Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Osprey Style Hull Rebuilds => Flatback 22-2 Rebuilds => Topic started by: Aswaff400 on October 15, 2012, 10:03:55 AM
Title: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 15, 2012, 10:03:55 AM
just started work on the flattie, removed the bracing that john built when he flipped the hull to sand the bottom. starting to cut out the middle stringer and grind out any damaged spots... will post pics later :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Capt Matt on October 15, 2012, 06:42:02 PM
The joy of 5 stringers wide and 40 yr old bedding putty looking for some more pictures Capt Matt
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 15, 2012, 08:25:22 PM
so, today, i dug into the flattie. got all of the foam out of the middle stringer, cut a large chunk of the stinger out, and cut almost all the foam out of the port stinger... all the foam pulled out pretty easily. <!-- s:cheers: -->:cheers:<!-- s:cheers: -->
water was dripping out of this one without even squeezing the foam... SOAKED! (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121015_144221.jpg)
this chunk had to weigh at least 70 lbs (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121015_153806.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on October 15, 2012, 08:38:55 PM
I pulled around 1200# out of mine. That included the liner and decks though. How well are the stringers attached?
Getcha a bigger fan too!!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 15, 2012, 08:43:07 PM
the stringers are in better shape than i originally thought. couple spots are cracked from the demolition, but should glass back pretty easily, theres almost no delamination... the fan is mostly used to suck the grinding dust away when i use the angle grinder. works pretty good.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on October 15, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
Alright Aaron!! Know you're having fun... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 16, 2012, 01:37:09 PM
got 99% of the foam out, pulled out in large chunks pretty easy, also cut the 2 outer stringers so additional glass can be added along the chines. the port stringer is in excellent condition, and the middle stringer is on pretty good condition also, the starboard stinger has some rough spots where the bonding putty broke loose when the deck was being ripped out, nothing a little glass wont fix. pics will come later, time to go get some FOOD :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 16, 2012, 06:43:40 PM
filled the back of the truck, one bag of foam didnt make it (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121016_183843.jpg)
how she's currently sitting (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121016_183929.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on October 16, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Excellent Aaron! :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on October 16, 2012, 08:30:25 PM
Stringers look well bonded. Getting rid of the liner?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 22, 2012, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: "dirtwheelsfl"
Stringers look well bonded. Getting rid of the liner?
the port and middle stringer and the port side of the starbord stringer are in great shape, and rock solid, the starboard side of the stringer got damaged when the deck was ripped out, will glass it back down inside and out, and add additional glass to the whole inside of the boat.
scott, this one is for you, she has a glassed cap (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121022_104041.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dburr on October 22, 2012, 11:05:02 AM
Any time a gas powered leaf blower is involved in demo is a GOOD time :mrgreen: ! Just bumming that an 8 foot Johnson bar wasn't in the picture too... :shock: :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 22, 2012, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: "dburr"
Any time a gas powered leaf blower is involved in demo is a GOOD time :mrgreen: ! Just bumming that an 8 foot Johnson bar wasn't in the picture too... :shock: :salut:
if the boat was at work, there probably would have been lol
meeting with a sandblaster on Wednesday or thursday at my work for an estimate, anyone know any sandblasters in pinellas?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on October 22, 2012, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
Quote from: "dirtwheelsfl"
Stringers look well bonded. Getting rid of the liner?
the port and middle stringer and the port side of the starbord stringer are in great shape, and rock solid, the starboard side of the stringer got damaged when the deck was ripped out, will glass it back down inside and out, and add additional glass to the whole inside of the boat.
scott, this one is for you, she has a glassed cap (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121022_104041.jpg)
Sweet!!
You're really gonna enjoy this boat :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: wessnapp on October 22, 2012, 11:48:39 AM
A high school classmate owns Bayside Sandblasting. If you call that company, tell Keith Begin I said hello.
I drove by earlier today to see if you were working....I'll try stopping by later.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 22, 2012, 06:36:45 PM
Quote from: "wessnapp"
A high school classmate owns Bayside Sandblasting. If you call that company, tell Keith Begin I said hello.
I drove by earlier today to see if you were working....I'll try stopping by later.
wes, any time you see the f250 home feel free to stop by.
the flattie is going back to the marina on wednesday or thursday, going to get the sea ray monday morning and bring it home for "winter maintenance"
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 30, 2012, 12:52:50 PM
busy day today, dropped the boat off at bayside sandblasting, should get it back either later today or tomorrow. stopped over at dons salvage, got a nice fiberglass livewell for 40 bucks, should fit nicely in the transom, looks to be about 20-25 gallons. stopped by Bruce's shop to say hello. went and got the title transferred for the FB, and yes i got the antique vessel registration.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Capt Matt on October 31, 2012, 08:25:54 AM
$6.25 a year gotta love it Capt Matt
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 06, 2012, 01:05:29 PM
got a whole lot of grinding done last 2 days, all thats left is to grind the inside of the forward middle stringer, and a couple spots i missed... went and got the first stage of supplies yesterday, got 4 rolls of glass(24oz stitch mat, 1708, 1.5 mat), and 5 gallons of vinylester resin, should be enough to start with. may be able to start glassing stuff next week... :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on November 06, 2012, 01:40:26 PM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
got a whole lot of grinding done last 2 days, all thats left is to grind the inside of the forward middle stringer, and a couple spots i missed... went and got the first stage of supplies yesterday, got 4 rolls of glass(24oz stitch mat, 1708, 1.5 mat), and 5 gallons of vinylester resin, should be enough to start with. may be able to start glassing stuff next week... :cheers:
Watch those ambient temps Aaron. Almost time to start with the winter mix of MEKP...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Group W Bench on November 06, 2012, 02:07:51 PM
Aaron,
Be SURE to kick vinylester resin at 2% or more. It will not properly cure and adhere if kicked under 2%. You can kick poly as low as 0.75% with no problem, but vinylester is a whole different kettle of fish is kicked under 2%.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on November 06, 2012, 02:14:16 PM
Quote from: "Group W Bench"
Aaron,
Be SURE to kick vinylester resin at 2% or more. It will not properly cure and adhere if kicked under 2%. You can kick poly as low as 0.75% with no problem, but vinylester is a whole different kettle of fish is kicked under 2%.
THAT....would suck!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 06, 2012, 05:18:26 PM
Quote from: "Group W Bench"
Aaron,
Be SURE to kick vinylester resin at 2% or more. It will not properly cure and adhere if kicked under 2%. You can kick poly as low as 0.75% with no problem, but vinylester is a whole different kettle of fish is kicked under 2%.
thanks for the info, my dads friend who will be helping me on this told me we'll kick around 2.5 to 3% we have enough to kick at 5 % lol
cant wait to start gluing it back together!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 12, 2012, 06:39:52 PM
decided to completely gut the forward stringers and grind everything out and glass them back. QUESTION: should i completely remove the middle stringer or leave the sections like in my pics above? (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121112_160930.jpg)
and so far only one injury, caught the tip of my finger with a 36 grit flapper wheel today...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Capt Matt on November 12, 2012, 06:48:47 PM
I see you removed the very outer stringers, just about impossible to scrape out? Amazing how clean looking you got her If your building a new casting deck remove the stringer and use the storage under the floor if you are putting the original casting platform back in leave it Just my 2 cents Capt Matt
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 12, 2012, 07:06:10 PM
i dont have the original casting deck, will be building everything from scratch. so i thought about putting a fresh water tank in that space under the deck.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on November 12, 2012, 08:27:40 PM
Nice progress Aaron!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on November 12, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
Aaron,
You are getting a beautiful job young man.
I am pleased to first report that your Flatback is the DIVER model.
Yessir!!
Where the hammer and scraper are lying on the forward hull...just so happens to coincide with the former viewing windows.
Glassed over many years ago....but right there for all of us to see.
VERY cool... Congrats :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 13, 2012, 04:59:08 AM
Maybe not the Diver but maybe had the viewing windows. No platform off Starboard side.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 13, 2012, 06:10:00 AM
she wasn't a diver or had the Windows. I'll post a better pic of that area, when I ground down the extra glass from the stringer and bulkhead, the woven glass underneath is all uniform to the rest of the hull
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 13, 2012, 06:43:20 AM
That woven appears to be in the right area where the baitwell and viewing windows might have been though. So the question is why would those patches be there :scratch:
From another 68: (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data//500/6868_windows3.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 13, 2012, 07:32:24 AM
the outline where it looks like patches is extra glass i didnt grind down where they glassed the stringers and bulkhead...
heres a pic from when i started demo (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121015_102620.jpg)
heres pics as it sits (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/IMG_20121113_072619.jpg)
port side not completely ground down yet (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/IMG_20121113_072701.jpg)
starboard side mostly ground down (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/IMG_20121113_072714.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on November 13, 2012, 08:42:31 AM
Maybe the window cutout was part of the mold :scratch:
If it were to be a diver, install the lexan....if not, glass over it :scratch:
The stringers are funky there too, matches right up with that box Rick shows.
Another flatback mystery to be solved.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Group W Bench on November 13, 2012, 11:18:02 AM
Aaron,
You may have discovered this, but there is a strip of 3/4" plywood running down the center of the keel of this boat. If the keel has been worn down from beaching on the exterior, there will likely be saturation/rot of this wood keel insert. Removing the center stringer is the only way to access and remove this wood. I would eliminate the center stringer all together anyways, as if the outside stringers are beefed up and bulkheads added, the center stinger is superfluous anyway. At least that is what we are doing on the 68 Diver which we are currently restoring.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 13, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
well the new code enforcement guy stopped by(a neighbor complained) and introduced himself, saying that i cant have the boat in the driveway/yard from 8am monday to 5pm thursday i explained to him that my ONLY days off are monday and tuesday, i bring the boat home late sunday after work, its hitched up and out the driveway by 7 am wednesday, and eric (our old code enforcement guy) had no problem with this... i also said the boat will probably be in our driveway just about every monday and tuesday until completed. he said since we have a larger back yard, if we can get it behind the fence then he could care less about the boat and what the neighbors think...
we know which neighbor ALWAYS complains about the boats... i really hate living in the city some times(http://kenoshamargetwo.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bang-head-smiley1.gif?w=497)
on a side note the grinding is about 99% done for the inside of the hull. it is ready for glass..
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 13, 2012, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: "Group W Bench"
Aaron,
You may have discovered this, but there is a strip of 3/4" plywood running down the center of the keel of this boat. If the keel has been worn down from beaching on the exterior, there will likely be saturation/rot of this wood keel insert. Removing the center stringer is the only way to access and remove this wood.
Eugene, what do you think the intention of that strip of wood was in the original design? Based on an uneducated guess (mine :wink:) I would venture to say that it was not installed at the start of the original mold build unless it was after the first few layers of glass were installed (based on the "beaching" thought above) otherwise it would be very close to the "outside" of the hull. My 170 had a gouge in it from a previous owner that I didn't see and that gouge eventually allowed water to wick up and into the foam in the front half of the boat. Now I'm ready to rebuild the boat (and motor). I see the strip in all the older boats including my 170 (replaced sole once already) but not sure what the internal value is. At some point I thought it was a standoff for the fuel tank....
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dburr on November 14, 2012, 08:39:52 AM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
he said since we have a larger back yard, if we can get it behind the fence then he could care less about the boat and what the neighbors think...
we know which neighbor ALWAYS complains about the boats... i really hate living in the city some times(http://kenoshamargetwo.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bang-head-smiley1.gif?w=497)
on a side note the grinding is about 99% done for the inside of the hull. it is ready for glass..
Yes but what he is NOT telling you is you have to apply to the HOA for a variance to the HOA rule X sub para Z1a to widen your gate so the boat will fit through. :shock: Because the gate will no longer be grandfathered the city will now have to be notified and a permit applied for and the fee will be $267,000 because it now is being built in a flood zone and has to meet the criteria imposed by the Army Crops of Engineers for levies and flood gates.. :roll: :roll:
You know which neighbor it is? My Dad was a radio engineer and figured out how to build an ultrasonic annoyance transmitter. I was like 5 so I don't remover much about it other then when it was on and running you had absolutely no desire to be in front of it.. Sounds like you gotta find one of those gizmos and aim it JUST right...
You have my deepest sympathy...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: saltfly on November 14, 2012, 09:19:30 AM
That’s why when we retired, we bought 5 acres of property on a small back road. Its in the woods, with a farm behind me and 65 acres of woods across the road. Being in the woods, lets me do what ever I want, with out neighbors complaining. I can go out on the back porch and take a wiz if I want, and not have any one complain or complaining about getting a shower down below. :jocolor: :thumright: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Group W Bench on November 14, 2012, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: "RickK"
Quote from: "Group W Bench"
Aaron,
You may have discovered this, but there is a strip of 3/4" plywood running down the center of the keel of this boat. If the keel has been worn down from beaching on the exterior, there will likely be saturation/rot of this wood keel insert. Removing the center stringer is the only way to access and remove this wood.
Eugene, what do you think the intention of that strip of wood was in the original design? Based on an uneducated guess (mine :wink:) I would venture to say that it was not installed at the start of the original mold build unless it was after the first few layers of glass were installed (based on the "beaching" thought above) otherwise it would be very close to the "outside" of the hull. My 170 had a gouge in it from a previous owner that I didn't see and that gouge eventually allowed water to wick up and into the foam in the front half of the boat. Now I'm ready to rebuild the boat (and motor). I see the strip in all the older boats including my 170 (replaced sole once already) but not sure what the internal value is. At some point I thought it was a standoff for the fuel tank....
Rick,
The strip of 3/4" ply is glassed into the keel indention in the mold. They layup is as follows: 1) Gelcoat entire hull mold 2) Skin coat entire hull mold in chop strand mat 3) 24 oz roving and putty in 1" keel running down boat 4) Level off putty with bottom of hull 5) 24 oz roving 6) Chop strand mat 7) 24 oz roving
That is the basic original factory laminate schedule of these old flatbacks. It is much easier to fill the keel w/ wood and putty and level off with the bottom of the hull, as the subsequent laminates are simply laid atop a flat surface. If they glassed all of the lams into the keel recess, it would take substantially more time to roll out the material in the hard narrow corners. Filling with wood and putty saved them hours of labor.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: wessnapp on November 14, 2012, 11:28:22 AM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
well the new code enforcement guy stopped by(a neighbor complained) and introduced himself, saying that i cant have the boat in the driveway/yard from 8am monday to 5pm thursday
Aaron, that is unbelievable. I am sorry to hear you were reported. Looks like it's time to place some pavers up to the side yard.... :roll:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Group W Bench on November 14, 2012, 11:48:15 AM
Wes,
Why did you call code enforcement on poor Aaron. That's just not right. ;)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CaptSteveBetz on November 14, 2012, 12:58:48 PM
I dont know about the city of St. Pete but in Tampa (from what I can remember) back when I got cited for a code violation they gave me 30 days to take care of it. If that is the case in St. Pete, let them cite you then keep working on it until a day or two before they come back out to reinspect. Once they have cleared it give it a few more days and bring it back and go to work. Let them cite you again and work another 30 days. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on November 14, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
That's a terrific idea Steve.
Aaron, go for it bro. Your nice neighbor deserves it. Too bad all of the grinding is done....you could have pointed the fan in the appropriate direction.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: wessnapp on November 14, 2012, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: "Group W Bench"
Wes,
Why did you call code enforcement on poor Aaron. That's just not right. ;)
I called because Aaron hadn't updated his thread recently and I wanted to give him something to talk about.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on November 14, 2012, 03:27:43 PM
Aaron, You can always bring her to my place if you want. Hell, my neighbor Fred behind us always wants to know, "Whatcha doin' now?" He's an old crabber from Miami. First time he saw a Vrod, he says, "WTF IS THAT!!!"
