Classic AquaSport
Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Other Classic Rebuilds => Topic started by: hopefishing on January 15, 2012, 12:52:59 PM
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Well I now have my new to me flatback off the trailer and in the yard. Going to start with a real good cleaning then get it to Hanna Boats here in Labelle for him to take a look and see what we are looking at. Thought I would post some pictures of what I am starting with, and the progress as we go thru this. The boat is 1982 24' Pro Line Flatback. Bought it off craigslist this past week from a gent in Ocala Fl. It orignially had an I/O and the motor seized, he started to put another in, changed his mind and then decided to enclose the transom, then lost intrest. The old girl has sat in the barn since 2001.
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That boat needs lots of love,but has great potential,best of luck with the rebuild. :salut:
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Today I cleaned the outside of the hull then started removing everything. Heres where I ended for the day. This is such a bus. Can't wait to get her running. Could I get opnions on T-top only, or center console with flats tower. A flats tower being up about 5 foot is as much as I think I would do. But I am very undecided on this part of the build. The rest of the boat is not to difficult, just the console area. Opnions appreciated. And anybody got any idea what I am looking at for the below console/tower setup?
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That will be a sweet ride when done, I've never seen one with a I/O before, she looks pretty original except for that transom rebuild attempt.
I went with a 5ft flats tower and love it, once you have had a tower boat you can never go back.
Where do you do most of your fishing?
Capt Matt
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Good deal fellow Tarheel, thanks for the pics.
Nice boat, will be a sweet ride when you're through.
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Thanks for the picks, can't wait to see the finished product, I think a tower like in the pic with maybe a half t-top over the helm would be sweet on that boat.
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Yeah, I am really leaning towards the half tower with upper and lower stations. I guide out of the Everglades National Park and 10K islands. I am trying to set this boat up as my primary guide boat to cover most trips. Shallow water inshore trips and nearshore wrecks and reefs. And of course the joy in having a guide boat is its also my boat. Who did the tower on your boat I saw in your picture Capt. Thats pretty sweet looking. Today I am going to be drawing out a floor plan of what I am asking my fiberglass shop to do. Once I get it on here your opnions would again be appreciated. Have a great day.
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Action welding in Cape Coral made the tower. I got it from a client trade out for charters. I did have a little wielding done on it and I also had it powder coated. At this point of your build I would start looking for a used tower, you can save a ton of cash and build the boat to suit the tower. With everything I did to the tower I have about $2500 invested which is much less than roughly 8-10K for a new tower. There was a nice tower for sale on here if I remember right it was on a 22 flatback.
Capt Matt
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I went today and priced towers and motors and rigging. WOW is all I can say. The motors and rigging were about what I figured, but the price for a new tower and rigging really suprised me. I am going to take your advice and see if I can find a used one as I go, but if not we will just see what happens when the time comes. I wanted to post this rough drawing of the layout I am thinking of and get anyones feedback who would like to give it. Please know I am not an artist and its of course not to scale. This is just something on paper so I can give to my builder and us talk about the options.
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A few things that I will explain starting at the bow
1. I really would like a pulpit of some type for an anchor with a windless that I can operate from my console. This would be a huge help for me when I am by myself I thing
2. The exsisting bow area would remain very close to the same shape with lids being cut on top to make storage areas as shown
3. I have shown a CC with a tee top incase the tower is not in the cards for the time being. In front of the cc would be a yeti cooler for my guest food and beverages
4. the leaning post I would like for my tackle storage area
5. The in floor fish boxes are the biggest question I have to see if they are even possible. If you notice and look at the plan, a lack of deck clutter is what I am trying to acheive. Knowing that there is only so much beam and room maybe the fish boxes are not going to work, but I would love to try. If not in the back, then maybe up front somewhere with one big one.
6 Livewells in each corner is what Mr Hanna at Hanna boats recommended. Said it would be pretty easy to do when he does the transom.
7 and on the stern having a hatch to acess the bilges with a 250 qt yeti on top of it with frozen bait and also a place for my lunch/drinks. Both cooler would have the yeti coushions on top for people to sit on and that would be about the only fabric on the boat. Everything else being durable and easy to clean.
Any info you give on your opnions or been there done that experience are greatly appreciated. This is a first for me, and a big financal moment so I'm just trying to do it right the first time as much as possible.
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This of course is my opinion, but I do not like in floor fish boxes. If they are under there you pretty much have to have a mascerator pump to get the slime and everything else out. I am really liking the setup on my 222 with the large box built into the casting platform. It drains through a thruhull out the starboard but so far I haven't used it that way. For now i just throw a "fish cooler" in it (a 48 qt. fits nice) and use the rest of the space for dry storage. I also like having a casting deck up in the bow to stand on when it is rough. You could still build your storage areas on each side and if you have a really good day fishing just pull other stuff out of the box and throw the catch in. It is much easier to rinse out down the drain and out the side using gravity rather than having to rely on a pump and all the wiring and have access to it if and when it finally dies. I agree that now is the time to decide this. Dry storage under the floor I can understand but not a fishbox. Just my 2 cents but I do speak from experience, my buddy in the keys had a Mako 254 with the in floor boxes and we always and I mean always had a heck of a time when it came time to clean up after a trip. 30, 15 to 45 lb bloody slimy dolphin make a hell of a mess and after being out on the stream all day, cleaning those dang boxes out was the last thing any of us wanted to do! Then we had 1 1/2 hours of cleaning fish after that. No wonder we could never make it to midnight at Sloppy Joe's. :drunken: :drunken: :drunken:
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What helped me when doing my lay out was drawing it to scale, I used the same graph paper you have and made each square 6 inches. I don't think the fish boxes would be hard to do its more about making the lids thats the tough part. That 250qt Yeti would make one hell of a fish box. I like the livewells in the transom idea but plan on filling both wells if you are going to use them as these flatback boats are very weight sensative at the stern.
Yeti has a great deal for us fishing guides on their website, almost 50% off if you fill out the paperwork, and you can buy 2 coolers a year.
The rigging for my boat cost me as much if not more than the rebuild. It is crazy and just runs away with you.
You can always go basic on the rigging to start and then add the extra's on as you go along,
Does the boat need a new floor, stringers or just the transom build?
Capt Matt
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Didn't the Prolines of that era use wood stringers?
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Why not build a complete casting platform on the bow, you could have the capt storage box on 1 side and the charter box on the other side still with a built in cooler/fishbox in between that could drain out onto the deck or out the side. That could also enable you to have a forward below deck storage area. (Similar to the newer style Gause deck layouts).
Another idea would be to have a cooler under your leanpost. I think Birdsail Marine makes a tackle center in thier lean post that allows for a cooler to go under it. And Yeti has slides you can attach to thier coolers so they can slide out from under a console or seat.
