Basic Classic Aquasport Information Wanted

[Capt.Joe]

I'm looking to buy a classic 222 to rebuild. Right now I'm looking at a 1968 and a 1975. Here are my questions:

What's the difference between the early and late models?

What's the carrying capacity and weight limit of a 222?

What's a fair market price for just the hull of the two models?

What's the average cost for a total rebuild?

Thank you!

[theFunsmith]

I am relatively new to the group here but I will try to assist. The 68 should be a flat back with a pretty flat bottom, and the 75 should be a 12 degree modified V hull. The 68 will be able to run a little shallower, the 75 should track a little better in corners and handle chop a little better. I have seen a lot of hulls needing complete rebuilds for between $500-1500, depending on location, trailers, etc.

Cost for a rebuild is a huge spectrum and will depend on materials chosen, and the total scope of the rebuild (power, structural, electronics, hardware etc.) I would estimate most people rebuilding these spend between 10K and 30K. A running joke in the boat community is that the only right answer to the question "How much does it cost to build a boat?" is "Every extra dollar you've got."

[Capt.Joe]

Thank you so much for the feedback. I really appreciate it!

I know it depends a lot on the weight of the boat, but are the static drafts of both hulls similar?
Is one better than the other?

I'm looking to rebuild this boat for my charter business.

[RickK]

The drafts are close - 7" for the flatback (hull only) and 9" for the 12 degree hull.
The difference in operation of the hulls is that the newer 12 degree is a planing hull with lifting strake to help get the hull up and over the bow wave as it gains speed. The FB has no lifting strake and never really planes off - the hull slices through the water and the hull rises toward the top of the water as it's speed increases. The 12 degree hull requires more HP to get on plane while the FB was designed for as little as a 75 hp engine. You'll see many FBs with 90 hp on them and it seems the ideal hp that you can comfortably handle is a 150.  The 12 degree are more stable in the water and in turns but really are performance dogs unless you start with 150hp and up.  The FB gets a little squirrely at higher speed and has a tendency to "bow steer" meaning that it can pull unexpectedly when you hit a wave and can change the direction of travel by 90 or more degrees in an instant.
That being said, both hulls are sought after by charter captains.  Some guys would actually like to have a 24' FB but that length was not made. Proline made a 24' FB.  We have a lot of Proline owners here - see the "Other Classic Rebuilds" forum.
Hope this helps.

[Capt.Joe]

Great information! This whole time I was really set on the early FB models because of the shallow draft, but as a captain the later 222 models seem like a better fit. If shipping from the north to Florida wasn't so expensive I would definitely be buying the 24' model.

If and when I buy my project boat, I'll be sure to add to progress to the forum.

[Capt.Joe]

Now that I'm considering a 1975 222, how comfortable does it REALLY ride in chop? What wave height would make one weary?

Are these boats "tippy"? On rough days are you obligated to run at "panga speed" or slow speeds for a risen bow?

Sorry for the questions but I need to know what I'm getting into!

[Capt. Bob]

Light reading:

https://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=13425.msg134800#msg134800

https://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=11029.msg107848#msg107848
Reply #37 has limited performance #s in this thread.

https://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=7095.msg51751#msg5175

Good Luck.

[dirtwheelsfl]

How much of a project?   May know of a 12 degree 222 here in stuart...

[fitz73222]

Now that I'm considering a 1975 222, how comfortable does it REALLY ride in chop? What wave height would make one weary?

Are these boats "tippy"? On rough days are you obligated to run at "panga speed" or slow speeds for a risen bow?

Sorry for the questions but I need to know what I'm getting into!

I have run the 22-2 12 degree boats for 40 years starting off rigging and driving them in the mid 70's and owning them from time to time and own one now, a 73' 22-2. Most of my experience has been running them in the Atlantic out of Daytona. I have had them in seas that were way to big for the design and was always amazed at how they performed. They had a very low planing speed that allowed you get on top and drive through big sets without having to go through them. With twin 65 's she could plane cleanly at 20 knots and max at 33 knots with a full load. Mine has two 115's and is a complete waste of HP and very stern heavy.  If decided to commit funds to a repower I would go with 2 F70 Yamahas in a heartbeat and fall back in love with the boat again. These were wonderful boats back in the day and did most everything very well, including stable at rest when we bottom fished out of them and still desirable today but they are not 50 mph wave bashers  and not a high performance boat by any means. It was a boat designed for Florida and the Bahamas when times were much different and we had different expectations. 

[Capt.Joe]

Great info Fitz! I'm looking for a full renovation project so I could design everything the way I need it. I guess if the transom and stringers were completed I wouldn't complain.

[Capt.Joe]

Does anyone have information on a 1976 24? I.e. Draft, beam, etc

[boatnamesue]

The drafts are close - 7" for the flatback (hull only) and 9" for the 12 degree hull.
The difference in operation of the hulls is that the newer 12 degree is a planing hull with lifting strake to help get the hull up and over the bow wave as it gains speed. The FB has no lifting strake and never really planes off - the hull slices through the water and the hull rises toward the top of the water as it's speed increases. The 12 degree hull requires more HP to get on plane while the FB was designed for as little as a 75 hp engine. You'll see many FBs with 90 hp on them and it seems the ideal hp that you can comfortably handle is a 150.  The 12 degree are more stable in the water and in turns but really are performance dogs unless you start with 150hp and up.  The FB gets a little squirrely at higher speed and has a tendency to "bow steer" meaning that it can pull unexpectedly when you hit a wave and can change the direction of travel by 90 or more degrees in an instant.
That being said, both hulls are sought after by charter captains.  Some guys would actually like to have a 24' FB but that length was not made. Proline made a 24' FB.  We have a lot of Proline owners here - see the "Other Classic Rebuilds" forum.
Hope this helps.

Excellent synopsis Rickk!

[RickK]

3 models used the same hull - the 240 center console, 240 side console and the 240 cuddy
http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13272&title=as-24-cuddy&cat=545

http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=563

[GulfcoastOG]

How much of a project?   May know of a 12 degree 222 here in stuart...

Any details? I’m looking for one currently.