Interesting on the extra glass in what might have been the viewing window area of the hull. That didn't get there by accident. The mold for that hull most likely had "recievers" tooled in to accept the viewing windows. A standard boat would have mold inserts installed before the hull was laid up. Once the hull was pulled, there would be some finish work on the seams on the hull bottom, and some additional layers of glass laid down in the interior. Stamas did that exact process on the 31, 32, and 34 express, I/B versus O/B. I/B propshafts lived in tunnels, an O/B hull had inserts installed in the tunnels...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 14, 2012, 06:29:56 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
Aaron, You can always bring her to my place if you want. Hell, my neighbor Fred behind us always wants to know, "Whatcha doin' now?" He's an old crabber from Miami. First time he saw a Vrod, he says, "WTF IS THAT!!!"
one of my parents good friends owns about 2.5 acres in pinellas park, off 62nd street. has a 5000 sq ft barn 3 bay doors on one side, 2 on the other, full paint booth, 400 cfm compressor, said im more than welcome to use it any time i have a project... the plus side its right down the street from my dads friend who will be helping me with the glass...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Danew20 on November 14, 2012, 06:32:54 PM
Know right about where that is.. On a plus side pro marine warehouse is across the street as well!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 14, 2012, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: "Group W Bench"
Rick,
The strip of 3/4" ply is glassed into the keel indention in the mold. They layup is as follows: 1) Gelcoat entire hull mold 2) Skin coat entire hull mold in chop strand mat 3) 24 oz roving and putty in 1" keel running down boat 4) Level off putty with bottom of hull 5) 24 oz roving 6) Chop strand mat 7) 24 oz roving
That is the basic laminate schedule of these old flatbacks. It is much easier to fill the keel w/ wood and putty and level off with the bottom of the hull, as the subsequent laminates are simply laid atop a flat surface. If they glassed all of the lams into the keel recess, it would take substantially more time to roll out the material in the hard narrow corners. Filling with wood and putty saved them hours of labor.
Wow, so it was a filler. As you see in Aaron's boat the wood is pretty high, that's why I thought they used it for support of other items like the fuel tank.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Group W Bench on November 14, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
Rick,
No, Aaron has not yet gotten to the 3/4 inch plywood to which I am referring. He just removed the center foam filled stringer. You have to cut the hull laminates down the centerline of the boat to extract the plywood that we were discussing.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 14, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Oh, I see. So after you remove the wood you fill the gap back in with...putty? Chop? mat? All of the above?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Group W Bench on November 14, 2012, 08:20:41 PM
We lay 3/4 mat, 2 x 1708 and then bed Nidacore strips from the scrap pile in Arjay bonding putty and smooth out with a squeegee. Subsequent lams go over top when glassing bottom of boat.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 14, 2012, 08:45:05 PM
Got it, thanks. Probably will have to deal with that on my rebuild too.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on November 22, 2012, 10:28:32 PM
Aaron,
Are your stringers are one continuous liner? I don't have all of my foam out yet, but all of the pics I have seen appear to be individual stringers. This does not seem to be the case in mine. :scratch:
Anyway, thanks for letting me know what you kind of setup you have.
Talk to you later.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 24, 2012, 05:39:45 PM
my stringers where all one continuous liner, i cut the outer stringers and the middle out and ground out quite a bit of the old liner... will be adding extra glass inside and out of the stringers...
started building a nice mold for the transom cap...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: LilRichard on November 27, 2012, 11:55:41 AM
Good to see you building a FlatBack! Looks like you're making good progress, and GWB is giving you very sound feedback.
I made the mistake of not taking the wood out of the keel when I did the inside... and had to do it from the outside while the boat was upside down. I also extended my keel a few feet aft to aid in the tracking of the boat... you may wish to do the same. That has to be done form the outside of course.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 03, 2012, 06:35:52 PM
heres what ive been up to last couple days...
made my template for the transom, and the trolling motor mount (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121119_131132.jpg)
started mockup for a transom cap mold (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121120_160510.jpg)
took took down 2 sections of fence and made a double gate to get the boat in the back yard and up on blocks. she's supported at 9 points around the hull, she's about as square as i can get her... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121126_104750.jpg)
started glassing the mold, formica glued to plywood. 1 layer 1.5oz mat, 1 to 2 layers 24 oz stitch mat, one layer of 1708. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121127_161830.jpg)
cut the flange off the livewell, ground down spots for a perfect fit, glassed to the cap with 1708 (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121203_150420.jpg)
test fit(sorry for the crappy pics) (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121203_173342.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: wingtime on December 03, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
Wow! Looks great Aaron! The transom cap is going to look nice. What are your plans for access and storage back there? It's hard to tell in the pics but how mush space is there for access to the inside of the transom for bracket mount bolts and such?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on December 03, 2012, 07:19:33 PM
Looks great!! Like how the livewell is part of the transom cap....slick!
Just compared your stringer system to Cally's '66. Exactly the same, dropped in as one piece and glued?/glassed to the hull skin.
These boats were WAY ahead of their time.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 03, 2012, 07:26:31 PM
thanks yall, it only took me a day and a half to make the cap, and i can say "I MADE IT" lol
right now there is about 6 inches from the back lower edge of the livewell to the transom skin so about 4 inches once the transom core is installed. i will move it closer to the transom once i know where the lower bracket bolts will go
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Capt Matt on December 03, 2012, 07:36:24 PM
your lower bracket bolts will probably be below the deck, I know mine are Looking good Capt Matt
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on December 04, 2012, 06:35:19 AM
That looks sweet man!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 04, 2012, 06:44:22 AM
Looks good Aaron. Was it hard to pop the glass off the formica? Did you wax it first or .... :scratch:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 04, 2012, 06:50:06 AM
i waxed it but isnt really necessary. pull out super easy.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 04, 2012, 05:27:55 PM
got the transom core cut and laminated together with layer of 1.5oz mat
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: wingtime on December 05, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
Looking good!
Did you cut down the flange of the livewell so it sets down inside of the lip you made in the cap? Or is that lip for a lid to sit in?
The transom core looks SWEET. What did you use?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 05, 2012, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: "wingtime"
Looking good!
Did you cut down the flange of the livewell so it sets down inside of the lip you made in the cap? Or is that lip for a lid to sit in?
The transom core looks SWEET. What did you use?
the flange is recessed into the cap 3/4 inch so a lid will fit in flush, i cut the flang off the livewell so it was easier to glass and fit tighter to the cap... the livewell opening is 6-1/4 by 18-1/2, the hatch size is 8 by 20-1/4
the core is 2 sheets 3/4" Penske board i got from Eugene
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on December 05, 2012, 06:47:09 PM
cut the flange off the livewell, ground down spots for a perfect fit, glassed to the cap with 1708
Got scared when i read that quickly haha. Thought you glassed it to the boat! I was just thinking man thats gonna be hell to do the transom now with that thing on the boat. Gonna add any coring to it outside of the livewell? Id think itll need it to eliminate flex. Toerail extensions look familiar :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 05, 2012, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: "dirtwheelsfl"
cut the flange off the livewell, ground down spots for a perfect fit, glassed to the cap with 1708
Got scared when i read that quickly haha. Thought you glassed it to the boat! I was just thinking man thats gonna be hell to do the transom now with that thing on the boat. Gonna add any coring to it outside of the livewell? Id think itll need it to eliminate flex. Toerail extensions look familiar :wink:
i plan to ad coring under the cap, and some bracing under the livewell
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 15, 2012, 06:25:07 PM
not much to post this week, started glassing the transom, filled in top portion level with the rest of the transom, and ground out and filled in a couple larger cracks... didnt really do much. weather last mon/tues screwed me up, and i ran out of resin.
taking tomorrow off so ill have a 3 day weekend, my dad is helping me on the transom. my goal is to have the transom done by late monday afternoon or tuesaday morning...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on December 15, 2012, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
not much to post this week, started glassing the transom, filled in top portion level with the rest of the transom, and ground out and filled in a couple larger cracks... didnt really do much. weather last mon/tues screwed me up, and i ran out of resin.
taking tomorrow off so ill have a 3 day weekend, my dad is helping me on the transom. my goal is to have the transom done by late monday afternoon or tuesaday morning...
There you go bud!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 15, 2012, 07:32:01 PM
yup bob, turns out i have almost a full week(7 days) of paid PTO time that i didnt know about on top of 8 days of vacation time left, 5 or 6 of which are being used next week(trip to TX)
i talked to my manager yesterday, i may take every other sunday off for the next month or so, so my dad can help me on the boat, she said its the slow time of year so she dont have a problem with it.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on December 15, 2012, 07:44:47 PM
COOL!
What up out in the seceding state? Christmas deal?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 16, 2012, 10:44:13 AM
yup bob, driving out there to visit grandparents and such for Christmas...
about to start laying up the transom. got everything pre cut ready to go, basically copying Eugene's lam schedule for the transom. even made some giant clamps to clamp the core to the lams
EDIT:
got the transom glassed and the core clamped, will let it set overnight and add the remaining glass in the morning.
my transom lam schedule so far: original skin 1-1/2oz mat 3 x 1708 2 x 1-1/2oz mat 3/4 penske board 1-1/2oz mat 3/4 penske board
will finish tomorrow with 3 layers of 1708 and everything is on a 4 to 6 inch overlap
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 16, 2012, 06:35:29 PM
Quote
got the transom glassed and the core clamped, will let it set overnight and add the remaining glass in the morning.
my transom lam schedule so far: original skin 1-1/2oz mat 3 x 1708 2 x 1-1/2oz mat 3/4 penske board 1-1/2oz mat 3/4 penske board
Nice progress Aaron :salut: So you built it all up at one time? What did you use for the clamps - I have bought 1/2" all-thread and intended on making 4 of the same type of clamp with landscape timbers. Did you get the outside board to keep the transom flat?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 16, 2012, 06:47:22 PM
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121204_115815.jpg) Forgot to ask, what goodies are in the bags :scratch:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 16, 2012, 06:51:13 PM
one roll of 1708, two rolls of 24oz stitch mat
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 16, 2012, 06:53:39 PM
What widths? 18"? What ya gonna use the mat for?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 16, 2012, 06:58:17 PM
12 inch rolls, the stitch-mat is for inside the stringers... i may just use 1708 0r 1808 for the stringers, i dont know yet, focused on getting the transom done.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 16, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
So you are going to re-use the stringer skins and beef them up? Mine are laying on the curb for the trash guy and I've not decided on building like stringers or going with 3lb foam boards.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 16, 2012, 07:25:06 PM
im just gonna beef them up and refoam...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 17, 2012, 06:01:52 PM
transom is done, got everything glassed, just need to grind a few spots down. also went to dons salvage to get the other livewell mold and picked up a couple hatch lids that would work perfect as swim platforms... will post a couple pics shortly...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on December 19, 2012, 07:44:24 PM
What happened to the photos Aaron? You didn't sniff too much resin and forget did you? :drunken:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 19, 2012, 09:45:23 PM
<!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> no, just getting ready for the drive out to texas saturday... <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
anyways, heres some pics... she may not look nice and pretty but this sumbich is rock solid! hammered most of the transom with a rubber mallet to find voids, she's solid!
picked up these 2 fiberglass hatch lids for 10 bucks each that will work perfect as swim platforms. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20121217_175210.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on December 19, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
Looking great Aaron! How are you going to fill the cutout area where the old transom glass is so it is all flush?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on December 19, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
Hell Aaron, Don's should have given them to ya... :roll:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 20, 2012, 03:28:23 AM
Quote from: "CLM65"
Looking great Aaron! How are you going to fill the cutout area where the old transom glass is so it is all flush?
cant tell from the pics but she is flush right now, before we started adding glass to the inside of the skin, i ground the edge all the way across witha a decent beveled edge, screwed a piece of plywood to the outside of the transom with a piece of formica in between, and filled in till it was flush with the rest of the skin. then started adding glass to the skin...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 20, 2012, 06:22:25 AM
Looks great Aaron. Today I start the same process. Have this front coming through tonight so that'll slow me down a bit. How short did you leave the core along the sides?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 20, 2012, 06:31:08 AM
before I layed any glass i made my core pretty much exact fit then shaved about 1/4 inch off the sides. I made the core about an inch too tall which I didn't mind as I wad unsure exactly how tall it needed to be. I also let the clamps sit on it overnight.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gman 82 aquasport on December 20, 2012, 07:45:32 AM
Looks good :thumright: Are you planning to beef the sides of the stringers up then pour your foam then cap them? And are you capping them with the 1708 also..transom looks solid, like the clamps :salut: what are you using as filets to fill the gaps around your new transom? I know , lot of ? :D
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 20, 2012, 06:13:33 PM
Quote from: "gman 82 aquasport"
Looks good :thumright: Are you planning to beef the sides of the stringers up then pour your foam then cap them? And are you capping them with the 1708 also..transom looks solid, like the clamps :salut: what are you using as filets to fill the gaps around your new transom? I know , lot of ? :D
i used putty made from chapped glass and resin to fill the voids. i plan to ad glass to the inside ant outside of the stringers cap them, punch some holes in them then pour foam down in them and seal them off when done.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on January 29, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
started work on the flatty again today. adding glass to the port stringer and chine... :cheers:
my goal to have it done by april is out the window... i moved it back to july 1st to have all the glass, paint, wiring, rigging, plumbing work done and ready to float minus hanging the motor.
.my 200 hp evinrude is for sale, open to offers, wont be reusing it
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on January 29, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
Mercury all the way! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on January 29, 2013, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: "Blue Agave"
Mercury all the way! :cheers:
Twin 75's :lol:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on January 29, 2013, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: "gran398"
Quote from: "Blue Agave"
Mercury all the way! :cheers:
Twin 75's :lol:
twins on a porta bracket would be cool, but she's getting a 175 optimax.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: OldSkool67 on January 29, 2013, 08:33:08 PM
Great progress Aaron. Looking forward to seeing it come along... maybe even hijack a few ideas from you along the way.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gman 82 aquasport on January 30, 2013, 08:00:06 AM
Post a pic of your stringers when you get them glassed :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 02, 2013, 06:19:11 PM
found a fuel tank that should fit nicely under the deck. its a v/belly tank, kinda in a wedge shape... 73 gallons. should give me a nice range when full... as bob says "better to have and not need than need and not have" http://www.iboats.com/73-Gallon-Fuel-Ta ... _id.686983 (http://www.iboats.com/73-Gallon-Fuel-Tank-86-L-x-25-16-W-x-11-75-H-Moeller/dm/cart_id.323784367--session_id.825976527--view_id.686983)
my goal is to have the stringers foamed and done by the end of the month.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on February 02, 2013, 06:25:55 PM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
found a fuel tank that should fit nicely under the deck. its a v/belly tank, kinda in a wedge shape... 73 gallons. should give me a nice range when full... as bob says "better to have and not need than need and not have" http://www.iboats.com/73-Gallon-Fuel-Ta ... _id.686983 (http://www.iboats.com/73-Gallon-Fuel-Tank-86-L-x-25-16-W-x-11-75-H-Moeller/dm/cart_id.323784367--session_id.825976527--view_id.686983)
Aaron, you're gonna hate this. Dug out my 2007 Proline parts book with all the PL pricing that they got from the vendors. A 70 gallon roto-molded tank from Inca? $160. Now granted, it was most likely rectangular, but don't that just make you sick? :x :x :x
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 02, 2013, 06:49:10 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
found a fuel tank that should fit nicely under the deck. its a v/belly tank, kinda in a wedge shape... 73 gallons. should give me a nice range when full... as bob says "better to have and not need than need and not have" http://www.iboats.com/73-Gallon-Fuel-Ta ... _id.686983 (http://www.iboats.com/73-Gallon-Fuel-Tank-86-L-x-25-16-W-x-11-75-H-Moeller/dm/cart_id.323784367--session_id.825976527--view_id.686983)
Aaron, you're gonna hate this. Dug out my 2007 Proline parts book with all the PL pricing that they got from the vendors. A 70 gallon roto-molded tank from Inca? $160. Now granted, it was most likely rectangular, but don't that just make you sick? :x :x :x
bob, ive just been using that site to search for tanks. i can order at work through a different distributor on the marinas account to get a decent discount... :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 09, 2013, 06:43:03 PM
ordered my fuel tank last night, couldnt make up my mind on going with a 50 gallon to 70 gallon tank, so i settled on a 62 gallon moeller tank, should fit perfect between the stringers and under the deck
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on March 09, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
Excellent.