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So I think yall are correct, the below deck fish boxes would be nice, but I'm afraid they will be more trouble than they are worth. Capt I owe you for the yeti cooler info, just saved me about a grand there. Today I am also going to take you advice and get good measurements on the boat, then make a to scale drawing. I am likeing the idea of enclosing the front and making the center an if needed fish box. I think also that having a 250 qt on the stern as the primary fish box should be fine for most days, then still having the one up front of about 150 for my guest drinks and lunch then maybe adding one more under the leaning post for frozen bait and my stuff would work out just fine. As for my deck and stringers, Overall the deck is still in great shape. I have some issues to deal with around the fuel tank area, and around the hole where the enging sat. I will be taking the old boat over to Mr Hanna today or tommorrow for him to start the fiberglass side of this adventure so stay tuned. I'm sure there will be more than I think that needs replaced. But I got time.
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The 2 24ft proline rebuilds I have seen both had really flimsy wood stringers in a 4 wide pattern. The stringers only looked to be a 1/2 wide plywood stood on end.
Raising the deck at least 3 inches is a good idea too if you want the boat to self drain
Capt Matt
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Found this tower today, may be worth looking at http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/2770719897.html (http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/2770719897.html)
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thanks hook, I will give them a ring in the morning
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Even if the tower is close to what you want and in good shape get it. I have a buddy down here who did the cutting and wielding on mine and I can hook you up with him. Then I built my console to fit the tower. Main thing is you measure to see how much deck room you have to get around it. A upper console box is about $400 then comes the rigging stuff. Its crazy how cheap used towers are but unless you are doing a rebuild odds are you would never find one that fits. PO's loss is our gain
Let me know how your motor shopping goes
Capt Matt
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Anybody recommend a certain hp motor. I have no data plate to tell me max rated hp. I am looking for a good combonation of speed/power and fuel economy, with no waste of hp. I have a friend who has the same boat with a HUGE stainless steel platform/tower and his boat with a 150 does about 40mph wot. I'm leaning towards a 200 but again open to opnions and thoughts. Also while I'm not opposed to any other brand I have only owned yamahas.
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We saw one of these at the Atlanta boat show last week. Very simple and easy to work on. No compressors or multi-valves. The weight and the price was right too. I don't know about performance on your hull but it should do fine as long as you don't wan't a 60 MPH boat.
http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/ou ... rokes/150/ (http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/outboards/fourstrokes/150/)
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Capt Matt steered you correctly about weight in the rear, it will kill the way these boats sit / run. I would recommend trying to get the livewell under the seat if possible.
Regarding power, I think you would do well with a 175/200. I have a 150 on my 222 and it is perfect, but with a bigger boat I would prefer a little more power. You might check out a 'Zuke 175 (same weight as a 150, because it's the same block), or possibly an Etec (they are also fairly light motors). I *believe* Yamaha makes some of the heaviest motors... so just be aware.
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If speed/power and fuel economy is what you are looking for Mercury Optimax is the way to go, and you will more than likely save money on the purchase as well.
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Opti Max 200 or 225
Like everyone did not know that is what I would say
Capt Matt
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Anybody recommend a certain hp motor. I have no data plate to tell me max rated hp. I am looking for a good combonation of speed/power and fuel economy, with no waste of hp. I have a friend who has the same boat with a HUGE stainless steel platform/tower and his boat with a 150 does about 40mph wot. I'm leaning towards a 200 but again open to opnions and thoughts. Also while I'm not opposed to any other brand I have only owned yamahas.
I own a 24' proline flatback that I rebuilt. I powered my hull with a DF 175 Suzuki. It is plenty
of power for the boat.
These hulls are not designed for speed. My boat gets on plane with a full load with ease. Cruises at 30 right at 4000 rpms and runs 44 at WOT.
Depending on conditions I get 3.5 to 4 MPG. IMO it is plenty of power and anything more is a waste on the flat back hull design.
Your hull design appears to be a little different than mine from what I can see in the pictures. It appears you do not have a true flat back but have some degree of a V all the way down the hull.
I am not positive but I dont even think Proline made a flat back 24' after 1973.
I am not a fan of towers so I did not install one on my boat. I did however set it up so one could be installed if ever the boat was sold after I was dead. :lol:
I agree with Matt and Lil richard. Two much weight in the rear of these boats will cause performance issues as will to much weight forward.
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Flatback rebuilds are all about balance.
Move the fuel tank forward to offset the motor if you go with a bracket
Capt Matt
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Hmm so scrap the livewells in the transom idea? Off the stern I will have the swim platform, a power pole, motor on probably a bobs jackplate(unless someone can explain how the portabracket will be worth the extra 1800) and then a 250 qt yeti to use as my fish box. I can move the livewell to the leaning post and buy one of the hammerhead types to put there, but a large livewell will be a must. (and the clear lid is great for kids to watch the bait I have learned.) Heres a picture by the way of the stern.
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My fleet, introducing the proline to the duracraft slowly.
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Regarding your need for all the cooler space, I think you should put a cooler/fishbox somewhere built into the front casting deck. Many of the flatbacks and vhull early aqua's have the built in cooler as the very front compartment on thier casting deck. They simply drain overboard out the port gunwale.
Here's the layout of my front casting deck: the 2 side by side hatches open to 1 large compartment and the large front hatch is an "insulated" compartment. (The insulation might not be that effective at this point as it's about 40years old).
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Additionally you could contour your front casting deck to have an area that would allow a cooler to set in it (at floor level) and have the casting platform flank around the sides (look at the styling of the Yellowfin 24's casting deck).
I dont know if you already have a console or plan to buy/build one, but you could always remove the front console seat (if yours has one) and replace the seat with a cooler for the clients to sit on. I know Yeti offers a pad that snaps to the lid.
Also wondering: you mentioned you guide in the everglades I think; what kind of fish are your clients keeping? Seems like you're looking for an aweful lot of cooler space for inshore fishing.
Have you decided how you're going to finish out the stern? If you leave it like it is,I think you could have a jack plate as long as it has a large off-set, but the benefit of the Porta Bracket is that it provides the necessary set back to have the engine fully trimmed out of the water. I think the problem you will run into with a jackplate is that the motor will not be able to go through the full trim cycle due to the cowling hitting the transom.
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Just took another look at page 1 of your post, you could even fit a cooler inbetween the existing forward casting platform and just put some hatches into the existing boxes.
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Good thinking re. the livewell in the leaning post area.
All kinds of add-on options as well...full leaning post above, footrest, rodholders, etc.
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IMHO, early flatbacks, AS or PL, as well as the 12 degree deadrise hulls, were pretty much designed with the max horse available at the time to probably around 150, more likely 75s through 90s. The weight of the 3 cylinders was so much less then even the lightest I/4 (Yam and Suz 115/130/135/140/150s) and DEFINITELY much less than either the Opti or Etec V-6 150.
So, once again, IMHO, we are looking at slapping a motor on a boat that, 1) was never designed for it, and 2) those motors weren't even a twinkle in their Daddy's eye when those boats were built...
So, all that being said, and getting rid of as much accumulated water weight (read that saturated foam and transoms), and shifting some of the above decks glass weight forward, as well as any tanks...150 Opti is my choice...
