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Title: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 11:31:06 AM
I have been looking at buying a new (to me) boat.  I have found I really like the looks of the Explorer 250 (not sure of the year ranges but I like 2002-2005 model).  

I found several in NJ and NY but none to the south here in VA?

I was looking for a history on this boat model;
pros and cons
known issues
Other models from Wellcraft that are the same
Best power options ((Im looking for a 4-stroke)Single vs twin, size etc)
Wood in the boat
Any notable differences from the 250 vs the 225
Where was the boat made
Ride quality

I have googled and looked on the THT and here but found little to answer my questions.

This boat will go back with me to Oregon someday and I plan to use it for Ocean fishing here and in Oregon.  Specs lead me to belive its the boat for me but wanted more input before I drop $26k+ for a boat.

Lots of questions I know so if your willing to help and would rather talk on a phone let me know.

Thanks for your help.
Chad
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on March 06, 2012, 11:40:51 AM
I just bought a 1998 245 Explorer.   Same boat as the 250.  They just changed the name.   The 225 is same boat with two feet removed from the cockpit area.  The transom should be poured composite.  The stringers are foam filled, no wood there.  The only wood I believe is balsa in the floors.  I have a 225 two stroke on mine.  I've only had it out twice but the performance is good and the ride is great.  A 250 hp would go faster but burn more fuel.  Twin 150's would be nice but your looking at twice the maintenance and a higher up front cost.  A 250 HP Verado would be SWEET.  I don't think there was a cross over Wellcraft model like there was in the 215 Explorer.  Seabob4 worked in the plant in Sarasota and he would have the answer to that and more of your questions.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 11:46:52 AM
So nothing changed from a 245 to the 250?  Just the name?  Specs are the same?  Why the name change?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: flounderpounder225 on March 06, 2012, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: "meanjean"
So nothing changed from a 245 to the 250?  Just the name?  Specs are the same?  Why the name change?

marketing/selling point, your getting a bigger boat (you think).  Same as the Osprey, 245 or 250, identical hulls, they changed some of the trim, and re-arranged the console.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on March 06, 2012, 12:22:30 PM
Yup same boat. Marketing I guess.  Or maybe how they measure it.  The over all length of the hull with the pulpit is over 26'.

Here's one with twins for sale.  Price is WAY high in my book.

http://www.popyachts.com/Page/Site-Listing/4017/Power/Walkarounds/Anne-Arundel-County-MD/For-Sale/Used/2000-Aquasport-250-Explorer-Walkaround/Page.html
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: "flounderpounder225"
Quote from: "meanjean"
So nothing changed from a 245 to the 250?  Just the name?  Specs are the same?  Why the name change?

marketing/selling point, your getting a bigger boat (you think).  Same as the Osprey, 245 or 250, identical hulls, they changed some of the trim, and re-arranged the console.


Is an Osprey an AS product? CC?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: flounderpounder225 on March 06, 2012, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: "meanjean"
Quote from: "flounderpounder225"
Quote from: "meanjean"
So nothing changed from a 245 to the 250?  Just the name?  Specs are the same?  Why the name change?

marketing/selling point, your getting a bigger boat (you think).  Same as the Osprey, 245 or 250, identical hulls, they changed some of the trim, and re-arranged the console.


Is an Osprey an AS product? CC?

Yes, same hull as the Explorer, different cap
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 12:29:34 PM
Quote from: "wingtime"
Yup same boat. Marketing I guess.  Or maybe how they measure it.  The over all length of the hull with the pulpit is over 26'.

Here's one with twins for sale.  Price is WAY high in my book.

http://www.popyachts.com/Page/Site-Listing/4017/Power/Walkarounds/Anne-Arundel-County-MD/For-Sale/Used/2000-Aquasport-250-Explorer-Walkaround/Page.html


Saw this one, has 2 strokes.  In your book whats a fair price for that boat?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 12:35:46 PM
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Aq ... ted-States (http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Aquasport-250-Explorer-2277564/Manahawkin/NJ/United-States)

Found this one, talked price down to $26K, no trailer.

From my reading a 225 engine may not be enough?

