my option beside getting another one?
Marc..
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March 25, 2010, 06:29:49 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2010, 06:29:49 PM »
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So since I only bought one ,what would my option beside getting another one?
Marc..

Return that and get this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Teleflex ... iesQ5fGear

Has the look you want, a detent (for warm up idle) and I already talked to "John" (the guy you purchased it from)and he's waiting to hear from you.

Good luck and keep us in the loop.
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March 25, 2010, 07:06:17 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2010, 07:06:17 PM »
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So since I only bought one ,what would my option beside getting another one?
Marc..

Return that and get this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Teleflex ... iesQ5fGear

Has the look you want, a detent (for warm up idle) and I already talked to "John" (the guy you purchased it from)and he's waiting to hear from you.

Good luck and keep us in the loop.

I really like the unit I got, exactly what I was looking for, SS lever/casing 1/8" thick and would like to making it work. I'm good at fabricating stuff, just need an idea/or a product of a second device

The thing that confuse me is that  controls deals with two way of controlling the throttle  :scratch: so I'm no sure what to call which

Marc..
1979 170 Aquasport 70hp Evinrude

March 25, 2010, 07:52:12 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2010, 07:52:12 PM »
So what you bought was, in essence, a binacle control that has a neutral, Fwd, Rev plus the throttle - like a regular single multi-function binacle.  The only thing it lacks is the "neutral mode" detent or slide engagement idle mode, correct?
And you've mounted it already, and it works except for the idle mode?
Rick
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March 25, 2010, 07:57:16 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2010, 07:57:16 PM »
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I really like the unit I got, exactly what I was looking for, SS lever/casing 1/8" thick and would like to making it work. I'm good at fabricating stuff, just need an idea/or a product of a second device

The thing that confuse me is that  controls deals with two way of controlling the throttle  :scratch: so I'm no sure what to call which

Marc..

OK,
This is the way I see it.
1. You can buy another one for the shift. You will need two. Since I'm not totally familiar with these controls,, (Bob C to the white phone) you may be experiencing functions that allow either travel for throttle (long throw) or shifting (shorter throw). Just a guess. :idea:  

2. You can buy this. One lever, dual function

http://www.blackbearsportinggoods.com/P ... 1&click=12

3. Scroll down and read about each type of control and decide.

http://www.seamar.com/mengine.html

Marc,
This are just ideas. Hopefully someone has done something similar to what you have and can help, but...
I don't think (I could very well be wrong) that you really want to fab something up to control the shift (or throttle) that works (or looks) much different than these type control devices.
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March 25, 2010, 08:00:07 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2010, 08:00:07 PM »
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So what you bought was, in essence, a binacle control that has a neutral, Fwd, Rev plus the throttle - like a regular single multi-function binacle.  The only thing it lacks is the "neutral mode" detent or slide engagement idle mode, correct?
And you've mounted it already, and it works except for the idle mode?

Again,
I could be wrong here but when I spoke with the guy on e-bay about this model (as linked by Marc) he clearly stated that it is a single lever with a single function (as Bob C stated) and can only control either or but not both.

The give-a way would be...
Does it have two arms that allow separate control cables to be attached. One for each function.
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March 25, 2010, 08:27:08 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2010, 08:27:08 PM »
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So what you bought was, in essence, a binacle control that has a neutral, Fwd, Rev plus the throttle - like a regular single multi-function binacle.  The only thing it lacks is the "neutral mode" detent or slide engagement idle mode, correct?
Yep, That's what I thought/think I bought
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And you've mounted it already, and it works except for the idle mode?
No, I didn't installed it yet

Marc..
1979 170 Aquasport 70hp Evinrude

March 25, 2010, 08:30:53 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2010, 08:30:53 PM »
This is the way single lever controls work like the Morse S, or the Marpac unit Marc bought.  There is a single "butterfly" inside the housing. This allows you to hook up the cable for either "push", or "pull".  That is the ONLY function that lever will control.  If that is the shift binnacle, it will control shift, if it is the throttle binnacle, it will control throttle. One single binnacle will not control both...

Marc, you need a twin binnacle.  On twin engine installs, one uses (2) twin binnacles, one for shifts, the other for throttles.  Look at the helm of a classic sportfish like a Viking or Post.  That's the setup you see...

So swap your's out for a twin, but check your footprint before you commit... :thumright:


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March 25, 2010, 08:34:45 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2010, 08:34:45 PM »
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Marc,

I don't think (I could very well be wrong) that you really want to fab something up to control the shift (or throttle) that works (or looks) much different than these type control devices.
NoNo, I would fab something just to had throttle while warming up, should be as simple as pulling a mechanical choke

Marc..
1979 170 Aquasport 70hp Evinrude

March 25, 2010, 08:56:01 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2010, 08:56:01 PM »
Marc,
I don't mean to be blunt here (maybe I do... :( ), but your single lever control will only control ONE function, shift or throttle, but not both!  You will either need another control, or swap it out for a twin binnacle...no ifs, ands, or buts...that's the deal.

I apologize for the abruptness, but I have installed a bunch of these controls, that's just the way they work... :?

Bob C


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March 25, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2010, 10:07:30 PM »
Thanks Seabob, thanks guys, just wish that control was advertised as a shift OR throttle control instead of  shift and throttle control. At least I know more about the subject now

But since I'm a stubborn type of guy, I'm not giving up just yet
Stay tuned  :mrgreen:
Marc..
1979 170 Aquasport 70hp Evinrude

March 26, 2010, 05:24:27 AM
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Re: Separate idle control
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2010, 05:24:27 AM »
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Again, I could be wrong here but when I spoke with the guy on e-bay about this model (as linked by Marc) he clearly stated that it is a single lever with a single function (as Bob C stated) and can only control either or but not both.
Makes sense.
Rick
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1992 230 Explorer with 250 Yamaha

 


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