JMHO...
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IMHO, early flatbacks, AS or PL, as well as the 12 degree deadrise hulls, were pretty much designed with the max horse available at the time to probably around 150, more likely 75s through 90s. The weight of the 3 cylinders was so much less then even the lightest I/4 (Yam and Suz 115/130/135/140/150s) and DEFINITELY much less than either the Opti or Etec V-6 150.
So, once again, IMHO, we are looking at slapping a motor on a boat that, 1) was never designed for it, and 2) those motors weren't even a twinkle in their Daddy's eye when those boats were built...
So, all that being said, and getting rid of as much accumulated water weight (read that saturated foam and transoms), and shifting some of the above decks glass weight forward, as well as any tanks...150 Opti is my choice...
JMHO...
Bob you are so right about these old boats-
Big engines are a waste of money and fuel on these boats. I had the opportunity to help rig and test run '73-'76 new mostly 19-6 and 22-2's when I was in high school working for a local dealer. Plus we owned a '73 22-2 CC and a '76 22-2 FF (new) Standard power for us in those days was twin 65 or 70 Evinrudes for 22-2's and single 135's for 19-6's. A single 135 on a 22-2 didn't carry a load like twin 65's and single 135 was perfect on a 19-6. Twin 65's were too heavy for a 19-6. These were non power trim and aluminum prop set ups. When the "new" OMC SST stainless prop was introduced in '74 we thought we died and went to heaven. A major leap forward from the old straight blade aluminum props. The point is that the sweet spot running speed on 19-6's and 22-2's 12 degree bottoms was 27-29 mph. The design of the hull was perfect at those speeds. You could hit the sweet spot with twin 65's at 4300 rpm with 15pitch SST's or 17P straight blades. The engines would tach about 5900 and about 34 mph with a 4 person load and gear, run out of Ponce Inlet (Daytona) to the gulf stream and back 45 miles each way on about 37 gallons of gas. What more did you need? They self bailed with those twins and did everything right. So if your running a 200 or twin 115's like I am; you still wind up running at 27 mph for that just right cruise speed. My boat runs 23 mph @3700 on one engine and 31 mph @ 4800 WOT with a 18P 4 blade. Now at the same 3700 with both engines running she runs 27 mph at cruise and 43 mph @ 5250 WOT. So I surely don't need 230 hp to cruise @ 27 mph. When Scott's (gran398) rebuild is done with his twin 75 2 stroke Mercs he is going to have the perfect 22-2 power in my eyes.
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My flatback originally came with the twin 65hp featherlights, In 1969 she cost $3200 this price amazingly was with a trailer and options. The PO gave me the original bill of sale and pamphlet with all the available options listed Any idea what those twin motors weighed?
She is now rigged with a 175 pro XS and runs 30mph at 3600rpm @ 6GPH loaded or not with a 17P 4 blade, You could not be more right about the 28-30mph being the perfect speed for these hulls. She will do 46 mph WOT but anything over 40mph is really of no use on these boats, its just more than the hull speed she was designed for and gives you that uncomfortable "a little out of control" feeling. To me its all about the low fuel consumption at cruise and the ability to jump up quickly on plane. I believe outboards just run longer when operated between 3000-4000 rpm.
I think a 150 opti would need maybe 4000rpm for that same 30mph cruise speed and burn a little more fuel than I do but it would be such a small difference it would not really mater. A 150 would hit that 40mph top end. I opted for the extra power as it was the same weight motor and i often carry 4 anglers and all the stuff that goes along with them. No matter how much weight, even with 6 clients on board my boat jumps up on plane in a few boat lengths max even in super shallow water. I'm sure a 150opti would do the same.
In my opinion the porta bracket was well worth the money. To do close to the same thing you would need a bracket and a jack plate which would be close to the same expense. I love the amount of lift it gives the motor, 31 inches for shallow water operation. It's my favorite of all the options I added to my ride. It responds what seems like much faster than any jack plate I have ever ran. They are a super simple system and seem almost bullet proof.
I have one 105qt Yeti mounted in front of my console with a cushion on top, Its a great seat for 2 clients and is plenty big enough. Fish caught during my charters I keep alive in my livewell until the end of the charter then I bleed them out while coming in. Could not bring myself to put fish in my expensive cooler. When I cut bait fish I carry a small cut bait cooler 30qt.
Capt Matt
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Wait a minute, Matt, you have a 105 qt Yeti, one of, if not the best cooler out there, and you only use it for ice? Blasphemy!!! :lol: :lol:
Love the gasket, like a frikkin refridgerator!! :thumleft: :thumleft:
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I use it for Mountain Dew's, H2O and canned vienna sausages only, for some reason I love the mechanically processed meat snacks while out on the boat
I'm a purest and can't take the smell/taste of fish on my mountain dew's, I usually stink of fish at the end of a good days trip but don't want it on my soda's.
Capt Matt
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Vienna Sausages, Cheetos (fried, not baked), and Mountain Dew. A bonafide history lesson is in need here...
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Fitz...your experience as a teen, and your recollection of such...hopefully twenty years from now...all of our input will be archived by someone.
Matt, you have taken Fitz's thinking..although independent from your initial thoughts...and applied it to your working hull.
Point being...it doesn't take 250 hp to plane or efficiently run a flatback or 12 degree Aquasport...or Proline.
And when you push them over forty mph with the extra power...they really don't want to go there.
"A boat for every sea...and a sea for every boat."
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I knew these old boats were not designed for the power or weight of todays motors. I even tried to get in touch with Pro Line last week to see if they could advise on the cg data plate, but I see they may be hard/impossible to reach for a while. First on the cooler space and being a inshore guide, with this boat I am trying to make as verstile a fishing platform as I possibly can. I will continue to have my flats boat for strictly inshore fishing and with this one will be doing some inshore, but more nearshore and lots of bird tours. 4-6 guys on a near shore reef/wreck on a good bite can fill a 250 qt cooler faster than you think. I also stay out overnight camping and shuttling kayaks so the cooler space is necessary. And Capt, I am just like you in the fact that I love vienna's on my boat. Eat them about every time I'm out. Love to ope the can, then dunk them in the saltwater then ahh fine dining. It intresting to hear about all these older motors and the history of these boats. I was 4 when this boat was made, so its before my time of remberance, but I love the history. I understand now with the portabracket and the benefits it will bring. Makes sense and seems worth the price. I am going to start making calls on motors first of next week. On my way out today for charters till Tuesday so the big girl must wait till next week. Mr Hanna at Hanna Boats here in Labelle should have a bay in his shop open by then and she will be making the trip over there to begin his portion and get this show on the road. I thank all of you for your opnions and help with this so far. Its hard to see all sides of a circle. have a great weekend.
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Here is a picture of the transom area of my Flat back.
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See the difference? Yours has some degree of V. In your case I do not think it is a bad thing since you will be doing more nearshore fishing with it.