This price seem high?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on March 06, 2012, 12:42:00 PM
Chad,
What Bruce (wingime) and Marc (FP225) say are right on the money.  Looking at the boat in the link, it has the setup I like, motor wise, twin 150s.  But that has it's drawbacks as Bruce pointed out, in regards to fuel burn, maintenance, however, she'll be a fast boat.  Notice that one doesn't have a hardtop, that is a VERY desirable option.  For us down here in FL, keeps you out of the sun.  For up in Oregon, keeps you out of the rain and cold!

Explorers were built in Sarasota.  End-grain balsa is used to core the cockpit sole, the gunnels, and probably the cabin top.  Considering her out-the-door price was somewhere around $60-65K 10 years ago (that's optioned out), I'd be looking at high teens as a good price...
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
Considering her out-the-door price was somewhere around $60-65K 10 years ago (that's optioned out), I'd be looking at high teens as a good price...

High teens for that boat, what about a boat with 4 strokes?

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... ightwater& (http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=2277564&id=2443248&lang=en&slim=broker&&hosturl=brightwater&&ywo=brightwater&)

Both of them have 4 strokes and are in the same ball part price wise with no trailer.  For a 2003 to 2005 the going price seems to be $25-30K

Then there is this boat

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/Aq ... ted-States (http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/Aquasport-225-Explorer-2281320/Pasadena/MD/United-States)

This boat still the same hull as newer boats?  Buy this and get a new motor?

Love the feed back from everyone, thanks.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: pete on March 06, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
what they are asking and what they are getting are 2 different things!the price of a used boat is what you are willing to pay based on age,hours on motor condition, etc.If you find one you like make the sale conditional of having a tech go over the motor,even if you pay for the tech it will be money well spent on peice of mind.make an offer and go from there,be willing to walk.good luck :salut:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: bondobill on March 06, 2012, 01:09:24 PM
Have you seen this one
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... 44986&url= (http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2386773&ybw=&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=44986&url=)

Bill
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
Quote from: "bondobill"
Have you seen this one
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... 44986&url= (http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2386773&ybw=&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=44986&url=)

Bill

Sure did, I like it.  556 miles away!  Road trip.

Never seen one with 130 honda's  Repower maybe?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: gran398 on March 06, 2012, 01:35:53 PM
Good point, you've got to be willing to wait...and willing to walk. But there are still good boats out there at great prices.

But you need to be willing to travel if you have to. Bruce is tickled pink with his new ride...but he had to drive up here to get it.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 01:43:59 PM
I know I know...but I want my boat now!!! :bounce:

Atleast I have narrowed the search down to a make/model.  That was a challenge in itself.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: gran398 on March 06, 2012, 01:49:37 PM
Cool...so the one with the Hondas, but no trailer...offer 14K :thumleft:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on March 06, 2012, 07:15:46 PM
It's entirely possible the Honda boat was built as what we called a "blank" boat, dealer would order and then could rig out the way a customer wanted.  We did a lot of them back in the day when we WEREN'T in the good graces of Yamaha (long story), so maybe not a repower...

Twin 130s would be a nice ride, close to the HP of 150s but with the redundancy a single 250 wouldn't offer.  I don't know Scott, around $14K is definitely a low ball...
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 06, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
Yeah it would be pretty low offer.  
Im tyring to convince the wife we need to drive to NJ this weekend and look at the 03 and 04 250.  She isnt up for a 6 hr drive I guess :scratch:

With a 225 on the boat what kinda of numbers would I be looking at?

Top speed and plane out time?

Im not looking for a fast boat but dont want it to be a pig trying to get out of its own way.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: slvrlng on March 06, 2012, 09:13:11 PM
Here are some more choices.

http://riva-md.geebo.com/vehicles/view/ ... _explorer/ (http://riva-md.geebo.com/vehicles/view/directory/83/listing/32/id/45131160-2000_aquasport_250_explorer/)

http://florida.findanyboat.com/boats/20 ... lorer.html (http://florida.findanyboat.com/boats/2001-aquasport-250-explorer.html)

I like this one.
http://www.reachoo.com/ads/34203005#wes ... no%20Beach (http://www.reachoo.com/ads/34203005#westpalmbeach-AquaSport%20250%20Explorer%20WA%20w/%20225%20HP%20YAMAHA%20(Pompano%20Beach))%20$27995

This is a new listing without pics. Maybe they will figure it out and add some.
http://hingham-ma.geebo.com/vehicles/vi ... _explorer/ (http://hingham-ma.geebo.com/vehicles/view/directory/39/listing/32/id/44391752-2000_aquasport_250_explorer/)
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: gran398 on March 06, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
A firm offer is a firm offer. Money talks....and :*: walks.

