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April 09, 2013, 07:41:12 PM
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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2013, 07:41:12 PM »
The color Red works for me.

April 09, 2013, 09:38:56 PM
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Re: Possible outboards for my Osprey VIDEO IS UPLOADED!!!!!
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2013, 09:38:56 PM »
Let me try a better description of the sound the motor is making. I have been thinking about this for 3 days and to me as you get up close to the powerhead it sounds like a valve or lifter tapping on a four stroke. But of course it isn't. The noise is very noticeable even 10 feet away, I am just not sure of the reason or the exact location. The motors were run in the Gulf for there entire life but were flushed and then kept in a warehouse after each trip. They have none or very, very little corrosion showing on the outside. The gear lube in the lowers was old and not real dark with absolutely no evidence of water.
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April 09, 2013, 11:32:39 PM
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Re: Possible outboards for my Osprey VIDEO IS UPLOADED!!!!!
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2013, 11:32:39 PM »
I had to switch to better speakers to really hear it over the exhaust....  Amy heard it first and then I did... it's at a much faster speed than I thought it would be.  But the noise is clearly there.
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April 10, 2013, 12:10:55 AM
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Re: Possible outboards for my Osprey VIDEO IS UPLOADED!!!!!
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2013, 12:10:55 AM »
Quote from: "slvrlng"
Let me try a better description of the sound the motor is making. I have been thinking about this for 3 days and to me as you get up close to the powerhead it sounds like a valve or lifter tapping on a four stroke. But of course it isn't. The noise is very noticeable even 10 feet away, I am just not sure of the reason or the exact location. The motors were run in the Gulf for there entire life but were flushed and then kept in a warehouse after each trip. They have none or very, very little corrosion showing on the outside. The gear lube in the lowers was old and not real dark with absolutely no evidence of water.

Lewis, that is a perfect way to try and explain the sound. It is like a lifter tap, it is high up the motor. It almost sounds like the spark plug is hitting the piston.

April 10, 2013, 12:34:00 AM
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Re: Possible outboards for my Osprey VIDEO IS UPLOADED!!!!!
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2013, 12:34:00 AM »
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Lew,
I really can't hear the engine noise as you describe; not to say it's not there, I just can't hear it with distinction. Now the quick way to check for wrist pin or rod  bearing issues is to remove all the spark plugs and preferably the lower unit to eliminate water pump drag and roll the engine over by hand and feel for the clearance by getting the each piston to TDC and just roll it just an RCH (or the color of your choice) past TDC and take a Phillips screwdriver and push on the piston through the spark plug hole and try to feel the clunk when you re-load the bearing against the internal clearance.  It's redneck but it works. Looking at the headgasket joints, these engines are really clean or the heads have been off, or they've never seen salt. If I was within reasonable traveling distance,I would go listen to them but its not practical for me plus I don't like making used engine acquisition decisions for someone 3000 miles away. So my decision would be to add $3000 to whatever the negotiated purchase price is and calculate if its still a good deal considering the price of new engines minus what Bryan could sell his 250 Yami for. The time to go inside the engine and look around before it blows up is now, before it damages other components. I would negotiate the engine noise if its real and allow for it.
My $1.385

Farley, thanks so much for your opinion and the tricks.
I really appreciate it.

No one is on the line here for an opinion.
I will most likely buy with the intention of installing a power head before I ever use it.
I appreciate any and all opinions on this.
We defiantly hear a knock, we just don't know what it is.
I do believe it is in the upper portion of the powerhead, like a rod or a wrist pin.
If Chipper and I make a deal, I will be installing a powerhead, maybe rebuilding this one if it can be?

Again, I appreciate all the opinions, I understand what I would be buying in advanced.

June 15, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
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Re: Possible outboards for my Osprey VIDEO IS UPLOADED!!!!!
« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2013, 02:44:39 PM »
OK, out of the blue I called Chipper the other day.
We spoke for awhile and I asked about the outboards.
He still has them and was pending on what to do with them.
I upped my offer and it looks like we have a deal.
He wanted till Monday to think about it, However, he was very happy with my
offer and said it sounds good, he would get them ready to ship.
So, after some months going back and forth, looks like we have a deal.
I will most likely replace the powerhead on the one with the knock we hear.
My question is this.
Should I take off the powerhead and have it rebuilt?
It is running and has a knock, would I be better off
than buying a rebuilt powerhead?

Just thinking about my options and what I can or should do

Thanks

Bryan

June 15, 2013, 05:36:06 PM
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Re: Possible outboards for my Osprey VIDEO IS UPLOADED!!!!!
« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2013, 05:36:06 PM »
Hi Bryan,
I would absolutely rebuild what you have over finding another "rebuilt" powerhead. The damage at this point sounds minimal. Might be just a bearing and someone competent can disassemble it, assess the damage and make repairs. There is much risk trying to find an honest reman engine that's not built from multiple engine engine donors with used parts. I'm getting ready to do surgery on one of my 115's that's had a rattle for 3 years and I can't stand it anymore. The engine runs perfect but has a rattle that needs to be addressed. I've spent hours listening to it and I believe it is either a top bearing or#
1 rod bearing so I'm going to tear her down for exploratory surgery. The compression is perfect. So to completely re- bearing  and re seal the engine with  the special tools I need is about a $1K, and when it's done I have no worries that it was assembled correctly and should have no surprises.
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June 15, 2013, 06:10:26 PM
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Re: Possible outboards for my Osprey VIDEO IS UPLOADED!!!!!
« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2013, 06:10:26 PM »
Quote from: "fitz73222"
Hi Bryan,
I would absolutely rebuild what you have over finding another "rebuilt" powerhead. The damage at this point sounds minimal. Might be just a bearing and someone competent can disassemble it, assess the damage and make repairs. There is much risk trying to find an honest reman engine that's not built from multiple engine engine donors with used parts. I'm getting ready to do surgery on one of my 115's that's had a rattle for 3 years and I can't stand it anymore. The engine runs perfect but has a rattle that needs to be addressed. I've spent hours listening to it and I believe it is either a top bearing or#
1 rod bearing so I'm going to tear her down for exploratory surgery. The compression is perfect. So to completely re- bearing  and re seal the engine with  the special tools I need is about a $1K, and when it's done I have no worries that it was assembled correctly and should have no surprises.

I agree with you with keeping the same motor and not getting an assembled parts motor.

Is this something you would be interested  in doing the rebuild of it?

June 16, 2013, 01:49:52 PM
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Re: Possible outboards for my Osprey VIDEO IS UPLOADED!!!!!
« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2013, 01:49:52 PM »
Well, good news  :scratch:
Looks like we have a deal!
(good or bad, not sure)

 


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