I still have all the measurements for fuel tank,bait well and console placement. If you would like them let me know.
If you notice I had the optional swim platforms built into my bracket. You may consider if you go with a Porta Bracket. If I remember correctly it was about a 500.00 option. IMO worth it.
The next picture is my fore deck. I went with one single hatch and use the entire bow of the boat for storage.
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I kept the console small and installed the live well behind it. I did not want a T-top,leaning post or tower. I like simple.I had a set of rod holders built by Marine Specialtys to mount on the back of the well. I like the Live well as far as its capability to hold a ton of bait but I am working on a new design for the out side of it to make it more versatile. The first one will go in my boat.
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I kept my boat as simple as possible. I wanted it as low maintenance as possible.
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what year is your boat steve? it seems they changed from total flatback to that slight v with those mini "strakes" around 74 or 75. my friends got a 73 and its still total flat. and its got the aquasport tumblehome to it, this ones almost straight up and down.
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what year is your boat steve? it seems they changed from total flatback to that slight v with those mini "strakes" around 74 or 75. my friends got a 73 and its still total flat. and its got the aquasport tumblehome to it, this ones almost straight up and down.
Mine did not have a title or any ID #s when I bought it. No title either,(never buy a boat without a title)so the exact year I do not know.
I am not positive but I think proline stopped making the FB in the mid 70s. I think it was on the later model FB's that the sides were taller and they were wider at the back. Much heavier also from what I have been told.
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Ok, got the ball moving again. My local builder has disappeared, said he would call and we would get started. (cue the crickets). So I have looked around and settled on Coarsey Custom Fiberglass up in Cheifland. Taking her up there Monday morning to get started. There are just some people that as soon as you talk to them on the phone you know you will get along with, and Mr Robert is it for me. I am excited to begin. I will keep the pictures and info coming as my girl gets a new lease on life. And thanks to all for all the opnions and info, its been a great help.
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Well dropped her off yesterday. Heres the lowdown. Shes getting totally gutted, new stringers, double lamination of the hull, new floor, new flotation foam. Anchor locker up front on the bow cap that will be self draining. Down to a large deck that will house two 48" long boxes, one will be dry storage, one will be an insulated fish box. This will drain right onto the deck so no need for pumps, hoses etc. Center console with windsheild, and grab bar with an 80 qt cooler seat in front. 40 gallon livewell leaning post. I'm not sure if anyone has seen the old pro 2400 boats that Coarsey boats build but I went with the stern like theres. There will be a box on each corner of the stern and this serves a few purposes. One side will be an 80 qt cooler, the other box is where all the rigging comes in. It will house my pumps, hoses, etc etc. I will also be able to put my safety gear in this area. The other reason for this is that it reduces the amount of open transom and enables him to tie in his reenforcement in the corners and hide the work. Molded in swimplatform on one side, 10' Powerpole on the other. Going with a jackplate for the moment with the goal to move to a portabracket one day. deck will be raised up a few inches and will be truley self bailing. Rod holders in the gunnels, under gunnel rod storage. Pop up cleats (4) with a standard cleat on the bow for the anchor. New gelcoat on outside hull and going to add two tone color. White on the keel, to a light color (undecided on a light blue, green or maybe fighting lady yellow) to a white cap. Inside will be a mottled looking color that should be easy to keep clean. I was expecting about 6-8 months on this process, I nearly fell out of my chair when he said he would start this week and should be finished in 60 days tops. So thats where we stand. I'll keep yall posted and get pictures as I can get up there.
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Excellent!!! I like your plan. The only question I have is when you do put fish in the front box will you plug it so it doesn't drain onto the deck while your clients are walking around? I still like having a fish cooler inside it so it won't drain out, then if you catch a bunch just pull the cooler out. I found the pic of the in floor box in the Mako we used to fish in. I think you can see why I don't like them!
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Yeah the fish box is plugged so you can drain it as you want/need to. its also divided w so he said what other guides do, is put a layer of ice down in the rear portion, fill up the front portion and leave a scoop in there and just keep iceing the fish down as you put more in the rear box. There is a lid in each end, and the divider is removable so you can have one large box for your larger length fish.
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Picked up a used tower today. Going to give it a good cleaning, then get it moved up to Mr Robert. I will have the added expense of the upper controls, but I think I got the tower at enough of a bargin that I will be ok.
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I like the fact that the tower and console are narrow. Will make maneuvering around the boat easy, makes a big difference.
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Is that the Eggebrecht's shop in Sarasota? Shelving right by the front bay door.
Picked up a used tower today. Going to give it a good cleaning, then get it moved up to Mr Robert. I will have the added expense of the upper controls, but I think I got the tower at enough of a bargin that I will be ok.
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Yes its at the Andros Boat Shop. Came off a 2006 26' Andros.
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They are good eggs down there. Those boys have always been supportive of Shipoke, and we are now the builder of the Abaco Skiffs that they previously built. The new 32's that they are building are pretty impressive. I hear that Don is doing well after his kidney transplant last week. What a blessing to get matched up with a donor.
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They are good eggs down there. Those boys have always been supportive of Shipoke, and we are now the builder of the Abaco Skiffs that they previously built. The new 32's that they are building are pretty impressive. I hear that Don is doing well after his kidney transplant last week. What a blessing to get matched up with a donor.
hope,
That is a good-looking top. You picked it up right.
Exactly what you were looking for...quick too...and looks to be perfect :thumright:
And best to you and Eugene's friend on his good fortune and recovery. God Bless.
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just curious, if u dont mind, how much did u pick that tower up for? That thing is awesome!!
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I happened upon it on craigslist. It was listed for $1500.00. I went in, looked at it, and paid him what he wanted. I think it was an overly fair price on his part. Heading there now to pick it up.
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I happened upon it on craigslist. It was listed for $1500.00. I went in, looked at it, and paid him what he wanted. I think it was an overly fair price on his part. Heading there now to pick it up.
Are you sure you dont want a Full/Folding tower for your 24' proline? A full tower would be REALLY sweet on that 24... ...and best of all, Id gladly buy that 1/2 Tower from you for exactly what you paid for it. :lol:
You scored on that one. Did it come with the console as well?
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I appreciate the offer, but I think I will keep the tower I got. 8). That will be tall enough for me. Andy at Andros is a great guy to work with, and very fair in his pricing. In fact today I went to get the tower, and ended up also buying a 2010 175hp suzuki, all the controls for my tower, and a portabracket from him as well. Going back on wensday to pick all of it up. The motor has about 100 hours on it, and comes with a 4 blade prop. Anyone give me the opnions on Suzukis? I have never owned one (all yamaha) but couldn't pass up the deal. I did notice that several of you on here have them. Opnions and reviews from current owners would be appreciated.
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Anyone give me the opnions on Suzukis? I have never owned one (all yamaha) but couldn't pass up the deal.
I've heard only great things about them.. From whats been said around my parts "The Suzukis are the top dogs right now" use to be Yamaha.