How long has that boat been on the market? How long have they been waiting for an offer that was actually bonafide?

They wanted a whole lot more for wingtime's boat too....but we had earnest money in hand.

They had already been crapped on in a previous deal.

Which was to our benefit.

You'll never know until you ask.

If you're serious...and here again, money talks and the rest walks...opinions on a "lowball offer" are simply that, opinions.

Throw the money out there, and see what happens.  At the very least you have shown that you are a serious buyer, are awaiting a counter-offer, and have established a starting point.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on March 06, 2012, 10:14:42 PM
The boat with the twin 130'a has been on there for a while.  Saw it when I was looking for mine.  I can tell you in my searching I saw several with twins in the teens price range.   With the 225 two stroke I was getting just over 40 mph WOT and a good 30 mph cruise.  Here's a video of the boat running after I just rebuilt the carbs...  you can decide if it looks underpowered:

http://youtu.be/QSwPUH5v6f4
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Circle Hooked on March 06, 2012, 10:33:13 PM
Bruce you had a few people on it last Sat, I assume it still performed at those numbers or close, 30 mph is a great cruise speed to me.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on March 06, 2012, 10:43:15 PM
I didn't open it up all the way but the cruise numbers and fuel burn looked the same.

Here's a 250 here in Tampa on CL.  Looks like one of the other boats listed.  http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/boa/2878974661.html
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: gran398 on March 06, 2012, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: "wingtime"
The boat with the twin 130'a has been on there for a while.  Saw it when I was looking for mine.  I can tell you in my searching I saw several with twins in the teens price range.   With the 225 two stroke I was getting just over 40 mph WOT and a good 30 mph cruise.  Here's a video of the boat running after I just rebuilt the carbs...  you can decide if it looks underpowered:

http://youtu.be/QSwPUH5v6f4


Based upon the vid...would have to say she is getting right along there.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 11, 2012, 08:50:55 PM
I had that same motor on my 96 Proline 210 (it was a 200hp not 225)  Ran great.

Keep the boats you find coming my way just keep in mind, I want a 4 stroke.  I have these 3 in NJ I will look at as soon as time allows.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Aq ... ted-States (http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Aquasport-250-Explorer-2277564/Manahawkin/NJ/United-States)

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2004/Aq ... ted-States (http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2004/Aquasport-250-Explorer-2360186/Long-Beach-Island/NJ/United-States)

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... ightwater& (http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=2443248&lang=en&slim=broker&&hosturl=brightwater&&ywo=brightwater&)

The 3rd one has a current offer but the broaker implied there may be issues with financing.  It has twin 4-strokes. Johnsons (Suzuki right?)

The first one I know he declinded an offer of 21K but maybe he wont let it walk away again?



A 225 4 stroke should work fine dont you think?  The add says it runs 37 knots....seems kinda slow?  I know you dont get to run in the Pacific Ocean at 40 knots but I am concerned about the boat being slow out of the hole when I need to aviod some waves while crossing a bar.

I just have to be patient and find the right one, make a low ball offer and see what happens.  I dont like the idea of buying through a boat broker but seems most of these are being sold this way?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on March 11, 2012, 08:59:49 PM
With a 225, 4 or 2S, you should break 40, probably around 42 at, say, 5400 RPMs.  Medium load, half fuel, you know the deal...
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 12, 2012, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
With a 225, 4 or 2S, you should break 40, probably around 42 at, say, 5400 RPMs.  Medium load, half fuel, you know the deal...


Thats fast enough for me........not trying to win a race.  We dont have many tuna derbies in Oregon.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on March 12, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
Any faster than that is no fun for your passengers....  I ran offshore in a friends Jupiter 31 with twin 250's  Running 45-50 mph in 2-3 footers was fun for the first fine minutes...  after that it's just a beating...  Besides the amount of fuel he was burning at that speed would melt my credit card!
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: billmaine2011 on May 16, 2012, 07:13:33 PM
Just thought I'd ad my 2 cents.  

