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November 10, 2013, 08:49:11 PM
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Re: proper grounding on a gas tank
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2013, 08:49:11 PM »
Agreed.
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November 10, 2013, 08:52:22 PM
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Re: proper grounding on a gas tank
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2013, 08:52:22 PM »
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First, in response to Rick's question.  On a poly tank install, no bonding is necessary, not even the fill.  Any physical contact with the tank (through the fill hose) is with a non-conductor...plastic.  Thus, no static electricity can accumulate.  

What I would suggest on the tank sender (I think this is your big gripe here, Scotty...) is quality adhesive lined heat shrink terminals, a proper application of either dielectric grease or anti-corrosion spray, and stick with the gauge wire that does the trick...16GA.  Yes, you can step up to 14GA, but with a proper install, and proper maintainance, the 14 won't offer any less resistance than the 16.

The problem with tank senders and the wiring turning into something that looks like a spore colony in a petri dish is that nobody pays any attention to them!!  How many people pull their inspection pies and look at their wiring on a yearly basis?  How about every 6 months?  I'd say about 5% of the boater population.  And how many people, when they see a bit of water accumulating on top of their tank, stop their boating activities until they can track down the source and eliminate it?  I'd say about .05%!  

The point I'm trying to make is that there is no CORRECT wire size for bonding.  Yes, in theory, if the bonding system is part of a lightning protection system, and thus is terminated to a Dynaplate in contact with the water, then I would want 8GA.  But trust me, with the copious amounts of voltage a direct hit can produce, even 4/0 cable will be toast!!  The key is proper install and maintainance.  That keeps the resistance to a minimum, and keeps nasty little critters from colonizing on top of your sender...


That is exactly the general boat owner's experience. Pop up the pie, and there is a green mass from Mars.

Seems to be worse when connected to a panel fuel guage....

Good stuff SB.

November 10, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
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Re: proper grounding on a gas tank
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2013, 10:15:27 PM »
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Bob, you are correct, E-01 does state that any metallic components of the fuel system must be grounded.  However, as an "out", typically, on new boats, which is what I am used to, boats which have poly tanks typically have plastic fills.

So, to be clear, if I am going with a poly tank and a metal fill, should I at least bond the fill?  Is there anything wrong with bonding the whole thing as if it was a metal tank?
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November 11, 2013, 12:00:20 AM
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Re: proper grounding on a gas tank
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2013, 12:00:20 AM »
Nothing wrong with that thought process at all, Craig...


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November 11, 2013, 07:49:28 AM
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Re: proper grounding on a gas tank
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2013, 07:49:28 AM »
Quote from: "CLM65"
]So, to be clear, if I am going with a poly tank and a metal fill, should I at least bond the fill?  Is there anything wrong with bonding the whole thing as if it was a metal tank?

If you plan on having a fuel gauge on the tank, you will (to some degree) be bonding the tank through the gauge ground. Some polys come with a dedicated ground I believe.

Remember, many objects can support a static charge, not just metallic ones. When the conditions are right, humans discharge all the time. The point here is to prevent the chance of a charge building up while fueling or prior to. Fuel sloshing in a tank, be it alum or poly can do it as well a fuel flowing through the pump nozzle into the tank.

Old school advice when fueling is to keep the nozzle in contact with the fill at all times during the fueling. Don't start fueling, leave the nozzle locked and sit back in the vehicle. The static build up is on you and can be discharged to the nozzle/fill.
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November 11, 2013, 02:13:34 PM
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Re: proper grounding on a gas tank
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2013, 02:13:34 PM »
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When the conditions are right, humans discharge all the time.

I know quite a few who discharge more often than others, even when the conditions are not right!
Craig

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