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You are going to LOVE that Suzuki! The one thing that is going to surprise you is how well your boat will jump on plane,and your going to sip fuel once you get it propped right.
I did a lot of asking questions to a lot of people who owned Suzukis before I bought my 175. Two different commercial guys I talked to had 225's on there boats. One has over 4000 hrs and the other over 2000 hrs with no problems other than normal maintenance.
The others I spoke to I asked about fuel consumption and power. Nothing but rave reviews.
I do the lower unit and engine oil changes on mine myself. Very easy.
I am getting about 4 mpg with mine.
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your gonna love that porta bracket with the blinker style switch, a must have on a flatback boat for shallow water SWFL operation. Helms, switches and lots of other stuff too that would have cost you a bunch more than what you paid for the whole set up
Capt Matt
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I got some pictures emailed to me from a gent that lives up there and is on another forum I peruse.
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I also was in the neighborhood yesterday and stopped by, I should of gotten some more pictures, but did not have a camera. They have the boat down to the bare hull now. The stringers and floor were all as expected, rotted, but i have a sound hull so we are in good shape. I will get more pictures on as I can. And Patton, I am heading up to Andros to see Andy here in a bit, I am not sure of the setback on the portabracket, and will ask. I will get some better pictures of the tower and motor when they are in my possesion. On another note, does anyone know how to go about changing the title of the boat from inboard to outboard. I did swap the title over when I bought the hull, and will be going to ge the boat registered before to long, but assume I need to change this. I'm lost in this dept so any advice would be appreciated.
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Also trying to think ahead, does anyone have advice on where to purchase the following electronics from? Humminbird 1198, 8'powerpolewith the bracket for the portabrcket (this chances are Mr Robert who is doing the rebuild can get) a good marine vhf, and a decent stero with iphone hookup and aux input.
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Also trying to think ahead, does anyone have advice on where to purchase the following electronics from? Humminbird 1198, 8'powerpolewith the bracket for the portabrcket (this chances are Mr Robert who is doing the rebuild can get) a good marine vhf, and a decent stero with iphone hookup and aux input.
Charlie,
You may have to get an FWC inspection in order to get the title changed to outboard. You need to check with the DMV on that.
I know someone who has a bottom machine you may be interested in. Give me a call I dont want to put his number out in public.
813-727-8843
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Capt I will give you a call about the sounder tommorrow. And can anyone tell me if its even necessary for me to worry about changing the paperwork on the boat. I have no plans to sale the boat, and it came with a title (which has been changed over to my name). The local DMV asked me if I wanted to register it when I did this and I said no, they gave me a paper showing the boat and the registration numbers just not active at this time. So at any time I can just go in and get a sticker no problem. Is there a reason why I should even mess the the DMV on this? I mean I could register, get a sticker then ask the DMV, so at least I can put the boat to work and not get caught up in the machine.
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I love living in a small town. Called the tag office today, explained what was going on. She said bring your title and come see me. Went in, paid a total of 66 dollars and came out with a new title showing the boat is an outboard, and commercial charter registration expiring in May of 2013. Much more painless than I thought it was going to be.
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Well this week I have been attending to other things, not sure how much progress has been made in the shop on the boat, going to get up there on Monday to drop off the tower, motor, portabracket all the controls and all the electronics. I ended up going ahead and getting everything that I wanted to put in the console now so Mr Robert can have everything in hand to flush mount. Ended up going with a Garmin 740S for my primary chartplotter/backup sounder, Humminbird 898c SI for my primary sounder/backup chartplotter, then of course a good vhf, and a stereo with a wired remote for the tower. Still trying to stay really simple, but I love garmins for their mapping, and I really love the humminbirds for their side and down imaging so 2 displays was a must. I have some pictures that a fellow sent me of the boat stripped down to the hull that I will get on here as soon as I have a minute.
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You will like that Garmin 740s. That is what I went with. Like you I also want to ad side imaging sonar. That will have to wait.
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So this is where the boat was to as of last week.
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I am heading up there on Monday with all the plunder and will get some pictures of the progress that was made over the past week. Capt Steve, I currently use a Humminbird 998 on my other boat and love it. So by dropping to the 898 and a 7" screen with the Garmin which is also the 7" screen I hope to get the best of both worlds. I called your friend and would love to have the unit he has, but its way above my budget when you add the other equipment to get side scan capability. I bought the 740 off ebay, and the 898 from a website, and have 2400 total in both so I think I did ok.
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Went by yesterday and dropped off the tower, motor, portabracket and all the electronics. Got some pictures of where we are at thus far.
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Mr Robert said that the hull is one of the beefiest hull he has ever seen. Very sturdy and in great shape. He had me touching the top cap to show me how thick it was said he had never seen one that thick. He thinks that this boat was built a little heavier due to it being an I/O. Said he only thinks a few of this particuar model were built and that could be what was going on. But either way lucky break for me I guess.
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Mr. Robert knows his business. That is a lot of glass for a hullside layup.
You could darn near see through my 22-2.... good for you :thumright:
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I am trying to learn the history of these style boats and wanted to see if anyone can confirm what I have been told. I was told that the early Pro Line flatbacks were actually 22 aquasports that would have the transom cut out, 2 additional feet added and by making this change this changed the percent of the product that made it legal for Pro Line to then put their name on the boat. But I am wondering if this is true as I have read that the stringers were different in the two boats with the Aquasports having a better stringer system than the old Pro Lines. On the model that I am having redone, a 1982 I was told that this was one of the first models that was all Pro Line. they designed, and built the entire boat using no one elses products. Its not a big deal, I was just trying to educate myself on the history and learn all I could. Any other insight on this would be appreciated.
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My buddys got a 73 and it is identical from what i can tell, just 2 feet longer. I think they had 4 wood stringers in em, different cap etc. the later ones like yours have kind of a flat spot on the stem right under the rubrail and those 2 lil ''strakes'' down the bottom. Alot less tumblehome in the stern on the later ones too...
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Prolines where the original grass flat guide boats and built somewhere around crystal river. The 24 flatbacks I have seen where 4 wooden stringers wide and the stringers where maybe only 3/4inches wide. The older 24's are the exact same beam as a 22 flatback aquasport. Ever see a 22 suncoast, talk about a flatback copy...
Capt matt
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Well heres where we are as of today.
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That's not regular pressure treated plywood is it? Did you request that they not glass the underside of the deck?
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No, its kiln dry marine grade, and as far as the underside goes, didn't really request one way or the other. I will have to ask Mr Robert the details on this one.
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Just curious about how they are doing it,,, I've seen/read rebuilds doing the underside with and without enclosing the underside with glass of some type (mat or heavier), but I've also see where people rationalize that not glassing allows the wood to breath/dry if it gets wet...
Excited to see it finished though, I looked at 2 24 prolines when i was looking for a boat and loved all the space in them. really liked the extra 2 feet but didnt pull the trigger on one.
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Looks like they sealed the under side of the decking with something. Maybe epoxy or fg resin?