3 years ago I bought my 250 explorer, with a f225, in nice shape.  Outriggers, everything works, hardtop, about 800 hrs on the engine.  Just had it serviced last month and clean bill of health.  I had 25k into the boat, including a brand new venture trailer that fits a 25-27' boat.  Really like it.  I'm in Maine.  The 225 is just enough motor, twin f150's would be great, but that would add alot of $ to the purchase.  The best part of the boat I like is the large deck space.  Plenty of room for 4 adults.  I have buddy's with Grady's, Trophy's, etc, and this one has ALOT more room.  I don't care if the cabin takes a hit for it.  It's just storage anyway.  

Tight Lines,
Bill
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 30, 2014, 01:00:59 AM
Bringing back an old thread.   In Oregon and never bought a boat.   Now one is going to need to be shipped,  all said it has to be under$20 k.
Any help finding a boat would be great. 2 or 4 stroke. Efi preferred.
Chad
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on March 30, 2014, 12:19:35 PM
Long time since my last post.  Like the previous post said, back in the hunt for a boat.  Now to make it worse I'm on the left coast and not a single AS to be found here.  I have found several in FL and NY.

Here is my latest candidate:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2002- ... 102100795# (http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2002-Aquasport-225-Explorer-102100795#)

Shipping comes into play and the price of the boat.  I can fly out and rent a U-Haul for around $3,500 plus 4 days of time.

Another one I found in FL:
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1998- ... -102068812 (http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1998-Aquasport-225-Explorer-102068812)

If you guys find anything on CL or other sites please pass it along.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 01, 2014, 11:50:24 PM
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2002- ... -101742859 (http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2002-AQUA-SPORT-Explorer-101742859)

here is another boat closer to home,  thoughts?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: RickK on April 02, 2014, 05:17:10 AM
The last one looks good.  Bottom paint in fresh water?  Could have lived some of it's life in salt water?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: slvrlng on April 02, 2014, 08:23:02 AM
I don't know if have seen this one. If it was me this is the one I would pursue! I do believe it is one of the Delta-conic hulls. Iceman lives really close as well to Dana Point, maybe he could check it out. Or better yet his motor guy is in Dana Point. Twin 200s holy crap that thing will fly!

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1994- ... -102158539 (http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1994-Aquasport-250-Explorer-102158539)
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: RickK on April 02, 2014, 06:32:03 PM
I agree with Lewis - that one is the hard to find "Delta Conic" hull.  My buddy has one and it is super - does 52 with twin 200 Mercs.
Notice how the entire hull is different than the regular Explorers - made just a few years in the early 90s and I bet just over a hundred were made.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 02, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
Rick, you're right, not many.  When I got there in 9/94, there were no delta conic hulls to be seen...I never even saw the molds for the hull and deck.

Just another one of those Aquasport "mysteries" we'll probably never figure out...
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 02, 2014, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
Rick, you're right, not many.  When I got there in 9/94, there were no delta conic hulls to be seen...I never even saw the molds for the hull and deck.

Just another one of those Aquasport "mysteries" we'll probably never figure out...

Funny how they were the poster child for the 95 catalog.

http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... er&cat=628 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=5730&title=1995-catalog-cover&cat=628)
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 02, 2014, 07:36:24 PM
CB,
The '95 brochure basically starts at model year change over, which is July of '94 (boats built after July bear the next model year HIN, just like cars).  The brochure most likely started to be worked on in late '93, or early '94.

Note also the inclusion of the 245 Explorer in it's present day form, so there must have been some "jockeying" in regards to 2 Explorers so close in size.  Also keep in mind that, being a Harry Schoell design hull, there may have been some royalties involved that we don't know about, and Genmar said, "We ain't paying no stupid royalties!!"