The fit is more important than the slight difference in capacity :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Skoot on March 09, 2013, 09:25:53 PM
Hey Aaron, any recent pics of progress??
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 10, 2013, 12:32:48 PM
That's a poly tank, right Aaron? That sounds exactly like what I will be looking for. Can you pm me with details (dimensions, price, where you bought it, etc)? The biggest moeller tank I've found that doesn't look too tall is a 55 gallons.
And ditto on Skoot's pic request!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 11, 2013, 11:25:23 AM
ill post pics once i get closer to pouring the foam, which may be next week.
yall are welcome to stop by any time to check out the boat. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 13, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
question: i know its probably been asked before but, is it ok if i use 2lb foam inside the stringers, or should i stick with 4lb? :scratch:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 13, 2013, 08:12:45 PM
I asked the same question a while back. I was originally planning on 2 lb, but am now going with 4 lb. The 2 lb is fine for bouyancy, but the 4 lb provides some structural support which I think is pretty important.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gman 82 aquasport on March 14, 2013, 02:18:50 PM
I would stick with the 4 lb foam... there is some difference in the strenght capabilities between the 2 and 4 lb..my .02
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 15, 2013, 06:07:31 PM
will be a tight squeeze height wise, but width and length is perfect and all the connections/sending unit will be under one pie plate instead of 3 separate (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20130315_174155.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 18, 2013, 05:44:01 PM
well y'all, i got the stingers glassed enough where im happy with them, and guess what?! started pouring foam! pics will come tomorrow.
also talked to Eugene today, got an idea floating around about the deck, well see once that time gets closer
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on March 18, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
:thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 19, 2013, 11:30:37 AM
That's awesome Aaron! Can't wait for the pics!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 31, 2013, 01:47:01 PM
sorry for not posting pics yall, didnt finish pouring the foam, got a nice respiratory infection so that knocked me out for almost 2 weeks. but i did leave work early today and picking up where i left off. will post pics later this afternoon... :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 31, 2013, 07:45:21 PM
pics! a few layers of 1708 inside and outside the stringers (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20130314_185451.jpg)
foam! she sounds and feels a whole helluva lot more solid (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20130318_172921.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 31, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
Looking good Aaron! Just out of.curiousity, did you replace the strip of wood in the keel?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 10, 2013, 03:03:01 PM
well...... i started working on the FB again 2 weeks ago. stringers are done, bulkheads are for the most part done, fuel tank coffin is done. transom knees are currently getting glassed... Eugene has the deck done and ready for me to drop in along with a casting deck... and for my birthday(last friday) and christmas, my parents are buying the console for me. its from panga marine and fits my tower perfect with no modifications. may go get that next week... :cheers: :cheers: will post pics tonight... :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 10, 2013, 05:44:31 PM
Alrighty, good to see you back at it. Let's see some pics. :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Georgie on December 10, 2013, 06:12:04 PM
:cheers: Welcome back to "active" status!! :wink:
Where them pics at? Can't be doin' that much work without sharin'!
giggity...giggity...giggity....
Sorry...Nevermind me...feeling goofy today, I guess. :jocolor: Happy to see you're back workin' on the ol' girl.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 10, 2013, 06:19:15 PM
wrapped the fuel tank and molded some nida core to fit the shape and glassed both sides with 1708... came out pretty good, (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20130406_114114.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20130406_114114.jpg.html)
raised the top of the stringers about 4 inches, glassed the forward and midship bulkheads my phone for some reason wont let me upload pics so no pics of that work <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
then i put her back on the trailer... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20131029_142736.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20131029_142736.jpg.html)
test fitting the transom knees (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20131202_144428.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20131202_144428.jpg.html)
fuel tank is officially put in, the coffin bottom is completely glassed in, the knees are puttied and glassed in(needs more glass... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20131210_161828.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20131210_161828.jpg.html)
where i drilled the holes to pass the fuel fill/vent lines through... think she's thick enough? (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20131210_162058.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20131210_162058.jpg.html)
thats pretty much where she's at, she feels like a tank now! wont be long before the deck is in!! <!-- s:cheers: -->:cheers:<!-- s:cheers: --> she is getting done on a very very tight budget, aint gonna be the purtiest thing on the water, but she will be a nice rig when done
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 10, 2013, 06:57:53 PM
Looks like some great progress Aaron. :thumleft: I'd say that the plug you cut out is plenty thick :shock: What did you make the top cap that you laid on top of the stringers to raise them, out of? Is it a box?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 10, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
its made from a 4x4 vinyl fence post wrapped with a layer of 1708, then puttied in place then 5 or 6 additional layers of 1708. its hollow all the way from the casting deck to the transom so they can be used as additional rigging tubes if needed...
with those and the thickness of the deck, the height will be raised about 5 inches total. shouldnt have any problem self bailing now :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on December 10, 2013, 08:29:19 PM
Welcome back, Aaron! She is looking great! That is a novel idea with the fence post! I can't wait to see what your deck looks like - Eugene does great work. I'll be doing mine pretty much like Rick did his.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on December 10, 2013, 09:26:36 PM
Just looked at the consoles on the Panga website. Which model are you getting? They look nice and seem to be reasonably priced.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on December 10, 2013, 09:50:50 PM
Aaron, she's gonna be stout :salut:
Glad to see you're back at her too. The fence post idea is a winner.
Agree with Craig on the consoles. Went to the Panga website....the 20 and 22 consoles both look nice, even though they didn't show many close-ups. Maybe they're the same.
Also...Happy Birthday :rendeer:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 11, 2013, 06:24:36 AM
this is the console i will be getting, the access for the pickup/fill/vent/sender will be right in front of the console... its the only console ive found that will fit perfect inside all of the pads for my tower without any modifications to the console or tower. the only other console that would fit is the dorado console, and i aint spendin that kind of coin on a console... W 28" L 32" H 39" Weight: 56 lbs (http://www.boatconsolesandbaitwells.com/images/guide_noSeat.jpg)
we have 2 pangas at work ive been using for my measurements. :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on December 11, 2013, 11:37:20 AM
That is the one I thought you would go with. I can't wait to see a picture of it on your deck - I may go with the same one.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 12, 2013, 06:39:26 PM
found me a motor, its a little more that any flat back needs, but i really cant pass up the price so she'll do just fine, or ill trade it on something else down the road... a customer of mine is repowering with a new yamaha so i get everything from the helm to the prop. has 135 hours on brand new powerhead... its a 225hp EFI. runs awesome, and i cant post the price :P :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on December 12, 2013, 06:41:44 PM
Suuuwwweeettt!!! Knowin' you bud, you're gonna set a flatback world speed record!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on December 12, 2013, 07:47:19 PM
Sweet 2X.....Good on you Aaron :thumright: :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Georgie on December 12, 2013, 08:14:37 PM
Knowin' what you had on the back of that Osprey o' yours....I ain't worried. :thumright:
Friggin' awesome! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dburr on December 12, 2013, 09:45:27 PM
Most excellent Aaron!! She is gonna run like a scared cat!
Looking back at the pic of the tank and hoses made me wonder where do you end up putting the fill ground? That go on the tank barb or is there a separate mount? :scratch:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 12, 2013, 09:53:49 PM
Power to spare Aaron - but you have to spare it :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on December 13, 2013, 08:47:06 AM
Congrats on the motor!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: OldSkool67 on December 13, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
<<<< This guy has outboard envy :cry:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 16, 2013, 08:56:29 PM
went and picked up the deck from Eugene this morning, and ordered the console from panga marine, should be done Friday, started mocking the rigging tubes but wont glass anything till I get the console so I know exactly where everything will be. talked to my customer about the motor, its getting derigged and cratedwithin a couple weeks. im getting excited!!!
ill post some pics of the deck when Im at work Wednesday.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on December 16, 2013, 09:22:10 PM
Can't wait for the pics Aaron! I'm really leaning towards that same console :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: OldSkool67 on December 17, 2013, 01:35:05 PM
Aaron, how much of the deck did you have done? Drip channels, hatch doors etc? If you don't mind me asking what was the cost and did you provide the materials?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 17, 2013, 02:22:32 PM
theres a nice size bilge hatch with drain channel molded in, its 1 inch nidacore with penske/coosa inlays for the tower to through bolt to. ill take pics and post on Wednesday. Eugene did everything, you'll have to talk to him about a price :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on December 17, 2013, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
theres a nice size bilge hatch with drain channel molded in, its 1 inch nidacore with penske/coosa inlays for the tower to through bolt to. ill take pics and post on Wednesday. Eugene did everything, you'll have to talk to him about a price :mrgreen:
Top secret stuff you know, Craig... :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 20, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
went and picked up the console from Panga Marine today, looks awesome! size is perfect for the boat!!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on December 20, 2013, 05:47:17 PM
That does look great, Aaron. I just may have to get one for myself :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: fishinonthebrain on December 20, 2013, 06:13:14 PM
It does look good. It's just the right scale to the boat size.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 20, 2013, 06:17:06 PM
Yup, looks good sitting there. :salut: I think it would look better with a seat built into the front of it :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 22, 2013, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: "OldSkool67"
Aaron, how much of the deck did you have done? Drip channels, hatch doors etc? If you don't mind me asking what was the cost and did you provide the materials?
sorry for the delay on pics
will need a little finish work but saves a bunch of time trying to figure out the measurements! eugene made this deck 2 feet longer than his standard decks as i was unsure what i was gonna do about a casting deck. which will work out perfect and will give me a little bit more room infront of the tower/console...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on December 22, 2013, 07:27:38 PM
Pretty cool, Aaron :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 22, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
Nice start to a sole :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 23, 2013, 05:51:49 PM
yup, saves me a bunch of time figuring everything out, along with the casting deck eugene sold me. cant wait to get it in! i was shooting for 3 weeks to have the deck in but with christmas and new years, im taking 2 weeks off from the boat. might tinker around a little bit but not gonna do anything major...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 29, 2013, 06:04:25 PM
heres something for yall with motor envy! :mrgreen:
ran the motor on the hose today at work, shes getting picked up by central marine on thursday. they are pulling all the cables, harnesses, controls, unbolting the motor and putting everything in a shipping crate.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 30, 2013, 02:51:49 PM
the console couldnt fit any more perfect within my tower! i recommend it to anyone rebuilding a 22-2 or 19-6 its a fairly narrow console so it leaves a good bit more deck space than the old aqua consoles...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on December 30, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
Sweet Aaron!! Is that a Sanchez Bro.'s tower?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 30, 2013, 03:15:27 PM
quality t-tops, from a 23 dorado
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Georgie on December 30, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
Awesome!! :cheers:
I think you need to have Quality add a few more rod holders though. :lol:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on December 30, 2013, 03:40:01 PM
My bad. Very similar in design to a Sanchez...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 30, 2013, 05:55:38 PM
Quote from: "Georgie"
Awesome!! :cheers:
I think you need to have Quality add a few more rod holders though. :lol:
Man you ain't lieing there - you can get hooked coming out of the top from any direction :shock: Does look narrow though :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on January 07, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
swung by central marine this morning, motor was pulled along with all the harnesses and cables, should be crated later today and will pick it up later this afternoon
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: wingtime on January 07, 2014, 01:44:24 PM
Sweet motor! That thing is gonna boogie!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on January 07, 2014, 04:39:05 PM
just picked the motor up, im excited! the guy repowered with a new 250 suzuki 4stroke and central is sea trialing it tomorrow, its the grady white 225 walkaround you see in the back ground. he's excited also lol
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on January 28, 2014, 05:59:38 PM
got some glassing done, this week, knees are tied into the stringers, bulkheads completely glassed. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140126_145339.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140126_145339.jpg.html)
set all the tubes in place... 2, 3-inch rigging tubes, 2-1/2 inch tubes to the bilge, 3 inch holes for livewell drain/fill/washdown hoses. and put in rod/brush handle tubes for below deck storage. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140127_115810.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140127_115810.jpg.html)
started to core the bottom with left over nidacore i had laying around. got the port side done but ran out of resin, definintly makes the boat sound a whole lot more solid (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140128_114312.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140128_114312.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on January 28, 2014, 06:42:52 PM
Looks really good Aaron :thumleft: :thumleft: In a way I wish I had a full transom on the 170, at least to have the ability to bring everything up to the stern easily. Instead I have to build boxy things in the corners to house the access :roll: I don't think a full transom is suitable for a 170 - that means you're hanging a bracket off it for the motor to tilt, changing the CG which is bad for the little boat.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on January 28, 2014, 07:24:52 PM
:salut:
Good deal. Meat where the hull meets the sea is a good thing. Will also deaden hull slap.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on January 28, 2014, 07:26:25 PM
thanks rick! she's finally coming together!! hope to have the deck in within 3 weeks. gotta get some more resin, and then paint the bilges. gonna be using interlux bilgekote, got a gallon of white for 63 bucks through my work. all of our mechanics use it when doing repower jobs on IO's or IB's. good paint, will stick to just about anything.