Looks like some progress is being made. I look forward to your updates.
BTW I am just wondering. Is there any particular reason your fuel fill is on the starboard side rather than port?
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Capt Steve , the hardest part of this for me is the waiting. I will be at the shop Tuesday and will find out what he put on the bottom of the deck. For the fuel fill, that's where it was originally on the cap so I'm sure he's just using that hole.
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Heres where we are as of today.
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Looking up from the stern
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Anchor locker, drains direct out the side
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boxes on each side of the stern. These will help strengthen the transom. One will be a rigging box the other a cooler.
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Cooler side
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Rigging side
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front boxes, oneside is drystorage, the other is a insulated fishbox,
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Heading up tommorrow to see it all for myself, and talk with Mr Robert about everything. I will keep yall posted and I thank you for the help and opnions. Truly grateful.
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I'd make sure they reinforce the hell out of the inside of the transom where the boxes meet. Seems kinda strange that the transom isn't continuous across the back. The old formulas and bertrams had a stepped transom like that, but they were built in a mold and laid differently. I'd think that you would need more overlap on your plywood, plus lots, and lots of glass laminations on the inside to make up for it. Glass looks kind of thin as is. If your adding a portabracket it will be even worse.... just sayin.
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Im nobody around here really, but have seen a ton of transom rebuilds and you need waaay more glass and I would want knees tying the stringers to the transom...i would be worried about the strength of the current transom set up...listen to these guys, they know their sh#t...
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First Gents, please feel free to post your opnions and thoughts as I continue thru this. There is no reason to feel you have to step lightly. I value the input from all. I am good at running boats and catching fish, building boats is something I have not gotten into yet in my 34 years. That being said, I also have a high degree of trust in my builder. I talked with many builders in the state and while all were proffesional and good at what they did, I settled on Coarsey Fiberglass Unlimited as Mr Robert and his crew make fine boats,and are great "old Florida" folks to work with. There are a few questions that I want to ask him today concerning the glass on both sides of the deck, and things related to that. On the transom side, there is still much work to be completed there. This was one area that he and I talked about extensively. The transom was in good shape considering, the addition you see off the center stern was to cover the hole the I/O came out. Remember this boat was not orginally an outboard. Now the building will start from the transom back into the boat between the boxes, and also using the boxes as more structrual support. I will keep posting pictures of this as we go so you all can see. I have seen the finished work on several of his other boats and was really impressed with the boats.
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that transom only has what looks like 2" at the most of overlaping plywood. That is not nearly enough even with the "Boxes" wrapped into that. They should have had a atl east 1 1/2" thick ply doing all the way across the back of the boat, and that should be tied into the boat by multiple layers up each side of the gunwales, and then off the stringers, knees going up a foot or so onto the transom. The torque and deadweight of a 4stroke off a bracket on that transom is way more than what is there can handle.
It seems like they are using the absolute minimum on materials so far through the build.
Are they putting the liner back in the boat?
Sorry if this seems harsh but there are multiple examples of really well built boats on this and other sites online and these guys dont seem to really be following/going along with what the majority of others do... You're going to be using the heck out of your boat (way more than most of us will use ours probably),,, so we'd hate to see you have problems or "what the heck" moments after you've paid your hard earned $! plenty of examples on here of guys who have dropped off boats to "good guys" and picked up "finished" products that they are not happy with.
Take pictures, do research and dont be afraid to question what they are doing to your boat.
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* The fact that the boat was not originally an outboard--- means that much more re-enforcement should be required to beef up the transom.
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I want to commend you though for posting all pics and for being open to constructive comments made by everyone...i had an old proline flatback that I half rebuilt then sold cuz it wasnt the boat I needed for the fishing I do...im still in love with them though... Im sure its going to be beautiful
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Well hopefishing you want to know so I will tell you my concerns-
I am not seeing the build quality going into this repair. I'm seeing what appear to be drywall screws holding things in place. I'm seeing cathair, not roven and woven materials, way light on resin, the same inadequate stringer system that the boat came with. Patchwork with various pieces of plywood,timbers and screws in the floor of those boxes. The work looks like someone who doesn't have a lot of experience doing the work and does not look like a professional boat builders workmanship. I hope I'm wrong and this going to turn into a gem but you wanted honest opinions.
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your gonna need a way to anchor that tower down good too, metal plate under the deck or something.
Dont let them just screw it into the deck it will tear the whole deck out if you run aground or get into some heavy sea's
Capt Matt
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Man, good point...can just see someone being up there with the sun in their eyes running WOT and going hard aground. In theory you and the tower could go right over the bow.
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Again I thank you all for your opnions and thoughts. Capt Matt that is very good advice and something I will be addressing and talking with Mr Robert about. On the transom concerns I will have to keep posting pictures as I can to let you all see what is being done. I was there today and watched them working on her and talked with the guys about the work to be done. I noticed today seeing the boat, and then looking at the pictures, that its very hard to show the work in a good way that has the dimesions and actual quality of the work being done. All hardware is stainless, checked that myself today. All the deck was coated top and bottom. New fuel tank same size 55 gallon. At the transom it looks like patchwork in the pictures, but that is acutally a drain trough. Its a few inches lower there. There will be no liner going back in, the top cap will be place back on with an anchor locker in the bow. This will come back to the stern boxes, and will have a 14" gunnel running between the two boxes on the stern. Under the cap will be braces built down the side which will also be rod storage. The deck has been raised several inches and the boat will be truly self bailing once she is complete. She is also being hand laid. One big selling point on my end is that this is a working boat, so all potential customers on my end could be customers on his end. I again appreciate ALL advice and comments, if I didn't want comments it would not be on a public forum. Its very intresting to me to hear all the different views and thoughts. I will say I have no question of this shop and the work ethic I am seeing. They are craftsman. At the close of this week they hope to have the interior build portion completed and next week roll her over to begin on the outside.
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These are a few pictures from Rick's rebuild. An awesome job from start to finish.
I also started work on the transom knees:
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This is a great example of how to tie your transom into the stringers. Note that the transom is 1 solid/consistant level all the way across. And if you go to page 4 of this rebuild, you will see that it is atleast 3 inches thick all the way across. This is a great thread to study and try to copy- it's a 2-22 flatback- basically your boat...
Glad you're checking things out as you go!
*Rick- hope you dont mind using some of your pics!
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I just can't see the strength you need coming from putting it together like it is now. Remember, when the motor is in forward gear and running it is pushing on the top edge of the transom towards the bow. I don't think what I am seeing will be able to take the stress unless it gets a whole lot more layers ( of both ply and biaxial). Here is a link to a transom rebuild over on Bateau2. Compare it to the job you are getting. I will try to call Shine tomorrow and see if I can get him to throw his 2 cents in as well. You really need to listen to these guys, Slip and Fitz and Matt and the rest know what they are talking about. My. 02!