Who knows?  Curt Jarson might, but he seems to have washed his hands of Genmar and AS...
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on April 02, 2014, 08:17:18 PM
That boat in Port Charlotte has been on Craigslist for some time now.  I'm sure they would be willing to deal.  The 250 Delta Conic is a much bigger boat than the 245/250.  She is over 27' long and 9' of beam.  That does not include the engine bracket  So I'd guess she is about 30' with the bracket...   But she sure are sweet looking.   I'd almost bet they had to pay some sort of a licensing fee for each hull...  and I'm sure the agreement said when the deal was over all tooling had to be destroyed.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 02, 2014, 08:37:31 PM
Harry Schoell has been known to sue builders...http://www.rbbi.com/folders/pat/regal/regal.htm (http://www.rbbi.com/folders/pat/regal/regal.htm)

I remember when Regal introduced their "FasTrac" hull bottom, they "perfected" it on Lake Conway over in Orlando, a hop and a skip from their plant in my old neck of the woods...
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 02, 2014, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
Note also the inclusion of the 245 Explorer in it's present day form, so there must have been some "jockeying" in regards to 2 Explorers so close in size.  

Same as the inclusion of both 245 and 250 EXs in the 94 catalog . Same ad collateral was used both years. Two different hulls. Same as in 92/93, only it jockeyed with the 230.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 02, 2014, 08:51:04 PM
Bob, I would say there is/was a good possibility that the Hialeah/Genmar transition was going through some teething pains at that point...
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 02, 2014, 09:11:10 PM
Alright, I have sent a (OMG) Facebook message to Curt, we'll see if he'll join up and help us figure out some of these little mysteries.  Curt was with AS from '87 to '04, so he knows his chit.  He's now director of something (probably sales or marketing or both) with Epic boats in Louisiana.

I told him it would be fun... :thumright:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on April 03, 2014, 12:10:48 AM
Quote from: "seabob4"
Alright, I have sent a (OMG) Facebook message to Curt, we'll see if he'll join up and help us figure out some of these little mysteries.  Curt was with AS from '87 to '04, so he knows his chit.  He's now director of something (probably sales or marketing or both) with Epic boats in Louisiana.

I told him it would be fun... :thumright:

Cool!
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on April 03, 2014, 04:59:23 PM
I just spotted this 225 Explorer on CL.  Looks nice and the price is right.  It's sitting on a Rolls Axle Trailer too...  which is well the Rolls of trailers!

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/boa/4320598033.html (http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/boa/4320598033.html)
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 04, 2014, 01:36:42 AM
Ugh the Florida prices make me sick and scratching my head how to get those boats here to Oregon.  That boat would go for twice that in the PNW.  Nice boat too!

I have agreed on a price for the 2002 in Arizona and plan to drive down next week.  20hrs one way!
They are testing the motor tomorrow and a relative was able to get eyes on for me and take lots of pictures.  If the motor checks out I think this is the boat.  Lots of sun damage to the cushions but fortunately my mom does boat seat and top repairs.
Any areas of concern when inspecting this model of boat?  Prone areas that may have issues?
Should know tomorrow about the motor.

Anyone know where to find replacement rub rails?  Just the rubber part not the metal.  Sun has destroyed it.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data//500/boat_002.JPG) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9399&title=damaged-rub-rail&cat=500)
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 04, 2014, 01:40:00 AM
Quote from: "slvrlng"
I don't know if have seen this one. If it was me this is the one I would pursue! I do believe it is one of the Delta-conic hulls. Iceman lives really close as well to Dana Point, maybe he could check it out. Or better yet his motor guy is in Dana Point. Twin 200s holy crap that thing will fly!

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1994- ... -102158539 (http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1994-Aquasport-250-Explorer-102158539)
I did see that one and thought about it.  When I called they didn't give me the impression there was much wiggle room in the price.  Where its at now is over my budget.
I would have to live in the boat since my wife would kick me out.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 04, 2014, 08:20:29 AM
Quote from: "meanjean"
Any areas of concern when inspecting this model of boat?  Prone areas that may have issues?
Should know tomorrow about the motor.

Anyone know where to find replacement rub rails?  Just the rubber part not the metal.  Sun has destroyed it.

Tank, IIRC is poly so corrosion shouldn't be a problem but what was in the tank may need to be checked.