Quote from: "gran398"
:salut:
Good deal. Meat where the hull meets the sea is a good thing. Will also deaden hull slap.
thats the idea :thumleft: :thumleft:
the 2 cored areas i did today i used left over 3/4 inch nida core. will be using 1/2 inch nida core on rest of the bottom(have a sheet at work left over from a project)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on January 28, 2014, 10:39:36 PM
Looking good, Aaron :thumleft: I like the idea of under-deck rod storage tubes.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 19, 2014, 06:23:31 PM
havent been getting to work on the boat as much as i'd like to over the last few weeks, im at 3 weeks without a day off <!-- s:ncool: -->:ncool:<!-- s:ncool: --> i told my boss im going to start working on my boat during down time to try and catch back up as we dont know when my next day off is, he said no problem <!-- s:cheers: -->:cheers:<!-- s:cheers: -->
so far all that i have left below deck is core the bow portion of the hull, everywhere else is done! i will finish that slowly this week and hopefully have most of the bilges painted... maybe able to get the deck in within a week or 2
earlier this week. sorry for the blurry pic... she feels 100% more solid, hitting the hull bottom with a rubber mallet, sounds like your hitting solid concrete almost no sound <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140211_103835.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140211_103835.jpg.html)
today i mounted the console to the tower and test fit it in the boat so i could mark where to through bolt the aluminum angle to the side of the stringers... gives the boat a whole new look... <!-- s:cheers: -->:cheers:<!-- s:cheers: --> <!-- s:cheers: -->:cheers:<!-- s:cheers: --> (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140219_095252.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140219_095252.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 19, 2014, 08:22:13 PM
No where is our "wolf whistle" icon :scratch: Looking good man. Need a clear version of pic #1 to explain what the white is in the forward area.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 19, 2014, 08:34:43 PM
that the unglassed nidacore ill take a better pic once i get it all bonded to the hull.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 19, 2014, 08:48:40 PM
I went back a page and saw the other Nida coring going in - I forgot that you were/are doing that - sorry.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on February 20, 2014, 05:53:59 AM
Looks great with the console and tower sitting in it! What is the distance from your transom to the rear edge of the console?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 20, 2014, 07:06:48 AM
i dont remember, ill measure that today
edit: exactly 8 ft from the transom
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: slvrlng on February 20, 2014, 08:09:40 AM
Looking really great Aaron!!!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on February 20, 2014, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
i dont remember, ill measure that today
edit: exactly 8 ft from the transom
Thanks Aaron. Do you know what your original distance was? If I understand correctly, the factory distance was right around 72" (measured at deck height). With the raised deck, that distance would go up a little due to the angle of the transom. But it looks like you are moving yours almost 2 feet forward. I don't know what the best location is to compensate for the motor being on a porta bracket - I've gone around and around on this one - but make sure you really want to go that far forward before you make anything "final".
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 20, 2014, 12:55:22 PM
remember ill have a 20 gallon livewell in the transom and running the heavier 3.0l merc 225... I can move the batteries around if the weight needs to me fore or aft. the console is right where I want it within an inch or so.
the hull was completely stripped when I got it so other than stringers, I dont know what any of the original measurements where.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on February 20, 2014, 12:58:49 PM
Moving along nicely Aaron :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on February 20, 2014, 04:54:16 PM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
remember ill have a 20 gallon livewell in the transom and running the heavier 3.0l merc 225... I can move the batteries around if the weight needs to me fore or aft. the console is right where I want it within an inch or so.
the hull was completely stripped when I got it so other than stringers, I dont know what any of the original measurements where.
Ahh, forgot about that monster :shock: :shock: you are putting on the bracket and the size of your livewell. I figured you had put alot of thought into the console location, but I figured I would ask the question anyway :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on February 20, 2014, 11:43:03 PM
Craig, not sure what page (I'm on my phone and its a pita) but I have the weight and balance calcs posted for positions posted on my thread. I can email the excel spreadsheet to you if you pm your email, if you want. Our builds are very similar.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on February 21, 2014, 06:57:34 AM
Quote from: "Callyb"
Craig, not sure what page (I'm on my phone and its a pita) but I have the weight and balance calcs posted for positions posted on my thread. I can email the excel spreadsheet to you if you pm your email, if you want. Our builds are very similar.
Thanks Carl! PM sent!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 21, 2014, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: "CLM65"
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
remember ill have a 20 gallon livewell in the transom and running the heavier 3.0l merc 225... I can move the batteries around if the weight needs to me fore or aft. the console is right where I want it within an inch or so.
the hull was completely stripped when I got it so other than stringers, I dont know what any of the original measurements where.
Ahh, forgot about that monster :shock: :shock: you are putting on the bracket and the size of your livewell. I figured you had put alot of thought into the console location, but I figured I would ask the question anyway :thumright:
im also shortening the casting deck so there will still be a ton of room in front of the tower and a good amount of room aft. thats one thing i love about my tower and console is the footprint, it takes up hardly any deck space...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 23, 2014, 03:57:01 PM
finally a little bit of paint! im using Interlux Bilgekote, white. you can see all the I-beams up in the forward V to weigh the core downto the hull, working pretty good, got a little bit of core left to glass in and below deck is for the most part done :cheers: you can also see where i through bolted the 3/8 inch 4x3 aluminum angle to the stringers where the tower legs will sit. used the impact to wrench'em down, jumped on each one, ZERO flex :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 23, 2014, 07:15:37 PM
Definitely shows where your console/tower will be in the mix of things - pretty far forward. :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 23, 2014, 07:51:53 PM
it is pretty far forward, but my tower is also really small, there will be almost 3 feet between the forward legs of the tower to the casting deck bulkhead. im going with a shorter casting deck like on capt matt's boat, it wont be as short as his, but will be way shorter than the original one...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on February 23, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
Good to shorten the long forward deck. Wasted space nowadays.
You're getting a pretty job :thumright: And right here at the end, no need to rush it.
Looking back on ours...there were a few small changes that could have been made.
As a for instance...you'll probably want a slight crown on the deck...around 1/8ths falling from the console to the sides. But at the stern...you'll want to minimize puddling in the corners. We got the crown part, but failed to consider the puddling in front of the rear boxes. Fixed now, but could have been addressed before the deck went in.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 25, 2014, 06:36:06 PM
the casting deck i think will be about the same size as what on my 200 osprey, which to me was a perfect size, not too small, not too big. it will be a little bigger than matts (http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/captmattmitchell/DSC01122.jpg) (http://s836.photobucket.com/user/captmattmitchell/media/DSC01122.jpg.html)
for the deck drains there will be a 1 inch deep trough that the 1-1/2 inch scuppers will rest in so water wont be puddling in the corners and will shed water quickly. there will also be a small cabinet type storage with a door on the port/starboard side, similar to matts but on mine there will be a livewell in the center (http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/captmattmitchell/DSC01121.jpg) (http://s836.photobucket.com/user/captmattmitchell/media/DSC01121.jpg.html)
anyways, i ran out of resin yesterday but i did have enough to finish bonding the nidacore to the hull. 2 coats of paint from midship-aft, looks really good, im very happy with how its turning out... also got the fuel tank 100% done, she's resting on 1/4 inch rubber and made some straps from some 1/8th inch by 2 inch aluminum i had laying around with 1/4 inch rubber under the straps
yes i know there's some untrimmed glass <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on March 11, 2014, 07:59:46 PM
Getting real close to tying it all together. :salut: How's it look after you pull the sides back to where they originally were? Looks close without pulling them in. Now's the time to check the list twice before the resin hits the glass - ain't no turning back without huge repercussions after that. It'll be a great feeling after that though. :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: jmr1 on March 12, 2014, 11:18:52 AM
looking good!!!!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 12, 2014, 11:20:18 AM
Looking good Aaron. A couple of questions for you...
What are you going to use to bond the deck to the stringers?
What are you planning to do for access to your under-deck rod storage?
I see you cut off quite a bit of your gunnels. I'm curious about what/how you are going to finish that area. Please take lots of pics!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 12, 2014, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: "CLM65"
Looking good Aaron. A couple of questions for you...
What are you going to use to bond the deck to the stringers?
What are you planning to do for access to your under-deck rod storage?
I see you cut off quite a bit of your gunnels. I'm curious about what/how you are going to finish that area. Please take lots of pics!
I mixed up some putty from fumed silica and chopped glass, pre mixed about a gallon.
the rod storage im gonna have 2 deck hatches made from boat outfitters. . im also gonna have one made for the front of the console
haven't decided how I want to finish the cap yet ill worry about it when i get closer
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on March 12, 2014, 07:20:17 PM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
Quote from: "CLM65"
ill worry about it when i get closer
I use that as a motto sometimes.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on March 12, 2014, 07:42:29 PM
"We'll deal with that later..."
Sometimes I hate when "later" comes... :lol:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 12, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
"We'll deal with later..."
Sometimes I hate when "later" comes... :lol:
later most times means $$$$ :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on March 12, 2014, 08:19:53 PM
Aaron, she's looking pretty!
Hard to tell from the pics, but are there ledgers now under the deck over on the sides? If so, that would be a plus to build/fill to.
Rick has a good thought on the gap....when the cap gets on, that could change things.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 18, 2014, 06:16:05 PM
ran a total of 9 circuits below deck, 6 aft, 3 forward. also installed the livewell pickup, single 1-1/2 inch (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140317_112633.jpg)
and the deck is now puttied to the stringers, and then i trimmed the casting deck i got from Eugene and test fit it, still needs to be trimmed so i can move if forward a little more... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140318_150049.jpg)
does the casting deck look familiar? it came out of shortpant's boat when that one shop who's name shouldnt be mentioned screwed his boat up then our good friend Eugene fixed it right :thumleft: there was a large hatch that i cut away to shorten the casting deck (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140318_150108.jpg)
was bored last night and did a rough sketch of how the transom area will look... a hatch on each side of the livewell, starboard side will house the oil injection tank, and fuel/water separator. port will be storage. will also put a small pie plate right above the thru-hull pickup valve and bilge drain plug. in each corner, there will be 2, 2 inch scuppers like these http://www.marineeast.com/me-images/s_img_std/927.jpg (http://www.marineeast.com/me-images/s_img_std/927.jpg) they will sit in a 3 inch wide 1 inch deep trough for water to drain completely off (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140313_153922.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on March 18, 2014, 07:23:20 PM
:thumright:
Those stripes on the casting deck are a dead giveaway :mrgreen: Glad you got it!
Inch and a half on the pickup....that's neat! What is the plan on the plumbing?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 18, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
Quote from: "gran398"
:thumright:
Those stripes on the casting deck are a dead giveaway :mrgreen: Glad you got it!
Inch and a half on the pickup....that's neat! What is the plan on the plumbing?
yup, saves me a crapload of time and energy, and the nicely finished hatch just looks good! 8)
for the plumbing, there will be a ball valve on the thru-hull, a strainer, then 3 livewell pumps, most of the strainers ive looked at for 1-1/2 inch flow up to 2400gph which will work perfect with 3 800gph pumps there will also be a raw water washdown plumbed in somewhere along the line...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on March 18, 2014, 07:57:26 PM
Sweet!
Looking forward to seeing it rigged :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: fishinonthebrain on March 20, 2014, 10:52:01 PM
I like your transom layout.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 27, 2014, 08:30:04 PM
ok, heres the latest thing ive been pondering about... to put a casting deck, or have an open bow with no casting deck...
with the casting deck at about the original height. only about 8 inches higher than the main deck... gunnel cap comes just below my knee at the bow (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140325_115633.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140325_115633.jpg.html)
the gunnel cap comes just above my knee at the bow.... not a whole lot of height difference, still low enough to throw a net over... ill still have the big hatch, and then i could run about a 48 inch long coffin box for more storage/cooler capacity... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140325_115351.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/recklesabandon727/media/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140325_115351.jpg.html)
what do y'all think?? :scratch:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on March 27, 2014, 08:38:25 PM
I vote raise the casting deck up to just shy of the cap...hell, raise it all the way up and glass to the underside of the cap (inwale)...that would look sweet, be functional (a true casting deck)...
Yep, that's what I would do. But it would have to move forward, don't know if you have enough overhang to mate up with a vertical from the cockpit sole...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on March 27, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
Everybody's different, and my thinking is just the opposite....level deck to the bow.
Like the decks on Contenders. No step-up to remember, nothing to trip over. You've already raised the deck five inches....would be cool to have a lot of freeboard somewhere...and no better place than up at the bow. Working anchors in the slop, laying into a big tarpon from up there...a lot of leverage.
Even throwing a cast net in rough conditions....you're safer INSIDE the boat.
Okay.... its 1-1 in the first inning! :flower:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on March 27, 2014, 09:29:27 PM
Scotty, if there were a vertical inwale, I'd agree with you. But as it stands, lowering the deck to the sole will create an uncomfortable lean from where your feet are (the sole) to where your body would rest (the cap).
That's my reasoning...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: BradleyD on March 27, 2014, 09:31:21 PM
I agree with seabob. Both look good so aesthetics would go either way but the gain in height/sight advantage would be worth it for me. The extra storage below the deck would be a plus as well. If it's rough and trying to throw a net just step down to the main deck and throw, but then again if it's too rough to throw a net I'd probably be staying at the dock.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 27, 2014, 10:03:44 PM
i might add, either way i go, there will be thick coaming bolsters wrapped around the bow and there will be a bulkhead for an anchor locker in the bow...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on March 27, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
I like how mine turned out 8)
If you get dead set on a flat deck i think youd need to do extend the cap back to where youre not leaning on the hullside to reach the gunnel like Bob said.
I also dont like a tall casting deck with a big step.
I would do like the old 23 Intrepids. They had a small (4" or so) raised deck with center fishbox. Short enough to keep you in the boat and still add alot of space underneath. Then Id probably do a half height bulkhead on top of the deck directly under the front o the cap to keep an anchor and whatnot. Then between the step and console is a nice spot to put a cooler sideways..
only pic I could find.. http://www.thehulltruth.com/attachments ... boat-5.jpg (http://www.thehulltruth.com/attachments/boats-sale-wanted/393350d1391092721-intrepid-23-open-246-w-yamaha-200-hpdi-only-280-hours-28-500-boat-5.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on March 27, 2014, 10:16:25 PM
Looking back at the pics, see where you're coming from.
Would like to see a pic of Aaron standing directly behind the center of the bow cap, middle of the curvature....behind where the bow cleat would go.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 27, 2014, 10:17:53 PM
scott, ill see if i can get a pic...
dirt, your boat is actually what got me thinking bout going with a flat deck... that and i started to get used to the contender. LOL.
i like the coffin box thats on the contender. i dont know if it would fit between the legs on my tower.ill have to measure it when we get it back from service... i know the smallest frigid rigid coffin box will fit (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/IMG_20140303_114333.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Georgie on March 27, 2014, 10:18:08 PM
I'm with DW here, Aaron....the flatback is not a big water boat, so in basic concept you're not supposed to need or want high gunwales. In addition, the casting deck functions two very important ways...MASSIVE/CRITICAL storage area, and excellent fishability. Unless you have a very specific use/boating style planned, keep the deck and just raise or lower it if you want to fit your own measurements. :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on March 27, 2014, 11:16:16 PM
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on March 28, 2014, 02:06:47 AM
Go with option A, the first photo. You're not going to be out in the middle of the bay when its blowing 15-20, you'll be in the skinny water. :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on March 28, 2014, 08:45:51 AM
I would go with the raised casting deck.
One other thing to consider is, IMO, I am pretty sure that the casting deck is actually structural to the hull. I think you would have some undesired flex in the bow without it, even with the deck raised 5 inches.
Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on March 28, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
So did we make your decision for ya, Aaron? :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 28, 2014, 12:43:44 PM
not quite yet Bob, ill ponder it some more lol ill work on the transom since I know exactly how it will be... I made a panel and test fit it in the boat, looks pretty good.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on March 28, 2014, 12:47:22 PM
Nice... :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on March 28, 2014, 07:36:59 PM
Ditto ^^^
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 28, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
Sorry I'm late to the party, Aaron....I really like the idea of a flat deck, but on these boats I think the raised casting deck is better. All the boats with flat decks seem to have extra wide gunnels compared to our flatbacks. Unless you plan to widen your gunnels, I think you will miss the stability that leaning against the gunnel offers. Especially when you get hit by that rogue wake that comes out of nowhere.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 30, 2014, 06:13:27 PM
i have been thinking about it more and i think i will stick with the original plan and go with the casting deck...
i have a buyer for my ATV, so hopefully i can order a porta bracket this week... hate to see it go but i just dont use it enough, i used it a whopping 3 times last year. its an '07 Honda TRX400EX that has less than 40 hours on it...
now if someone buys my osprey and F150 i can finish the boat, or at least have it useable by our annual july trip of scalloping & debauchery :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on March 30, 2014, 07:53:15 PM
Aaron, bite the bullet on the F1fiddy. She's been for sale for a while now, I know you have a bunch in her, but... :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 30, 2014, 08:27:50 PM
bob, i have the f150 listed for $5700, which is a pretty fair price considering the amount of work done and just the $$ for the parts alone.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on March 30, 2014, 08:42:04 PM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
bob, i have the f150 listed for $5700, which is a pretty fair price considering the amount of work done and just the $$ for the parts alone.