Look at the pics on page 2 and you tell us if you see any differences.
http://boatbuildercentral.com/howto/tra ... /index.php (http://boatbuildercentral.com/howto/transom_repair/index.php)
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This boat will be rotten away in 3-4 years with soft floors and spider cracks all over. This is the old way of doing things when they rebuilt the boat every 5 years. Good luck tho
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This boat will be rotten away in 3-4 years with soft floors and spider cracks all over. This is the old way of doing things when they rebuilt the boat every 5 years. Good luck tho
:roll: I'll keep that in mind on our 40' commercial boat with original 1979 deck.
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I really think that the subject of questionable workmanship has been covered quite thouroughly by this point. I feel like its time for the more experienced members to contribute what they would do next...what is the next step for this man...i can see the craftmanship is lacking when compared to other builds I have seen. I think now we as a community should begin to point him in a direction that would benefit him and his future business....
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Technically no one has done anything wrong. If hopefishing is only paying a couple of thousand to get this done then no harm no foul and he is getting what he paid for which is not a crime. If this is a $10-15K rebuild than thats a horse of another color. Short of telling the builder to halt and rip it back down and start over based on a "forums" conclusion, I'd say the advice has been handed to hopefishing to do with as he pleases. This is a prime example of what doing your homework and really getting into the nuts and bolts of a rebuild with your builder with either yourself or a trusted expert before the demolition starts and you get these results. To be honest with you, the proline of the 1970's wasn't really built that much better than what your seeing in this rebuild...We've seen enough of them opened up on this forum to understand the level of quailty wasn't there.
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only concern i have is what appears to be the lack of structural glass tabbing everything in, and the transom at least needed the recessed part filled in then continue recoring the full width of the transom, probably a full 3/4" sheet. i dont think its a matter of not lasting due to rot, but more due to things shearing apart from not enough structural glass. looks like all surfaces are getting sealed though. not sure about that being marine plywood either, too many knots.
do you have any info on the stringer and transom layup? or more pics?
i would ask about that and the glass thats doing the tabbing for everything...
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My guess from looking at the pictures is they are not even close to being done with the glass work at this stage. The deck looks to be bonded and screwed but no glass yet.
The boxes at the transom look to be just set in place also so may just doing some fitting?
IMO the stringer system is fine. If the originals last 30 years whats wrong with replacing them the same way?
I dont know what Charlies budget is but I know what mine was when I built my 24 and it did not include turning it into the Queen Mary.
Some of the above post are why I did not post up my build on this forum as it went along. I did not need the criticism from people that were only looking at pictures.
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Capt Steve I couldnt agree with you more...budgets are limited for some of us! Me very much included...that was one of the reasons I bought instead of built, came out way cheaper this way...i think there are issues like the ones you mentioned about there being enough glass, the deck etc that should be brought up to the builder, not necessarily ripped out and redone...i agree that the 4 stringer system in the boat from factory is a good system for the boat...not every boat has to have the grid system...
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Hello Gents, been on the other boat working today and just saw all this. Capt Steve you are correct, still alot of work to do, the stern boxes when these pictures were taken was just being framed and fitted.. No glass on the decks etc etc. Again its very hard to judge what your seeing thru the pictures. I can only say that everytime I go up and look at the work thats being done, and run my hands on her, I am happy and satisfied with the craftsmanship and work being done. She will not be perfect, but I do not expect her to be. If that was the case I would of purchased a new boat, and that wouldnt be perfect either, just cost more. I will post some more pics on here a little later down the road, for those that are intrested. Have a good day.
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Hello Gents, been on the other boat working today and just saw all this. Capt Steve you are correct, still alot of work to do, the stern boxes when these pictures were taken was just being framed and fitted.. No glass on the decks etc etc. Again its very hard to judge what your seeing thru the pictures. I can only say that everytime I go up and look at the work thats being done, and run my hands on her, I am happy and satisfied with the craftsmanship and work being done. She will not be perfect, but I do not expect her to be. If that was the case I would of purchased a new boat, and that wouldnt be perfect either, just cost more. I will post some more pics on here a little later down the road, for those that are intrested. Have a good day.
Charlie I can guarantee you none of the boats rebuilt are perfect. I think you may have the same train of thought I had when I rebuilt mine.
Its a boat that will double as a work boat and pleasure. Build it to fancy and then you are afraid to use it. When you guide out of these boats they are going to get beat up a bit. Plain and simple. If its not getting a ding here and there you are either to anal to fish with or you just pretend to run charters. :D
Excited to see the progress. Cant wait to see the finished product.
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Steve, Charlie asked for totally honest opinions, and that is what he received. And would have to say that regardless of the comments, they were all made in good faith, trying to help Charlie get a good job.
And although Charlie found some of them tough to read, he was/is a gentleman, and expressed his gratitude.
Steve, your boat turned out great. If you don't mind, how were your decks laid up/finished out, and what did you do in terms of tower leg support beneath the deck in that area. Thanks.
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Hello Gents, been on the other boat working today and just saw all this. Capt Steve you are correct, still alot of work to do, the stern boxes when these pictures were taken was just being framed and fitted.. No glass on the decks etc etc. Again its very hard to judge what your seeing thru the pictures. I can only say that everytime I go up and look at the work thats being done, and run my hands on her, I am happy and satisfied with the craftsmanship and work being done. She will not be perfect, but I do not expect her to be. If that was the case I would of purchased a new boat, and that wouldnt be perfect either, just cost more. I will post some more pics on here a little later down the road, for those that are intrested. Have a good day.
Wasn't trying to get you down on your rebuild, keep posting as you go. There are lots of different ways to build things, cost is a major consideration in any build. Your rebuild is typical of an old school workboat, they are using inexpensive materials, and faster build methods. Doesn't mean there is something wrong with the way they are building, just means it should be priced according to the build. You haven't posted anything about the cost of your build and frankly its none of anyones business unless you offer to share. I think some of the posters forget that.
I'm sure the boat will be really solid when complete, wood stringer/deck boats ride really well because of the characteristics of wood and the extra weight compared to composites. Down side to the wood, is extra weight, and potential for rot.
Your biggest area of concern should be in the rigging stage. With a boat with as much wood as you have, rot is a big concern. Every single hole or penetration in the glass laminate is a potential for rot. With this in mind, you will want to make sure every screw, bolt, chase tube, etc. That goes through your glass and into wood is sealed correctly with marine adhesive. As you use the boat, cracks, chips, etc. will need to be resealed and repaired before water intrusion occurs. A wood boat is more maintenance, you just need to be aware of these things as it is used.
Good luck with the rebuild.
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I wasnt tryng to get down on the builders or the boat owner... I was just looking at it from my perspective on the pictures availible... what you're paying is none of our business or concern... I think the cause of our concern or questioning of your build is because of what we are used to seeing on this site. For the majority of rebuilds on here- there is a pretty set formula everyone seems to follow, or atleast practices and methods everyone would like to follow- and with that- methods and practices people avoid.
I have been reading about rebuilding this style of boats for several years now (while shopping for a boat and now that I own one and have started my own repairs and modifications) so my basis for how to rebuild a boat is from seeing people who have built great looking boats and also reading about what they are removing/replacing.