A number of members have this model and have not reported anything major. Access is always an issue with boats and you'll find several threads here on that, bilge/livewell/washdown pumps and general use. Only a couple of actual rebuilds so the hull is pretty bulletproof. Motive power would be your biggest concern baring any visible hull damage due to poor seamanship.

The insert is available. Not sure if the gray still exists but black and white do.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on April 04, 2014, 09:50:52 AM
The 245/250 Explorer tank is aluminum.  I think the 225 tank is poly.  The rub rail insert is a common part that needs replacing I was lucky to get one off Ebay thanks to a member.  Unfortunately you can't get the grey anymore.  Only white or black.  I don't think the Explorers have many trouble spots.  The transom is composite so no rot there. They do have balsa cored decks which are fine unless someone drilled some screw holes into the deck and didn't seal them.  From the factory there are no holes that penetrate the decks so you don't hear much about soft deck problems unless a PO did something stupid. Look for loose hardware that hasn't been resealed. I'd be sure to look for PO abuse or neglect, wiring condition, and of course the usual engine concerns.  The gelcoat can be easily wet sanded and buffed out.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 04, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: "wingtime"
The 245/250 Explorer tank is aluminum.  I think the 225 tank is poly.  

viewtopic.php?p=119267#p119267 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=119267#p119267)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data//500/boat_007.JPG) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=9403&title=boat-007&cat=500)
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 04, 2014, 05:13:10 PM
225 Explorer/Osprey, 102 gal poly tank
245/250 Explorer/Osprey, 141 gal aluminum tank
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 04, 2014, 08:14:20 PM
Again,  I quoted a 225  tank cause that's what he's looking at.
Not a 245  or a 250.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 04, 2014, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: "Capt. Bob"
Again,  I quoted a 225  tank cause that's what he's looking at.
Not a 245  or a 250.

Bob, was just putting that out there for info.  No harm, no foul... :thumright:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 05, 2014, 02:22:52 AM
Thanks for the info.   Should hear from the mechanic tomorrow.

On eBay is the rubber called something special or just"rub rail"
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 05, 2014, 02:32:21 AM
Yup,  typed in " rub rail insert" on ebay and 380 various ones came up.  I'll have to do some measurements to make sure it fits.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 05, 2014, 07:24:22 AM
MJ, just FYI, this is the insert you want, V12-0303...http://tacomarine.com/item--1-x-1-2-Fle ... -0303.html (http://tacomarine.com/item--1-x-1-2-Flexible-Vinyl-Insert--V12-0303.html)
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 05, 2014, 07:33:26 AM
You may also want to check out this link from our Vendor forum.

viewtopic.php?p=79547#p79547 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=79547#p79547)

FYI, if you choose this Vendor and request the discount your membership # (which is based on your membership date) is #2626.

Good luck. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 05, 2014, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: "seabob4"
MJ, just FYI, this is the insert you want, V12-0303...http://tacomarine.com/item--1-x-1-2-Fle ... -0303.html (http://tacomarine.com/item--1-x-1-2-Flexible-Vinyl-Insert--V12-0303.html)

Thanks Bob, that's exactly what I needed to know.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 05, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
Broker contacted me and said the motor checked out, all cylinders at 120psi.  
There has to be some level of trust but besides me watching them do the checks how do you know they aren't just telling me what I want to hear?
So far they (broker and engine shop) have been seemingly honest and following through with everything.

The shop is Pleasant Harbor and Marina in AZ. Anyone have experience there?

http://www.pleasantharbor.com/marina (http://www.pleasantharbor.com/marina)

I guess a test run will show some issues but not a low cylinder, dead cylinder yes.

So far, were still a go to leave Tuesday and head to Arizona. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 05, 2014, 05:09:58 PM
My pleasure MJ.  You'll need a 70' roll.  When I used to rubrail 225s, it was 11 arm spans IIRC, which, at my span, comes to about 65'... :salut:

We got them in the 200' spools at WC/AS, you just started pulling insert off the spool, kept grapping arm spans, 'til you were there.  Had probably 5' to spare, but better too long... :roll:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: wingtime on April 05, 2014, 07:11:46 PM
Any reputable dealer will be happy to do a compression test right in front of you when you pick up the boat.  They did that for me when I picked up my Explorer and my 170.  Only takes a few minutes.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 05, 2014, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: "wingtime"
Any reputable dealer will be happy to do a compression test right in front of you when you pick up the boat.  They did that for me when I picked up my Explorer and my 170.  Only takes a few minutes.