You are correct grasshopper, but remember the old...what the market will bear...
You have any bites off the 4X4 sites? Drop her to $4995, only $700, see what happens. It's kinda like all the chit we see on TV for $19.99. People won't pay $20 for something, but they WILL pay... :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 30, 2014, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
bob, i have the f150 listed for $5700, which is a pretty fair price considering the amount of work done and just the $$ for the parts alone.
You are correct grasshopper, but remember the old...what the market will bear...
You have any bites off the 4X4 sites? Drop her to $4995, only $700, see what happens. It's kinda like all the chit we see on TV for $19.99. People won't pay $20 for something, but they WILL pay... :wink:
you know how craigslist works... i drop the price 700, they want if for another 1000 less than that
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 31, 2014, 05:16:57 PM
mocked up the casting deck, and transom today, didnt get as much done today as i hoped, spent half the morning at the DMV :evil:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on April 07, 2014, 12:21:58 PM
Sweet... :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on April 07, 2014, 01:38:51 PM
The new style stainless end caps theyre putting on the brackets really set em off don't they?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 07, 2014, 02:54:14 PM
and the mercury "phantom black" just looks sexy :thumleft: a great match with the motor!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: fishinonthebrain on April 07, 2014, 06:13:51 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
Sweet... :thumleft:
x2
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on April 07, 2014, 07:46:49 PM
I am so jealous....
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on April 07, 2014, 09:32:47 PM
Good deal Aaron. :thumleft: I am also jealous.
Did you order it polished?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 08, 2014, 06:03:11 AM
I actually bought it from Eugene. I called him last week for his recommendations and he said he had a new one in his shop that wasn't getting used, and it was black so it worked out perfect! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on April 08, 2014, 08:58:08 AM
Eugene sure is a handy fella to have around... :thumright:
Wish he'd visit more often. Kinda miss his kick boxing antics and his anecdotal prowess... :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 08, 2014, 09:16:22 AM
yup, bought my tower, transom board, deck, casting deck, and porta bracket from him. and will eventually get one of his livewells. he's been VERY helpful in walking me along in my rebuild. i know for sure i wouldnt be this far along without his help! :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on April 08, 2014, 09:18:18 AM
So what's he doing these days, re-builds and repairs? Does he still have involvement with Shipoke?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 08, 2014, 09:24:04 AM
as far as i know, he's doing rebuilds and repairs only, and has sold the shipoke brand and molds to bonefish boatworks http://www.bonefishboatworks.com/welcom ... boats/cjg9 (http://www.bonefishboatworks.com/welcome.html#!new-boats/cjg9)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 10, 2014, 07:26:07 PM
orderes some scuppers yesterday, these are the kind i ordered... cant hurt for 13 bucks... http://greatlakesskipper.com/tracker-14 ... connector# (http://greatlakesskipper.com/tracker-142055-stainless-steel-plastic-2-inch-boat-thru-hull-connector#)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on April 10, 2014, 07:30:18 PM
I like the looks of those on the inner hull side nice flush mount on the bottom how do you plan on running the self bailing set up thru the cabinet and out the back.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 10, 2014, 07:58:09 PM
i may plumb them into a 90 degree thu hull out the side, or just go straight out the transom, ill decide that when i float the boat and know exactly where the waterline is.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on April 13, 2014, 09:39:08 AM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
i may plumb them into a 90 degree thu hull out the side
:thumbdown:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on April 13, 2014, 11:53:19 AM
Looking GREAT Aaron! :thumright:
Eugene has done us ALL a good turn, have encouraged him to stay tuned, but he has his hands in a number of ventures right now.
Agree with Nando, run them out the back. The wind wind/water on the sides could make for inefficiency.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on April 13, 2014, 08:01:43 PM
The scuppers on my 205 drain out the sides. Works quite well for that boat. They are above the water when at rest, and even further above the water when underway.
With that said, I would still go out the transom on a 22.2. That way, if the boat takes on water with a load in the back, you can add the ping pong ball covers. I don't think you can add them on the sides and expect them to last too long.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Capt Matt on April 13, 2014, 08:42:32 PM
My drains are out the sides before the cabinet Either way works just plan on drains that can take a plug for when boat has a heavy load. Ping pong balls are for table tennis and not scuppers lol Capt Matt
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 13, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
right now, with how high i raised the deck, the bottom of my cockpit scuppers should be 3 inches above the waterline , and at the side or transom whichever way i go, should be 1-1/2 to 2 inches above the waterline.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 22, 2014, 05:59:34 PM
not really a whole lot to report,, got the sides of the deck fully glassed and puttied in. along with the forward bulkhead for the casting deck, then glassed some leftover penske board to the sides of the console... and today i puttied the casting deck in place. will fully glass it tomorrow... starting to look like a boat again!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aquasport Commodore on April 22, 2014, 07:40:31 PM
Really nice, I like that casting deck.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on April 22, 2014, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: "86Aqua"
Really nice, I like that casting deck.
Me too! Great use of space!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on April 22, 2014, 10:21:16 PM
Great progress, Aaron! I imagine I will be doing the same thing with my console. Do you plan to finish off the inside with gel coat, or leave as-is?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on April 23, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
What is the cut out on the port side of the casting deck? Is it for the fuel hose?
Looking good, you might be on putting her back in the water this year, huh?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 23, 2014, 06:25:42 AM
Quote from: "CLM65"
Great progress, Aaron! I imagine I will be doing the same thing with my console. Do you plan to finish off the inside with gel coat, or leave as-is?
ill gel coat it. im gonna ad some more core before I gel.
Quote from: "Callyb"
What is the cut out on the port side of the casting deck? Is it for the fuel hose?
Looking good, you might be on putting her back in the water this year, huh?
correct. im hoping to have her done by October
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 23, 2014, 07:34:01 PM
got some more work in today glassed the casting deck in. 2 layers of 1708 down the sides, and so far just one layer side to side (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140423_102934.jpg)
while the bow was curing, i glassed the aft bulkhead in place after cutting out 2 more holes in the knees for easier access to the lower porta bracket bolts. 2 layers of 1708 inside and out. you can kinda see the recess that the scuppers will sit in. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140423_145929.jpg)
and i made the box for the fuel fill/vent line. the starboard side is just a closed box, to make it look "even" and to add more support for the gunnel. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140423_152709.jpg)
thats it! burned up the last of my resin so ill have to wait a few days to get some more. :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on April 23, 2014, 09:22:08 PM
Tab her down! Those double boxes will be a plus running in a chop. Stiffness where you need it.
Another plus...you can leave a big castnet up there from stop to stop.....shouldn't slip back :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aquasport Commodore on April 23, 2014, 10:34:37 PM
Aaron looking great keep it up :thumright: I forgot, are you using poly or epoxy?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 24, 2014, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: "86Aqua"
Aaron looking great keep it up :thumright: I forgot, are you using poly or epoxy?
i used vinylester below deck, and poly above deck.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 06, 2014, 06:17:44 PM
not much to report... last week i painted the forward bilge, looks good, will do 1 or 2 more coats and be done.(no pics)
this week i puttied and started glassing the transom cap in place. i also started glassing the starboard side gunnel cap back on... its turning out pretty good. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140505_114022.jpg)
you can also see i have the port side box fully glassed on the casting deck. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140506_144843.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on May 06, 2014, 07:01:10 PM
Good progress :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on May 06, 2014, 07:59:06 PM
Looks great, Aaron! How wide is your transom cap (front to back)?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 06, 2014, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: "CLM65"
Looks great, Aaron! How wide is your transom cap (front to back)?
i want to say around 20 inches, maybe 22, i dont remember :scratch:
ill measure it at work tomorrow...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on May 06, 2014, 10:41:59 PM
Craig, was thinking the same thing. Like the extra width.
Big group on board....that area is a great space for seating/lounging/sunbathing.
Excellent work Aaron :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 07, 2014, 07:53:55 AM
23 inches :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 13, 2014, 06:44:07 PM
lets see if this works...
got the cap glassed back on and started fairing it in, got a little more filling and sanding to do in this side and ill be happy.... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140513_153624.jpg)
i also added up all of the receipts i have into the boat so far from start to now, including everything from eugene, panga, the outboard,(all of the big ticket items). i am well under my budget, just over half way to my all said and done goal <!-- s:cheers: -->:cheers:<!-- s:cheers: -->
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on May 13, 2014, 07:04:58 PM
Damn, Aaron, that is coming together great!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on May 13, 2014, 08:26:30 PM
^^^^^^
What Craig said :wink:
Like how you tapered the cap rail into the transom cap. Deluxe.
Remember last spring when you said you weren't going to be into looks so much? Sorry to report... :lol: ....you have a looker on your hands! :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 20, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
glassed the port side cap on yesterday, and after i spread some mud on it. came back this morning, sanded it all down. after that i grinded the inside of the console, set it up in the boat. measured, and marked where it was gonna go, and grinded the gel off the deck... after that i glassed the console to the deck. waited an hour or so for it to fully kick off, and i couldnt resist, i had to test fit the tower again, PERFECT!! <!-- s:cheers: -->:cheers:<!-- s:cheers: --> and luckily she just fits within my work area <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on May 20, 2014, 07:56:18 PM
Now you're cooking. Looks GREAT Aaron :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on May 20, 2014, 08:58:40 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 20, 2014, 09:01:33 PM
hey craig, gives you a cood idea how much space is in the boat by the small footprint of the console... you pick up your console/tower yet?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on May 21, 2014, 06:10:37 AM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
hey craig, gives you a cood idea how much space is in the boat by the small footprint of the console... you pick up your console/tower yet?
I definitely like the size of the console. How do you think working inside will be (wiring and stuff)? I'm planning to put my batteries in the console, so I may need to do my access hatch a little differently.
My console is with the tower fabricator (fellow member Randy56100). I'm hoping to have them back here in a few weeks.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Georgie on May 21, 2014, 08:33:18 AM
Lookin good, Aaron! :thumleft: She's coming together real nicely! When you thinking (hoping) you'll splash her?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 21, 2014, 06:19:27 PM
Quote from: "CLM65"
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
hey craig, gives you a cood idea how much space is in the boat by the small footprint of the console... you pick up your console/tower yet?
I definitely like the size of the console. How do you think working inside will be (wiring and stuff)? I'm planning to put my batteries in the console, so I may need to do my access hatch a little differently.
My console is with the tower fabricator (fellow member Randy56100). I'm hoping to have them back here in a few weeks.
my cranking and house batteries will be in the console(may move to below fwd deck with the trolling motor batteries depending on where she floats). wiring through that opening on the front will be a little bit more of a challenge just reaching down. im gonna go to fgc on tuesday and pick up some gelcoat for inside the console. then cut the holes for the rigging...
Quote from: "Georgie"
Lookin good, Aaron! :thumleft: She's coming together real nicely! When you thinking (hoping) you'll splash her?
just a test float im shooting for late july to mid august. for completion, im shooting for october...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on May 21, 2014, 06:27:36 PM
Aaron, you gonna hang the motor (not rig it) to give you the weight on the ass end when you float her?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 21, 2014, 06:44:09 PM
correct. and ill use cinder blocks and/or sand bags in various locations to simulate the extra weight to see how balanced she is when floating. she's getting awlgrip from the waterline up, and im leaning towards pettit vivid for waterline down, mixed close to the same color as the hull sides with a white boot stripe along the waterline...
once i get the interior glass/fairing/paint/gel done im gonna take her across the scales to see what the empty hull weight is... should be interesting :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on May 21, 2014, 07:25:18 PM
Is she gonna be in the water a lot?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 21, 2014, 08:09:13 PM
more than likely. ill put her in a slip at my work for a week or couple weeks at a time... from the old waterline down there are so many spider cracks from being left in the water it will be easier to just epoxy coat and bottom paint it than to sand/fair/gel it again.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 27, 2014, 06:22:43 PM
took a couple pics while i had the boat outside to take pics of the trailer. lots of work left but she is starting to look really good!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on May 29, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
Looking sweet, Aaron :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on June 12, 2014, 07:45:27 PM
well, not really a whole lot to report this week, stared repairing the damage on the port bow, finished glassing the casting deck box. glassed on the side gunnel supports. i drilled the holes in the console for the rigging to come up in the console, and painted the inside of the console....
so far on the port side you can see where i have added 2 layers of 1.5oz chopped mat, and begun sanding... if you saw the cap, youd understand why i did this. the entire cap was completely covered in cracks both large and small, i mean COVERED... she'll be gelcoated with a light webbing and i think it will look much better in the long run than puttying over the cracks and having them come back after a few months of use.
and a little bit of my money had to go to the truck this week, nothing like clogged fuel filters to ruin a day... not even 7,000 miles on this filter. after seeing that, i ordered a fuel filter/water separator from diesel site. took less than 30 minutes to install today, no drilling required... i would post a pic of it installed but..... :tapedshut: (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/IMG_20140610_191128.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on June 12, 2014, 09:31:56 PM
That's a messy filter make sure you don't use anything but motorcraft filters in those 6.0 I made that mistake and cracked stand pipe slightly on motor mounted filter and clogged fuel rail with tiny piece of plastic and a few months and a lot of new parts later figured it out ford owns patent to those filters aftermarket are only about .020 different but anyways my .02
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on June 12, 2014, 10:00:16 PM
i run nothing but motorcraft filters in the truck. a couple dollars more for the filters aint worth the risk.... dirty fuel, dirty oil, dirty coolant will kill a 6.0L pretty quick. i have 145K on my 6.0L. will be over 150K by the end of next month
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on June 12, 2014, 10:26:32 PM
Ya there pretty decent trucks still miss my 7.3 but after I did the egr delete coolant filter system on it blue spring kit and gauges of course and exhaust. Pretty happy with it bought an sct and had custom econemy tunes made but none of the companies could get shift points right so got rid of that quick. But good trucks. Lol k back to aquasports
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on June 13, 2014, 06:01:28 PM
got this in the mail from dirtwheels today, thanks bud! :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on June 15, 2014, 07:01:14 PM
:thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on June 15, 2014, 07:09:54 PM
The classic Morse S. You got a matching one for the other station Aaron?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on June 15, 2014, 08:23:06 PM
not yet, ill probably order a new set through work if i dont find another deal on a used set.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on June 15, 2014, 09:45:15 PM
Ebay!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on June 15, 2014, 09:58:04 PM
Morse makes a great product. If may make a suggestion....keep the wax on it. One little salt deposit starts the corrosion party :thumbdown:
Miss D is on a lift....side-to a heavy SW wind all summer long. So on that side...I leave a good coat of unwiped wax on the Morse. When get onboard to go for a spin....wipe it off. Takes about 5 seconds :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on August 19, 2014, 05:17:29 PM
finally got some work done on the boat last 2 days, got the cap fully gelled, and in between coats i started mounting stuff, ground down so, got the porta bracket pump mounted high and dry in the console, mounted the battery charger. mounted the trolling motor battery trays below deck(no pics)... also started grinding out some of the old holes in the transom and filling them in...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 19, 2014, 06:29:26 PM
Looks good Aaron - lots of progress there :salut: Are you going to glass the cap to the hull?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on August 19, 2014, 07:17:54 PM
cap was already glassed to the hull from midships-forward. the new transom cap i made was glassed to the hull, along with where i tied the rest of the cap back in. she's solid. i rolled on some gel where the tower will rest on the deck so i can go ahead and mount it for good.
