Question for SeaRob4

[Mark Sr]

Hi,

What's the difference between the following:
222 ccp
22-2 ccp

Also I'm looking at a 78' 222 ccp hull if it's still available.Why do the have the large splash well area? Is it a problem for water when standing in back.Can that area of transom be closed up and glassed?
Thanks for info in advance.Any photos of this boat? This one has coffin box also.

Mark Sr

[RickK]

Mark, the CCPs are WAY before Bob's time at Aquasport.  Let's let the people that have them respond.

[Capt. Bob]

CCP?
Large splash well?
That's like asking the meaning of life. It robs a lot of good usable space and several members have removed that area and/or closed in the transom. http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4736

http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/780

No problem standing back there unless you weigh a lot

[Mark Sr]

Rick,

I've ask you questions before.Can you answer what the difference is between the way the post the number 222 or 22-2.

Mark Sr

[seabob4]

Mark, the CCPs are WAY before Bob's time at Aquasport.  Let's let the people that have them respond.

Rick,
Thank you!  I guess back in '78, when I was a senior in HS back in Chicago, I should have known this stuff...

[Capt. Bob]

222 or 22-2 both mean centerline length 22'-2"
be it a CCP or older model Aquasport hull.

[GoneFission]

The 22-2 CCP became the 222CCP in 1981.  The 1981 model year marked the first major changes in the CCP model line.  Most notable changes included a new dash "deluxe command console" for the console and a smaller spashwell at the transom.  The hull, liner, and coffin remained about the same.  All the CCP models dropped the hypen in 1981.  Specs for draft, weight, capacity, and power rating all stayed the same.  

The spashwell on a 1978 would be very similar to the one on my 1980 model - I would recommend keeping it unless you are planning to enclose the tramsom and put a bracket on her:



Hope this helps - see ya on the water!

[Mark Sr]

Thanks Guys,

That answers my questions.The only concern I have is the wasted space with the splash well taking up so much space.

Mark Sr

[RickK]

Find a 230 Osprey and you'll get the best of both worlds - deep gunnels/sides like a CCP + a casting deck + a big boat inside (no splashwell like the CCP).

[Mark Sr]

Rick,

Are all the Osprey's 2' larger than there number.Is that because of the swim platform? Do you have any photos of different models?

Mark Sr

[RickK]

Rick,

Are all the Osprey's 2' larger than there number.Is that because of the swim platform? Do you have any photos of different models?

Mark Sr

Hi Mark,
Back in the "old" days a boats model size was usually it's Length Over All (LOA) and pretty much it's usable space. My 170s LOA is 17ft measured centerline transom to bow and is open and usable in all areas.  When the mfrs started closing in the transom and bolting on engine brackets the boats LOA didn't change, just the usable space shrunk by the thickness of the enclosed transom - so a 20 ft boat was still close to 20 ft of usable space plus the boats total LOA grew by the length of the bracket. Then the mfrs started "integrating" the engine bracket meaning in essense, they just moved what we knew as the "back of the boat" toward the front usually enough so you could tilt the engines up - about 2+ ft.  They however didn't change the LOA of the boat (nor the model size being sold) and you lost usable room by the distance from the engine(s) to the inside of the "new back of the boat".  So now if you want a usable 17ft boat you need to buy a 19ft or 20ft boat.  If they include an anchor pulpit in the mold of the liner or hull, then that too is included, sometimes, in the LOA - so you may end up with a 13-14ft boat of usable space being sold as a 17ft boat.  I haven't measured my 230 centerline but it is open in the back and has 100% usable space so I assume it to be 23ft LOA PLUS bow pulpit since it is a bolt on.



If you look at this spec sheet it says the LOA on the 230 is 25'11", so are they adding the bow pulpit or the engine bracket, or both - which are both bolted on. At least they are "adding" to the boat size (i.e. 230 is actually 25'11") instead of taking away "space" in the LOA (i.e. 25'11" model name is actually 22'6" usable).
Kind of like the way everything else is going now - a pound of bacon is now 12 oz, a pound of coffee is less that a pound, etc.

Hope this helps.

[Mark Sr]

Rick,

Thanks for info.I understand what you're saying.The reason I asked was I took your advice and started looking at the osprey's.I like the 22'and the 245 because of the molded swim platform with the transom door.My knees are shot and this would make it easier to get in the boat.Do you have any brocure's on these boats from late 90's.

Mark Sr