Good idea, ask them to spot check a few cylinders.  They quoted one hour of labor to do it, maybe that's the shop minimum?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: futch13 on April 06, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
Quote from: "meanjean"
Quote from: "wingtime"
Any reputable dealer will be happy to do a compression test right in front of you when you pick up the boat.  They did that for me when I picked up my Explorer and my 170.  Only takes a few minutes.


Good idea, ask them to spot check a few cylinders.  They quoted one hour of labor to do it, maybe that's the shop minimum?


Yep, that's a standard shop minimum, figure by the time customer talks to the service writer, tech gets boat backed in, cowling pulled, spark plugs pulled, tech gets tools out, spark checker hooked up, compression test done, spark plugs reinstalled, tech put tools up, writes up findings, tech pulls boat out, turns in paperwork, gets put in computer, customer comes in to pick up, asks questions, may need tech's input, help hooking up to boat,etc, etc, shop usually has way more time than 1 hr in boat.  

Every one needs a paycheck. And shop has to pay overhead.  The equipment used to move boat, special tools if required, factory training,etc, etc...

I have been asked many times about getting a motor hooked to our computer for a down load, tell them it's a 1 hr minimum and the customer gets upset because "it only takes 15 minutes to get the download"  I just tell them to go buy their own laptop, software and wire harness to get their own download.

Sorry for the rant, I know most customers do not understand the cost of running a repair shop.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 06, 2014, 09:29:24 PM
No need to apologize, Loye... :salut:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 09, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Guys, need some quick feedback, I'm in az and looked at the boat. In the bilge areas the white gel coat stuff can be pulled up in some areas.  Like on top of the starboard stringer, in the aft acess area. Another is the anchor locker.  I can see the tan stringer under the white.  Some chunks are the size of an index card and less.

Is this an issue to run from?
Sorry for typo, using my phone
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: redemn93 on April 09, 2014, 01:12:19 PM
what do you mean the gealcoat can be pulled up?  you mean the fiberglass?  can you get pics?
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 09, 2014, 01:16:12 PM
I don't know if its gel coat.  whatever the white stuff that Is painted on in the bilge area can be peeled off in small areas.
not sure how to post a picture from my phone onto the form .  

its not everywhere just in a few select locations.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 09, 2014, 01:17:12 PM
the first area I noticed was on top of the stringer.
right next to where the batteries are kept.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 09, 2014, 01:27:50 PM
It's paint.
Flaking with age. :cry:

This is what it looked like new.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data//628/medium/1995_Catalog_pg_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 09, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
"Old" factory paint on stringers (sides fronting bilge) and face of transom.

New paint applied where old was peeling (bilge bottom).

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data//500/WAC_Bilge_ROM_4.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=5334&title=wac-bilge-rom-4&cat=500)

Very common. It is not gel coat.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: Capt. Bob on April 09, 2014, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: "meanjean"
its not everywhere just in a few select locations.

Kinda like where it might get damp I'd guess. :idea:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 09, 2014, 01:38:53 PM
after reading other internet forums I think its a product called bilge coat.  others say it's not an issue and just ugly looking.
structurally it shouldn't be a problem.
anyone have a different opinion
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 09, 2014, 01:40:50 PM
Quote from: "Capt. Bob"
Quote from: "meanjean"
its not everywhere just in a few select locations.

Kinda like where it might get damp I'd guess. :idea:

thanks for the quick reply.
I didn't see your post before my previous posting.
guess it's just cosmetic and nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: seabob4 on April 09, 2014, 01:54:00 PM
Absolutely cosmetic.  The stringers aren't roughed up before the bilge is sprayed with gel.  Eventually, and it happens on ALL makes of boats, the gel will just flake off, exposing the glass underneath.  I've even seen it on Intrepids... :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
Title: Re: Info on AS 250 Exlporer
Post by: meanjean on April 09, 2014, 02:08:00 PM
thanks everyone for the quick reply.
I'll keep you posted on how the boat purchase goes.
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