i placed 2 orders this week, 4- 2 inch thru-hull scuppers(with built in flaps), 2- 1500gph bilge pumps and float switches, 3- 800gph livewell pumps, various 1-1/2 inch bronze fittings, 1-1/2 inch sea strainer, and some other stuff... talked to Eugene this week about the livewell and steering system. got a plan together for that. now i just need to finish the inside fairing, and roll on some more gel, have the hull painted, and start throwing parts at her!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on August 19, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
Good deal Aaron, nice work. Glad you got with Eugene early-on. He was of great help here as well.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on August 29, 2014, 07:07:51 PM
got a little bit of work done on the boat on monday. sanded and spread some fairing putty on the starboard side, and while that was kicking off, i went ahead and started playing with the livewell plumbing.... also last week parts started showing up!
the plumbing fittings are 1-1/2 inch, the scuppers with built in flaps are 2 inch, the stainless seachoice thru-hulls are 1-1/8 for the bilge pumps (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140820_101921.jpg)
and ZERO work got done on tuesday. those of you on my facebook know why... those who aren't, i had started sanding the fairing putty and reached back while sanding to move my fan without looking- WHACK!!! fan done bit the crap out of me! tips of 2 fingers and half a finger nail chopped :pale: :pale: :puker:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aquasport Commodore on August 29, 2014, 07:57:26 PM
That sucks, but I can relate. I cut part of my finger and thumb off with a table saw. My wife says no project is worth it's salt if you don't bleed on it. Take your time and heal up. Oh, did you make the fan go flying after that bite?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on August 29, 2014, 08:32:58 PM
Good progress on the boat, Aaron! Sucks about the injury. I too lost part of my thumb to a table saw. Good luck on the recovery!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on August 29, 2014, 08:35:20 PM
i didnt make the fan fly but i sure did fly to my office's first aid kit about 110 yds away :shock:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on August 29, 2014, 08:50:58 PM
my guy is stopping by tomorrow after noon to go over his plan/cost to finish the exterior finish and paint work. so if its close to what i have in mind ill see if he can do it within a couple weeks so i can hang the bracket and motor and begin rigging the boat. once the paint is done i can make a time table for "completion"...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on August 29, 2014, 11:48:58 PM
Aaron, very sorry to hear of the mishap....hope it was mostly superficial. If its any consolation, I'm pretty much like the boys....chit happens, and have a finger or three that are a little different.
Kinda weird when the ladies come in to be assisted at work....I'm dressed nicely...and do my best to be well-spoken...but my hands and fingers and belly give me away. I'm a BUBBA through and through :thumright:
And if they ain't cool with that...don't let the door slap 'em in the ass :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on August 30, 2014, 12:06:55 AM
Like the Groco bronze, and especially the Southco/Gemlux :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 30, 2014, 06:06:50 AM
Lot's of goodies there :cheers: Lots of pumps. Sucks about your hand - no guard on your fan?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: love2fish on August 30, 2014, 10:42:31 AM
Is that 1 valve pictured with the 3 bait well pumps going to feed all 3? Wiring looks super clean!
I have the same style above waterline thru-hulls for my 2 bilge pumps- except mine are 90' fittings: 1=3/4" and 1= 1 1/8"... For some reason they spray like a sprinkler instead of in a solid stream (disconnected each before and run the bilge: solid stream). Hopefully you don't have that problem!
Hope the fingers are healing- counting to 9.5 sucks!
Oh, are you going with a cooler for a seat in front of your console?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on August 30, 2014, 05:48:29 PM
Quote from: "love2fish"
Is that 1 valve pictured with the 3 bait well pumps going to feed all 3? Wiring looks super clean!
I have the same style above waterline thru-hulls for my 2 bilge pumps- except mine are 90' fittings: 1=3/4" and 1= 1 1/8"... For some reason they spray like a sprinkler instead of in a solid stream (disconnected each before and run the bilge: solid stream). Hopefully you don't have that problem!
Hope the fingers are healing- counting to 9.5 sucks!
Oh, are you going with a cooler for a seat in front of your console?
the forward pump will feed the leaning post livewell, the aft pump will feed the transom livewell, the middle pump will have a T on the outlet to feed either livewell via flow control valves in the wells. it will act as a back up pump or double duty pump for either well if needed.
thats why i went with the straight outlet on the bilge outlets, every boat we have at work with a 90 sprays like a sprinkler, and i think reduces the flow a little bit. i have decided to have my bilge outlets out the transom, one on either side of the porta bracket that way the only thing on the entire hull side is the Aquasport 222 badge(the adeptus ones) and the FL numbers...
there will be a cooler in front of the console, haven't decided what size/brand yet. ill worry about it once the boat is done and i know what funds are left over(if any :lol: )
my paint guy did go over the boat this afternoon with me to get a good idea on cost/time. im happy with the price and its scheduled in for october 1st to be dropped off at his house/shop, he may be able to fit it in sooner if he finishes up another project early :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aquasport Commodore on August 30, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
I just swapped on my flats boat from a spray bar to a bottom fill that goes sideways and makes a current. This is what I have http://www.pbsboatstore.com/Shurflo-330 ... Avmb8P8HAQ (http://www.pbsboatstore.com/Shurflo-330021.htm?feed=Froogle&gclid=Cj0KEQjw7IWgBRCjv8Cv4vfC3ckBEiQAE7nvR5Y6c5KQgmLmHiHP0Bz4XMDYHTiOpyxvaUjVSjr1-HsaAvmb8P8HAQ) you can adjust the flow current. My bait doesn't die now and the water is less turbulent and much cleaner. Just an idea
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 02, 2014, 12:20:49 PM
im getting excited on this! just placed an order from teak isle for custom hatches for my console and across the transom. 'bout to go to Eugenes shop to pick up the steering helms and cylinder, got the paint job scheduled for october 1st. hoping to have it in the water last week of october/first week of november. hoping to take it up to the river for thanksgiving... time to put the fuel to the fire and let the cash burn :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 05, 2014, 07:02:19 PM
got my livewell from Eugene today! looks awesome!! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on September 05, 2014, 07:24:20 PM
Looks great, Aaron! What are you going to do for a lid?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 05, 2014, 08:27:50 PM
Eugene gave me a lid and cushion for it, cant wait to install it!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on September 05, 2014, 09:19:28 PM
Good lookin'!!!!
Eugene called this morn while riding over to see you....then he called back after he dropped it off :thumright:
He was feeling the happiness too! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 06, 2014, 06:16:20 AM
SWEET!!!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 07, 2014, 06:21:36 PM
picked this trailer up today from one of my high and dry customers... it was one of them "i must get out of the back yard and gone this weekend or else" kind of deals which made the price damn near free... it should fit the flatback perfect and gives me something to work on while it is in the paint shop...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 07, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
Looks to be in decent shape :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 07, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
needs the usual: cleaning, lights/wiring and new carpet, and new tires from sitting for so long but overall its in pretty good shape. no corrosion anywhere on the frame and minimal surface rust on the axles, leaf springs, and bunk brackets
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 12, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
got my teak isle hatches in the other day, and i dragged the boat home so i can work on it a little each night after work... got the holes for the fuel fill, gauges, key switch, trim tab switch, merc system warning gauge, and the helm pump drilled. installed the livewell flow control valves and and livewell lights. also ran the engine harness and battery cables. drilled the holes for my scuppers. mounted and wired in the bilge pumps and float switches, livewell pumps, and washdown pump.
my neighbors cant believe its the same boat that i dragged home almost 2 years ago 8)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dburr on September 12, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
Quote from: "Aswaff400"
my neighbors cant believe its the same boat that i dragged home almost 2 years ago 8)
Damn Aaron, neither can we!!! :mrgreen: :thumright: :thumleft: What a great job!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aquasport Commodore on September 12, 2014, 08:27:41 PM
SEXY :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 12, 2014, 08:37:15 PM
from bob:
Quote from: "Bob C"
So I have Aaron's switch panel in hand from New Wire Marine... (http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Aaronsswitchpanel001_zps7bd178e7.jpg)(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Aaronsswitchpanel002_zpsc8111b19.jpg)
Had to get heat-shrink adhesive lined quick disconnects today, didn't notice the 12-10 GA ones came in a 7 pack, instead of 10 like the 16-14 GA ones...so I was 3 short. I'll finish it up tomorrow. The little lead coming off the top of the panel is to splice the gauge back-light circuit into the NAV lights, makes it nice and easy...
:cheers: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 14, 2014, 06:55:51 AM
Nice work Bob :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 15, 2014, 08:25:27 PM
picked up my switch panel that Bob wired up for me, got it fully wired in. also wired the gauges in.
all of the lights are on the top terminal block, all of the pumps are on the bottom terminal block, (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140915_164528.jpg)
this shows really well how small the footprint the Panga console, 23 Dorado tower, and Eugene's livewell, combined with the shortened casting deck, how much open deck space there is in the boat...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on September 16, 2014, 05:56:15 PM
Excellent Aaron!! And BTW, just noticed that upper station control box in your truck... :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 16, 2014, 06:04:12 PM
yup, gonna patch it up. and start rigging it... need to order a lower electronics box. got the spreaders and cockpit lights ordered from scarabchris.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 16, 2014, 06:08:13 PM
Wow, that tower looks huge from that perspective. You're right though, lots of room in the boat :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on September 16, 2014, 08:33:31 PM
Agree, a LOT of room :cheers: Especially considering two feet or so at the stern is built-ins, transom area (seating) etc.
Nice!
Looking forward to the paint job! Aaron, what color(s) are you thinking?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 16, 2014, 08:38:46 PM
she's being painted same color as my osprey
the transom cap is exactly 24 inches at the center, and the tower legs are 3 ft aft of the casting deck. tons of space
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on September 17, 2014, 06:50:20 PM
Very nice work that thing is going to be a fishing machine.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 18, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
got the nav light circuit ran and light installed yesterday, and installed the trolling motor today. ended up needing to make a spacer between the quick release bracket and the TM bracket. without the spacer the TM would slam into the port side gunnel when in the stowed position... i also ordered the deck hatches that go over the TM battery compartment, and over the fuel fill/vent/pickup/sender access, and ordered the oil tank fill...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 18, 2014, 08:30:23 PM
Man that's a long way down :shock: Might need to wear a safety belt :lol:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 23, 2014, 08:25:30 PM
got a couple little things done this week.
mounted the upper electronics box and rigging tubes, cut my holes and test fit my scuppers, and fuel tank vent. got my deck hatches in for the fuel tank access and trolling motor battery compartment, still gotta cut the holes. also got my oil tank fill port in. ordered the lower electronics box, waiting for it to come in... installed the lower shift binnacle...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 23, 2014, 09:11:38 PM
Looking good Aaron
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 24, 2014, 08:10:23 PM
thanks rick :thumleft:
my electronics box came in sooner than expected not bad considering i ordered it monday night :cheers: (excuse the blurry camera phone pics) (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140924_191239.jpg)
let there be light!! scarabchris' spreader lights (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20140924_191225.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aquasport Commodore on September 30, 2014, 06:59:11 PM
Looking good, Aaron have you been getting a lot of rain up there in St Pete? It is a bloody mud bath down here in Port Charlotte and sucks. My yard is a mud pit and moving the boats sucks.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 30, 2014, 07:16:36 PM
thats why i moved the boat back to my work, keep plugging away at it
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on September 30, 2014, 08:08:37 PM
Coming together nicely, Aaron! Looking great :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 05, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
the guy that was supposed to paint my boat backed out on me at the last second. Found another guy to fair and paint the boat and he said if i wanted to hang the motor/porta bracket that i could and it wouldnt affect him none, he'd easily work around it. so with that said.... i hung the porta bracket and motor!!!
porta all the way down, trimmed all the way in. i went with the second lowest setting(second hole from the top). (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20141005_142630.jpg)
porta all the way up, trimmed all the way in. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20141005_142727.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on October 05, 2014, 05:17:54 PM
Looking good
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on October 05, 2014, 05:52:14 PM
One step closer - looks good Aaron :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 05, 2014, 05:59:40 PM
hooked the harnesses and cables up temporary and all of the gauges power on as they should and trim/tilt works. :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: fitz73222 on October 06, 2014, 09:21:52 AM
Aaron, Are you just going to mask everything off and paint or gelcoat? Why not finish the paint first and then do the component install?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on October 06, 2014, 10:07:18 PM
Aaron, how far is the porta bracket from the bottom center of the boat? I will need to figure out where to mount mine someday - your location looks pretty good. I'm not sure if there is any official guidance out there....
Looking good btw! (But I have to agree with Fitz. seems it would be much easier to paint without all the hardware installed)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 07, 2014, 08:11:49 AM
Quote from: "CLM65"
Aaron, how far is the porta bracket from the bottom center of the boat? I will need to figure out where to mount mine someday - your location looks pretty good. I'm not sure if there is any official guidance out there....
Looking good btw! (But I have to agree with Fitz. seems it would be much easier to paint without all the hardware installed)
i went with 27 inches from the keel to the center top bolt on the porta bracket, i believe that is what eugene recommended. it looks about perfect
yes it would be easier to paint the boat with nothing on the transom, but since the guy that was originally gonna paint(spray) the boat backed out and i found a new guy that comes highly recommended within our marina. he said i can go ahead and hang the motor as he's not sure when he can fit me in his schedule and i want the boat "useable" for the week of thanksgiving... this guy does everything roll and tip so i dont have to worry about masking off as much from overspray...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 07, 2014, 06:59:11 PM
craig, heres a better shot at the level of the cavitation plate in relation to the keel trimmed level, all the way down (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20141007_150151.jpg)
and trimmed level all the way up. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20141007_150043.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on October 07, 2014, 07:09:33 PM
Nice Aaron, thanks! Lots of room below the bracket for the livewell drain, which is probably where mine will end up. Where will yours be?
And what length is the shaft on your motor?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 07, 2014, 07:25:23 PM
ill probably put the livewell drain under the bracket to the starboard side. i did have it to the port side but i had a miscalculation :oops:
my motor is a 25 inch shaft.
my painter stopped by today and we got a game plan together :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 24, 2014, 02:20:28 PM
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dburr on October 24, 2014, 05:33:33 PM
Aaron that sounds great!! I played it on the big speakers and the Big Boss thought I was looking at GyroTracs again!! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on October 25, 2014, 09:54:53 AM
Sounds awesome, is she painted and ready to get wet?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on October 25, 2014, 11:20:02 AM
Ditto on what Nando said
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on October 25, 2014, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: dburr
aaron that sounds great!! I played it on the big speakers and the Big Boss thought I was looking at GyroTracs again!! :mrgreen:
:coolth: Lets go run that thing!!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 25, 2014, 05:56:41 PM
she aint painted yet, nor will i know when she will be painted... im tired of waiting on other people so im rigging the boat and running it.... if i have to pull the motor and bracket to be painted, so be it. but for the time being, she will get ran up until then. one of the guys that said he'll paint it said he doesnt care if it is rigged or not as he rolls and tips(no over spray), the guy that was originally supposed to paint sprays so he preferred the motor/bracket be off but can work around it(he painted my old boat with the motor/jackplate on)... the boats only getting painted from the waterline-up, so trimtabs, scuppers, and livewell drain can stay...
otherwise, she's almost ready to get wet. just gotta tidy up the bilge/livewell plumbing, and finish rolling out the gelcoat. getting the boat "useable" for a weekend up on the river in about a month... still gotta do some work to my trailer, new tires/lights/bearings/carpet...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on October 25, 2014, 08:47:48 PM
Good deal, go run her in this beautiful fall weather :thumright:
Plenty of time for paint...put her in the booth this winter.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 27, 2014, 06:37:41 PM
finished up the livewell plumbing today and gelcoated the transom will hopefully do the nonskid tomorrow and finish up the remaining gelcoat inside the boat...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on November 04, 2014, 08:26:44 PM
Man!!
Love the smooth diagonals on the deck aft of the console....for the "custom" touch :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 05, 2014, 05:13:55 AM
Looks really nice Aaron - nice job :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dburr on November 05, 2014, 07:35:53 AM
You have been one motivated dude... Really impressed with the speed at which you have banged this out Aaron.. Damn.... :thumright: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on November 05, 2014, 07:55:18 AM
Quote from: "dburr"
You have been one motivated dude... Really impressed with the speed at which you have banged this out Aaron.. Damn.... :thumright: :thumleft:
Youth is on our good friend's side, Dave... :wink:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 05, 2014, 09:51:07 AM
slightly over 2 years on this project Dave lol it would have been done sooner but not having a whole lot of $$ to work with slowed it down. couldn't have done it without knowing people in the industry, and working in the industry. Eugene, Bob, and our mechanics at our marina have been a tre mendous help with this. :salut:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 10, 2014, 05:02:09 PM
at 32 mph this is where the spray came out the sides (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/IMG_20141110_151036.jpg)
more pics to come, wes brought his camera and took some awesome shots of me running and out on the flats.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 10, 2014, 05:16:25 PM
Sure looks nice in the water Aaron :salut: I know that has to feel good after the rebuild journey - Congrats. :cheers: You raised your sole 4 or 5" right? The scuppers are looking at a good level.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 10, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
yeah, about 4-5 inches. even with both live wells full, and Wes and i standing on the transom, zero water came back up the scuppers. and running in a slight chop, there is zero hull slap, super quiet hull, coring the running surface paid off on that... cruises nice at 32mph turning 3500 rpm, motor sounds nice and healthy. and she's a rocket out of the hole!
lets see if y'all can guess what my WOT was... :thumright: and as others have said, over 40 mph its a scary ride :shock:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on November 10, 2014, 06:58:32 PM
Congrats Aaron!!
She looks beautiful in the water!!
If you're getting 32mph at 3500.....I'm guessing you've got to be running 50 or damn close to it at 5500....
Next guess?
Winner gets a free fill-up at Aaron's Marina! :thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on November 10, 2014, 07:23:30 PM
:cheers:
Stance at rest looks good and the Mercury looks great, is it an EFI or carb? Now you need to get her all dolled up and ready for the ball.
I say top end is 46 mph.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 10, 2014, 07:47:11 PM
she's EFI, nice having a motor that fires first bump of the key :cheers:
keep the guesses coming! 8)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Blue Agave on November 10, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
EFI! Sweet! Great motors you'll love it! :thumright:
Are you getting 6000 rpms?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on November 10, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
47.839...per GPS...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on November 10, 2014, 08:52:42 PM
Congrats Aaron! What a milestone!
I'm gonna guess a scalding 52.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on November 10, 2014, 09:03:23 PM
Quote from: "Blue Agave"
EFI! Sweet! Great motors you'll love it! :thumright:
Are you getting 6000 rpms?
Oh no....you only get one guess :lol:
Aaron our young friend....mums the word on WOT RPM.
Looking forward to more guesses....we need to throw a wager in here!! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 11, 2014, 05:49:54 AM
I'll take a swagger at 49 mph.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: slvrlng on November 11, 2014, 08:37:55 AM
53 mph
She looks awesome Aaron!!!!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 11, 2014, 09:18:14 AM
thanks yall, it feels really great to be on MY boat for a change! no more relying on the use of other peoples boats...
some of you are close, keep the guesses coming! *hint hint* im running a 21P Mercury Revolution 4
couple pics Wes took (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/10304443_10152875872228307_8476562823789941292_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on November 11, 2014, 11:32:23 AM
I'm going to guess a flat 50. That's a great looking boat though what color you going to do the outside in.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on November 11, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
Runnin pretty :thumleft: 52.7 MPH
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 11, 2014, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: "florida196"
I'm going to guess a flat 50. That's a great looking boat though what color you going to do the outside in.
she's gonna be painted same color as my osprey, its a custom dark grey awlgrip. really sweet color.
ill announce the WOT numbers at 5pm :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dburr on November 11, 2014, 04:23:13 PM
48.3 mph when running from down below, 38.6 when on the tower, (only cause you have brains enough not to hammer on it from up there :mrgreen: )
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on November 11, 2014, 04:42:59 PM
Quote from: "dburr"
48.3 mph when running from down below, 38.6 when on the tower, (only cause you have brains enough not to hammer on it from up there :mrgreen: )
That's the fun part, Dave! See how well those knees still work as shock absorbers... :lol:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 11, 2014, 05:31:04 PM
currently the unofficial-official WOT top speed was 47.5 mph so bob was the closest. i didnt play with the trim that much nor did i look at the RPM, she was a handful at that speed. i feel like she may reach 49 maybe 50 mph if i dial her in but she's plenty fast and scary enough as it is at that speed...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on November 11, 2014, 05:37:56 PM
Nice seems like that would be plenty fast on this style boat. I like the grey nonskid would like some feedback from you after you get some use out of it on whether or not it gets to hot on ur feet. My original non skid was grey but my boats been out of commission so long I can't remember lol thanks.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: seabob4 on November 11, 2014, 06:21:28 PM
My prize is in the mail...
Sweet ride, Aaron! Well done, and I'm sure she's real close to the finishing touches, then time to drop some reds, trout, and snook on her deck!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 11, 2014, 06:25:00 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
My prize is in the mail...
Sweet ride, Aaron! Well done, and I'm sure she's real close to the finishing touches, then time to drop some reds, trout, and snook on her deck!!! :cheers: :cheers:
she wont be fished for a little bit, she's going back to the marina tomorrow so i can bring the new trailer home and get it ready for our trip on thanksgiving... also gotta do water pump and gear oil before the trip
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on December 06, 2014, 02:57:55 PM
couple pics from last weekend, took the boat up to the Suwannee River. didnt use the boat as much as we hoped to as it was on the chilly side but we still had a great time. probably one of the best weekends i had up there. we only ran about 14 miles. 7 miles down river and back.
Sadie and her 3-1/2 year old daughter Piper that i love treat like my own. it was the first time Piper has ever been on a boat and she had a blast! especially when she got to drive! (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/IMG_20141129_161025.jpg)
and the campfire, nice and toasty! (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/IMG_20141128_183429.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aquasport Commodore on December 06, 2014, 05:11:03 PM
:thumright:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on December 06, 2014, 09:35:06 PM
Nice pics, Aaron :salut: Looks. Like you had a great time!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on December 06, 2014, 11:11:55 PM
Awesome pics, and such a pretty little girl! Boat looks like she's running sweet...love the console lip.
Happy Birthday :cheers:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on January 16, 2015, 02:28:03 PM
Hey Aaron, did you add any coring to the console, other than the sides? I'm doing mine now, and wondering if I need to put any under the dash where the helm, throttle, etc. will be.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on January 18, 2015, 06:43:29 PM
no, the glass on mine was fairly thick so i felt no core was really needed... i passed through your neck of the woods this weekend. was gonna call but most of my contacts got lost when i got a new phone... :021:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on January 18, 2015, 07:00:48 PM
i repainted the outboard last week... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0027.jpg)
my uncle i havent seen in 10 years came down for the weekend and met us up on the river... we ran just shy of 40 miles total, boat ran great! (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0029.jpg)
this is the spring at Rock Bluff, normally this time of year the water level is low, first pic was yesterday, second was in 2012 (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0033.jpg)
(http://www.fordtruckclub.net/forum/photopost/files/2/2/4/dsc00990.jpg) took these from the tower (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0034.jpg)
no, the glass on mine was fairly thick so i felt no core was really needed... i passed through your neck of the woods this weekend. was gonna call but most of my contacts got lost when i got a new phone... :021:
Yeah, mine seems pretty solid too, but I was in a console-coring mood, so I glassed some 1/2" nida core there, as well as 3/4" coosa to the sides.
Wish you woulda called - you could have helped glass something!
Boat's looking good!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: gran398 on January 18, 2015, 10:54:05 PM
Great pics!
Lightweight console coring....strength where you need it.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 05, 2015, 06:53:40 PM
finally got around to wiring up my trolling motor and charger.
batteries are below deck in front of the console/fuel tank. re-used my old duralast deep cycle's from my osprey, close to 5 years old and still hold a full charge. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0075.jpg)
mounted the charger to the port stringer below deck (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0077.jpg)
TM plug is up underneath the cap out of the rain/spray, and mounted the charger plug to the face of the casting deck. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0074.jpg)
and heres a closer pic for some, that shows how well Eugene's livewell fits with the Panga console. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0068.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on February 05, 2015, 10:03:31 PM
Looking great, Aaron! Did you get the outside painted yet? And what is the height of that livewell, and how big is the gap between the trailing edge of the console and the livewell?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 06, 2015, 05:28:31 PM
i havent painted the outside yet, saving up some cash so i can have some major work done on my F250, otherwise she would be getting painted. i have the livewell mounted 18 inches aft of the console, fits me good but for those on the husky side it would be a squeeze. im not sure what the height is, ill measure it tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: captainwinger on February 07, 2015, 08:45:20 PM
Awesome work buddy! I'm in the process of building a 68 with a very similar layout as yours. If you don't mind me asking, what is the centerline measurement of your scuppers to the bottom of transom? I want to be sure I raised my floor enough for proper drainage. Again, great looking boat!!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 07, 2015, 09:05:39 PM
i dont remember off the top of my head but ill measure when im at work tomorrow. i want to say 9-1/2 inches. the transom scuppers on my boat are about 2 inches lower than the deck scuppers, which sit in a 1 inch deep trough. i raised my deck about 5 inches so scuppers where raised 4 inches. with 2 people on the transom and both of the livewells full, i had zero water come back up the scuppers.
your welcome to swing by my work any time and take a hands on look at her if you'd like. she's at The Harborage Marina High & Dry.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 11, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
sorry for the Delay on the measurements, I haven't been around the boat all week. Been sick...
Craig, the height of the livewell is 26 inches.
Capt W, the center of the scupper to the bottom corner of the transom is right at 9 inches. They sit right at the water line
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on February 11, 2015, 08:46:27 PM
Thanks Aaron, and I see in your signature that you've sold the Osprey. Congrats!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 11, 2015, 09:13:55 PM
yup, got my asking price. :i_rule: now i just need to offload my F150 and i'd be set! :dh:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 24, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
wellllllll...... the day has come... i was tired of waiting for a painter and decided to dive in and do it myself :a0004: :popcorn:
before, i was originally gonna follow the waterline but after i masked it off, i pulled the tape and quite a few spots of the old paint peeled right off so more sanding had to be done. ended up going down to the chine :c002:
after 2 coats. i started to roll and tip but ended up just rolling as the paint was flowing super smooth the bubbles where immediately popping and leveling before i could go back and tip it... so far im happy with the results! :cheers: still have a couple more coats and sanding to do. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG01792.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on March 24, 2015, 08:42:45 PM
Looks good. Like the color might have already been mentioned but what kind of paint did u end up using.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on March 24, 2015, 08:49:43 PM
Aaron, Is it the same shade "gray" you had on the 200?
Lookin' good. :great02:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 24, 2015, 10:58:34 PM
Awesome Aaron! What color are you going to paint the bottom?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on March 25, 2015, 04:52:27 AM
Looks like a different boat in Grey - looks good Aaron :13:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: love2fish on March 25, 2015, 01:15:18 PM
Looks good with the grey! I came across the same thing- after the 1st coat, i just rolled and didnt need to tip. Controlled rolling and the right mix of thinner, and you can get some good results. I have the vivid epoxy white on the bottom of mine? Wears really well! Been on for almost 3 years now and the only touch-ups Ive had to do are on the entry point of the bow where the trailer and sandbar touch.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 25, 2015, 08:00:14 PM
i plan on using vivid on the bottom from the waterline down. i may mix it to match the hullsides so the entire hull will be gray... ill do that at work and put the boat on jack stands with the forklift to make it easier...
some of y'all may laugh but after reading a bunch of posts on THT and a couple other forums(if people on THT says its good it must be good right?! roflmao ), i ended up using Rustoleum topside paint. reasoning: if the instructions are followed to the T, once fully cured, it is a very durable and smooth finish that can be wet-sanded, compound and buffed if enough coats are applied. it can be repaired and blended in very easily. and its cheap($12/qt at lowes)... if it looks good from 10ft away, thats my goal, and so far it looks great from 10 ft away! so far i have 3 coats, and have only used a quart and a half...
sanded and applied 3rd coat after work (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0181.jpg)
Is it oil based? :?: I used oil based house paint for bottom paint for many years and it worked well for me.
from what i read, its an oil based alkyd enamel... i was gonna sand and do another coat tonight and am glad i didnt. just started raining.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 30, 2015, 07:10:40 PM
started fairing, priming, and painting the transom... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0183.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on March 30, 2015, 08:21:33 PM
Looking good Aaron :great02:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 30, 2015, 09:07:30 PM
Looking good, but I think you missed a spot near the tabs :93:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: jmr1 on March 31, 2015, 01:18:27 PM
I used a Rustoleum spray can on some of my motorcycle plastics then sanded and buffed was very shocked on how you can make this paint look. I'm sure you will be able to do the same with the topside paint and will look very good for half the price. (http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/jrahdert/fender_2_zps8st5fksr.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/jrahdert/media/fender_2_zps8st5fksr.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 05, 2015, 02:09:03 PM
wired up the cockpit and livewell lights last night, they shipped the wrong color cockpit lights... way too bright...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 06, 2015, 12:40:13 PM
That would show up on a satellite photo. :cool1:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 14, 2015, 02:17:58 PM
ran her for a few hours today, wanted to see how skinny she'd get running very light, empty livewells, and a little less than 1/4 tank of fuel. and also tested how shallow i could get on plane.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on April 14, 2015, 06:15:37 PM
I somehow don't think you're going to get her in anything skinnier than that :steeringwheel: How skinny did you start popping it on plane? I remember Capt. Matt saying something like you find a pothole and crank the wheel hard to a side and nail it?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on April 14, 2015, 06:58:01 PM
i got on plane in about 15 inches with the bracket up, tabs slightly down, sitting on a sandbar hammering the throttle down, she dug into the bar a little bit but not bad and launched out of the hole.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 04, 2015, 05:48:12 PM
started bottom painting. have 2 coats of epoxy primer... the tape line is a little over 1-3/4 inch above the waterline
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on May 05, 2015, 01:01:00 PM
Looks good Aaron :salut2: Some experience from the same product on my 230 - if you leave it in a tannin environment for a couple days the bottom will take on the brown color BUT will wash somewhat clean when under power (since it's ablative). If it doesn't all come off you can use a soft brush to scrub a little but you don't want to spend too much time doing that because you're scrubbing off the paint. Just keep an eye on it. I like to camp on my 230 o it can be in any number of different kinds of water for a few days and I experience that. I know you like to go up in the rivers skinny so you'll likely see the same thing.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on May 05, 2015, 02:14:40 PM
And the best part...you can't see any cracks in the bottom gelcoat :41:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 05, 2015, 03:19:50 PM
And the best part...you can't see any cracks in the bottom gelcoat :41:
:thumright: you saw how bad mine was! :tongue01:
rick, i know it will stain pretty easily especially up on the river where its like boating in tea, im not worried about it, another reason to bottom paint it lol
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 06, 2015, 06:32:19 PM
did a little more painting today. lifted the boat and did a coat of primer on my lunch break and did another after work, also did a 4th coat of Vivid along the waterline. will finish completely tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on May 06, 2015, 07:05:04 PM
Looks really nice Aaron. :tu4: My bottom paint lasted about 6 years (I didn't use it all that often) and with ablative and where you work, you can apply a new coat or 3 yourself when it needs it.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on May 06, 2015, 07:36:22 PM
Looking good! Time for a rubrail :D
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 11, 2015, 07:02:45 AM
well the bottom paint is done and she's in the water.she's in her new home for a week or so.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on May 11, 2015, 09:15:33 AM
What are your thoughts on that paint so far?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on May 11, 2015, 09:16:25 AM
Looks great Aaron. :salut2:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on May 11, 2015, 09:42:51 AM
Looks great Aaron! But I just noticed there are no rod holders on your gunnels. What gives? Where are your priorities? That's a fishing boat, isn't it?
And I see Carl made a cameo appearance...any updates on your project Carl?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Callyb on May 11, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
Looks great Aaron! But I just noticed there are no rod holders on your gunnels. What gives? Where are your priorities? That's a fishing boat, isn't it?
And I see Carl made a cameo appearance...any updates on your project Carl?
$$!! maybe on payday ill order some
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on May 17, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
Hi Aaron, the boats been in the water a week now, hows the bottom looking? Are you running her to let the ablative work?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on May 19, 2015, 06:36:09 PM
installed 8 rod holders today, got 2 more to instal on the transom behind the livewell for a removable backrest...
after sitting in the water for a full week, zero growth. gonna install a GPS/FF this week, then she'll go back in the water for probably rest of the summer.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on June 08, 2015, 08:44:47 PM
Nice - a little cushion on it and you'll have a nice sunning pad for someone :wink2:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on June 08, 2015, 09:44:28 PM
Fits good there, Aaron :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on June 21, 2015, 08:33:45 PM
ordered something for the boat on friday! yall want to take a guess at what it is? i will be delivered on or before the 15th. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
will not say until it is in my possession! lol :zl:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on June 21, 2015, 09:52:10 PM
Ahhh, I like guessing games! Let's see, I haven't noticed any electronics on the console yet...I'm gonna go with a MFD. Do I win?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on June 22, 2015, 04:56:08 AM
Has to be electronics. Another thing might be a stereo system? :cheering2: Not sure why it would take 3 weeks to get here though :?:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on June 23, 2015, 09:38:18 AM
any more guesses?
:zl: :danceSm:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on June 23, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
A remote control spot light? A FLIR camera? A jetdrive lower unit so you can really fly? ;-) Am I getting warm?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Que Pasa on June 23, 2015, 11:33:19 AM
Pool table
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on June 23, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
Rich uncle :ScrChin:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on July 15, 2015, 06:49:12 PM
been talking to Jeff Owens for a little bit now about a proper trailer for my flatback, pulled the trigger lat month, he said he could have had it done earlier if i wanted but i told him i plan on keeping the boat in the water till mid july so i'd like it to be done some time around the 15th... well i left work early and picked up my new trailer from him this afternoon! had it built to my specs, as low and wide as i could get it, and i liked how the boat was balanced on my old trailer so he built from some simple measurements from my old trailer so it should be close... im STOKED!! (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG04883.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on July 15, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
Very nice looking trailer. Can't wait to see what your boat looks like loaded up on that shiny new rig.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on July 15, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
I guess I didn't win :03:
Wasn't even close :73:
Nice looking trailer Aaron. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on July 15, 2015, 10:50:08 PM
Yeah, I was off by a mile too. That is a sweet looking trailer...I'm going to need one eventually too.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on July 16, 2015, 06:11:12 PM
the pics dont do it justice! for a size reference, its 9ft wide outside to outside(yes 9 feet!) of the fenders, 86 inches between fenders, and 28 feet from the end of the bunk to the hitch. the I-beam sits 11 inches off the ground
note the adjustable center bunks instead of the wood V-blocks that are usually standard on Owens' trailers. Jeff is trying something new with the adjustable center bunks for my hull because of the keel on the flat backs. he said a couple that he's done wear prematurely on the V pad and inside edge of the center bunks. i use my trailer quite a bit so if it works as planned i'll report back and he's gonna do the flat backs that way from now on...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on July 16, 2015, 06:52:21 PM
I added those adjustable bunks to my trailer to help stabilize the hull before I added cloth everywhere on the inside of the bare hull. Glad I did.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on July 20, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
put the boat on the trailer, ended up taking it back to Owens for some bunk adjustment. the fwd end of the main bunks need to be raised and the center bunks hit my thru-hull on the stbd side. pulled great though! super smooth ride. and loaded so much easier than my old trailer. and 2 months in the water, other than Algae on the trim tabs, not a speck of growth on the bottom!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on July 20, 2015, 07:56:10 PM
That's pretty low - should be real easy to launch in shallow water.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on July 20, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Sure is low - those armadillos don't have a chance! Awesome trailer, Aaron :great02:.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on July 21, 2015, 04:13:41 PM
finally installed some electronics. mounted the largest Garmin that would fit, the 840xs. Also got Garmin's GFS10 fuel flow sensor. Automatically calculates fuel mileage/consumption
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on July 21, 2015, 06:37:59 PM
NICE!!! What are you going to do for Christmas now :think:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on July 21, 2015, 07:09:09 PM
theres always a 2nd display, I-pilot trolling motor, blade power-pole, new 4-stroke merc, and a whole other list for the truck!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on July 26, 2015, 04:13:02 PM
installed my Fusion ip600 radio from the Contender and 6-1/2 inch speakers yesterday, and today i installed the transducer for the FF/GPS, and i wasnt happy with the lights on the trailer, which i told Jeff Owens I'll change.... the 4 speakers are all mounted on the console, 2 facing fwd, 2 facing aft. with the console being almost like a sealed enclosure, it had real deep and great sounding bass. almost as if there was a powered sub on board.
swapped the marker lights out for LED's that i had (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/1968%2022-2%20flatback%20rebuild/KIMG0559.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on July 26, 2015, 07:07:37 PM
The console is filling up nicely (huge display on the MFD) :thumleft: The trailer looks like it'll last a long time.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on August 12, 2015, 09:41:48 PM
another project anyone? (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/suwannee%20river/KIMG0583.jpg)
US129 bridge over santa fe (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/suwannee%20river/KIMG0585.jpg)
another bridge on the suwannee (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/suwannee%20river/KIMG0588.jpg)
loaded back up. this trailer loaded SO much easier than my old trailer, and with the torsion axles, it pulls so much smoother, definitely happy about it. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/recklesabandon727/suwannee%20river/KIMG0592.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on August 12, 2015, 10:34:26 PM
Nice pictures Aaron! I think you can find your next project boat on that river. And those cushions look great too.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 13, 2015, 05:26:51 AM
:thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: HawgLeg on August 21, 2015, 10:51:07 AM
Looks great! What is your freeboard height near the transom roughly?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on September 29, 2015, 03:37:19 PM
finally ordered something the boat has lacked for a while... rub-rail! lol
also figured out how to get the MPG to show up. i had a setting wrong. turning 3500rpm i got 2.5mpg @ 33mph... this pic is cruising at 4200rpm, 39.9mph, 2.2mpg
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on September 29, 2015, 06:11:03 PM
Nice pics, Aaron! I had previously noticed that you didn't have a rubrail, but I didn't think too much about it. Now that it is installed, it really makes a difference! (not that it didn't look awesome before...now it just looks more awsomer!)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 13, 2015, 05:50:07 PM
less than a year since i first splashed her and and already quickly approaching 100 hours...
today i took an old co worker out fishing today, and got into a big school of reds, only got one keeper, a 20 incher, the rest where between 29 and 36 inches. it was one right after another. even got a few snapper on the flats, and got some keepers under the bridge in the morning...
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on October 13, 2015, 07:06:29 PM
VERY nice reds Aaron :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: dirtwheelsfl on October 13, 2015, 08:21:57 PM
Nooice
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on October 13, 2015, 09:02:05 PM
I hate when they're too big!
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: JonnyB on October 14, 2015, 08:10:24 AM
:thumleft: :stupid: Nice rig Aaron and it looks like you are making it work. Nothing finer than fish in the boat even if they do have to go back. Its not always about the fish in the frying pan but the adventure to get them in the boat. Good Job.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on October 26, 2015, 02:58:57 PM
had a hard top made for the boat this week. overall its 18 inches wider and 4 inches longer than the old canvas top
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 10, 2015, 04:00:37 PM
:whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on November 11, 2015, 06:38:23 AM
Looks good. Didn't know minn Kota was making a 72" shaft thought only Rhodan was. Do u have any plans for support of the shaft when in the stowed position. Curious to see if there's a lot of flopping around when running.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 11, 2015, 12:28:00 PM
Minn kota just released the 72 inch shaft within the last 6 weeks, it's been almost impossible to get one as no one had them stocked, or Minn kota wasn't shipping them yet. Guessing by serial number, mine is the 7th 72 inch shaft made. Most places don't have the longer shaft even listed yet.
i do plan on getting a support for when its stowed.
i almost went with the Rhodan but i got an email from MinnKota saying the 72 inch shaft was being released so i decided to wait. downside with the Rhodan is only 24 volt, , and is $800 more than my cost on the 36 volt MinnKota
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: florida196 on November 11, 2015, 06:46:01 PM
Yes the Rhodans are pricey. My buddy is a mechanical engineer for them and also does a lot of the testing. He keeps boats in his lake at his house puts them on a track and they run for 24hrs straight with battery life left. Pretty cool motors but minn Kota has been around a long time. With that said and the price difference minn Kota will probably be my choice as well. Looks great again though can't wait to hear how it performs.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on November 12, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
installed new bow lights tonight. LED flush mount lights from Marpac
5 lbs! the 225 weighs 460 i believe, and this weighs 465.
That's great - negligible affect on how it sits. Looking forward to some performance numbers :thumleft:
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 08, 2016, 09:30:41 PM
was talking to Capt Matt tonight about the motors, he has 2500 hrs on one, 500 hours on another, zero issues. they are just about bulletproof. he's running a 16x17 Enertia Eco so im gonna try that prop first.
our glass guy in the marina is meeting me on wednesday to see how much he'll want to fix the damaged cowling and repaint it and the lower chaps like new., already ordered a new decal set in gray to match the boat
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Post by: Blue Agave on February 11, 2016, 11:49:39 AM
Nice find Aaron! Mercury outboards have always been good to me. I assume the EFI will find its way to craigslist?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 11, 2016, 05:50:41 PM
i already have someone interested in the motor, but we'll see. it may end up on craigslist. it runs great just too much power and too thirsty for the flatback...
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Post by: Aswaff400 on February 12, 2016, 05:30:21 PM
picked the boat up from the canvas shop today after having a custom eisenglass enclosure made will stay nice and dry/warm this time of the year
cleaned and repainted the midsection and tilt/trim bracket. should get the cowling and chaps back from paint later this week, and i sent the lower unit out for repair (bent propshaft, and broken skeg).
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Post by: merkin222 on February 16, 2016, 10:07:28 AM
:cool2:
Nice work, Aaron. Sounds like this is gonna be a real nice addition.
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Post by: dirtwheelsfl on February 16, 2016, 07:51:11 PM
What prop you thinking??
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on February 16, 2016, 08:23:44 PM
gonna try a 17p enertia eco. its the prop capt matt is running on his boat with this motor. getting over 5mpg
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 01, 2016, 09:28:32 AM
Hey Aaron, question for you. Did you put brakes on your trailer? I think you told me that you bought it without brakes, and I don't see an actuator on the tongue in your recent pics. Are you planning to add brakes? The reason I ask is that I sent Owen and Sons an email last night as I may buy a trailer this spring. I'm looking at the options including brakes. Not sure if I should buy it with brakes, or if adding them later would be a better option. Just wondering if that was the thought process you went through. Thanks!
And any updates on the new engine?
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Post by: Aswaff400 on March 01, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
i opted not to get brakes, nor do i plan to add brakes. as most of my towing is short local trips(sometimes a couple times a week) and at times the trailer will sit for months when i keep the boat in a slip. i did not want the headache of one more thing to maintain, and jeff owens agreed. the only trailer of mine that i have ever had brakes on is my 15,000 lb triple axle. and even its brakes where questionable at best... i need to swing by owens, havent been by their shop since i picked up my trailer.
also one thing i will recommend is before the first launch with a new trailer, do 2 coats of sharkhide coating. the stuff really works. i did 2 coats when i first got the trailer and it still looks like new, zero corrosion or oxidization on the frame or fenders. im almost due for another coat.
nothing new on the engine. i did install a smartcraft harness, and gateway module so the motor can talk to the NMEA2000 network. thats about it. lower unit came back from the welder after having the propshaft straightened, a new skeg put on, and a crack found on the torpedo welded. just waiting on a seal kit to show up so it can get reassembled... still havent got the cowling and chaps back from fiberglass/paint.
my decals i ordered to match the boat came in., the OE decals have some red pin striping, i opted for the solid gray/silver (https://outboarddecalset.com/media/product/516/-ec2.png)
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: CLM65 on March 01, 2016, 01:11:29 PM
Thanks Aaron! I hadn't really thought of no brakes as an option, but it does make sense. I have brakes on the trailer for my Osprey, but they haven't worked for years. I usually only pull the boat out once or twice a year for cleaning and routine maintenance (it is lift kept), and I am only 2 blocks from the ramp. So the trailer does a lot of sitting. Is there a weight requirement where brakes are required? I do hope to travel more with the flat back, but it will not be a very common occurrence.
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 01, 2016, 01:56:02 PM
anything over i believe 3000 lbs is supposed to have brakes on all axles. the only area that really checks is down in the keys. ive never had an issue with it. most of my traveling with the boat is in N.FL, where im more likely to get checked for dyed fuel in my truck than brakes on the trailer.
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Post by: flatbackpaul on March 01, 2016, 03:38:15 PM
is your Merc a 25" shaft?
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 01, 2016, 05:29:52 PM
yup
Title: Re: 1968 22-2 FB rebuild
Post by: Aswaff400 on March 05, 2016, 09:27:27 PM
finally got the cowling and chaps back from paint/fiberglass repair, was able to finally rig the motor.
made this swim platform today with the hatch i got from the salvage yard. painted it with some leftover paint, made a couple brackets and slapped the nice powder coated aluminum ladder i got for free on it... total cost: less than $50!
all of the engine gauges show on the Garmin via the NMEA2000 network and a mercury gateway module, if anyone with an older motor(pre-smartcraft) upgrades to a smartcraft capable motor, these are the part numbers you'll need to let the motor "talk" to your existing n2k network. - Mercury NMEA Gateway. Part # 84-8M0065208 - SmartCraft harness assembly. Part #: 84-879982T20 - Male to male harness adapter. Part #: 84-892452T01 ordered everything from this site. http://www.veradoclubparts.com/