My questioning of the materials and transom layering comes from seeing first hand how the deck on my boat has become softer and softer (through delamination) and seeing how my first aquasport's deck was built after I cut out the sole. I also have a construction background and while i know houses and boats have nothing to do with them- good support and solid foundations are the key to any good finished product (i.e.- your stringers and transom= if they aren't solid, anything you do after that could be compromised). And there is no bigger PITA than going back to fix someone's work, knowing it could have been done correctly the 1st time.
When it comes down to it- it's your boat, money, and piece of mind... if you're happy with the work that's being done, thats all that matters.
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Steve, Charlie asked for totally honest opinions, and that is what he received. And would have to say that regardless of the comments, they were all made in good faith, trying to help Charlie get a good job.
And although Charlie found some of them tough to read, he was/is a gentleman, and expressed his gratitude.
Steve, your boat turned out great. If you don't mind, how were your decks laid up/finished out, and what did you do in terms of tower leg support beneath the deck in that area. Thanks.
gran,
My fore deck is all hand built out of 5/8 marine grade ply. The rear section of decking is all 3/4 marine grade ply.
everything had 3/4 matt laid up on the underside of the decking.
Where the deck is seemed together I put ledgers in at every seem for strength to keep the seems from cracking and splitting.
The deck was bonded to the stringers and bulk heads with Arjay bonding putty.
The top of the deck was glassed in at all the edges with 1808, two layers over lapping. The top side seems were layered with 3/4 matt and then full runs of 3/4 were laid over the deck and run up the sides.
It was finished off with some fairing putty made from gel and cabosil then completely gelled and non skidded.
My deck is solid although I will admit I could of done a better job on the gel and non skid. Hey it was my first attempt. :D
My stringers run where my tower legs would sit if I ever installed one. That wont ever happen as long as I own the boat so support for one is not an issue. Maybe a T top someday when I am really old and want some shade. :mrgreen:
BTW If I would of went with 3/4 ply for the fore deck I think the boat would ride even better than it does.Just a little extra weight would of helped.
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I also didn't mean to get you down just stating what I see. Liquid nail the sole to the stringers ......... no glass or resin on the underside of the sole ........... Not holding the shape of hull together with a jig after everyting was removed (Huge mistake I think but could be wrong) etc ........ don't take our comments personally, this forum is to help you and to help peeps not get ripped off! We have seen plenty of that.
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Certainly not trying to stir the pot, and I'm certainly not criticizing anyone on a budget...as someone who just bought an older boat without significant means to dump into it, I can certainly understand this mindset. However, as someone who's also got some question marks on my transom (it's as solid as a rock, but with a few random bolts and some stray glass floating around in a couple of areas), I would like to ask a question of the more experienced members on the board, using hopefishing's current project as an example...
I think it's been briefly addressed, but how can that transom possibly be structurally sound enough to hold a 400lb engine and take waves? I realize that the boxes will help add a certain amount of support, and when everything is fully glassed that will help as well, but that center piece doesn't look to be tied into the port and starboard portions of the transom by more than 3/4 of an inch or so. Is this commonly done, and can it be expected to hold up to wear and tear of any kind? Perhaps it's just not in a finished stage and looks odd as it sits, but I guess I can't visualize how it would come together (though I'm by all admissions a novice when it comes to boat building/repair/restoration). Also, if there is an issue, I also don't see how this could be due to cost...
Again, I ask this not because I am trying to stoke any flames, but because I am genuinely curious about this for future projects. Also, if there appears to be an issue, is it not in the best interest of the owner to tackle them now, while the boat is still in construction stages?
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Man I hope the OP keeps posting on this board...ive been a lurker for a long time, and I know these guys mean well...anyways, keep us updated please
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Any Updates?? Dont be scared off. People here are usually just concerned and constructive.
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*Rick- hope you dont mind using some of your pics!
No, please use it as much as you like. Sorry guys, I've had my head up my a$$, or well, in a helmet all winter. I've managed to fill winter with two wheel action and summer with boating / fishing.
I do agree with a few points being made here, my biggest concern is the two piece transom. Time will tell how this turns out.
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lol, I don't scare to easy. I had a guy from another forum who lived in the area and had a boat in the same shop so he was taking pictures and getting them to me. His boat got completed so no new pics lately. Heres a few of where we were at that he sent a little bit ago.
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Here lately I have been slammed with trips and gotta take it whiles its available so I have not made a trip up.. As for the rebuild she is basically built on the deck side and splattered. Currently rolled over and getting sanded down before the new gelcoat goes on. The tower I got has been taken off the console to have 4 spots welded that were cracked, and new canvas on the t-top, new cushions put on at the same time. The console is getting all the old holes filled in, some support added in a few places and then fitted for all the electronics. I ordered the new powerpole blade 10' for her about 2 weeks ago, should have that in soon. I will be up there on the 15th for a week vacation at Cedar Key, so I will be under his feet all week. I am still hopeful and expecting to have this boat complete by the middle of May. I actually have allready booked charters for it in June, and plan on making a trip to the panhandle to catch some ARS in late June so delays will be an issue.
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Got some pictures of my girl today. Shes fixing to be rolled back over and then starting on the rigging. Alot of work on the outside to get all that old bottom paint off and a new gel coat.
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I will be up weekly going forward to see her finished out. I am still expecting a mid may to end of may completion. She actually is booked on charters in June so, no pressure right.
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Well,
That looks rather shiny :thumleft:
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Those look like some serious hard chines on that! Hopefully that translates into solid corner/turn tracking and a dry ride! (Gause did something similar this year on thier "re-design").
From your original pictures I could not tell, but after seeing the recent exterior pictures- it looks like there could be a little more to the thickness of the transom that what we originally thought. Might be a good idea to request extra layers of glass to tie the transom into the cap to help prevent flexing.
Exciting to see it coming together! Are you sticking with the all white theme throughout (topsides, non-skid, bottom)?
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The color theme I am going with is, on the exterior white hull with black lettering for my FL#, my charter info will be black, and Coarsey Custom Fiberglass will be black. On the interior I opted for a splatter to help hide blood, dirt, etc etc. So it will be a grey, white, throughout. My website will be black on the front deck where when I put my gopro camera on the tower, that will show in the videos, on the back of the livewell will be a large set of black airborne wings and an explosive ordnance disposal crab (life before boats) , Hatch covers will be white, white console, and livewell/leaning post. Top cap is white/non slip. Black powerpole, black suzuki
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Looking good Charlie! She is going to be a solid working boat!
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Do you really think she'll be ready to go in basically what is 2 weeks?
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Thanks Capt, I am ready to fish her. The vision in my mind is a well thought out comfortable boat for my guest, not a show winner. This I know you understand. One thing that I admire in your boat btw is you did it yourself. That is very impressive to me, and I hope that one day I can do the same.
Also yesterday one of the boats that the Coarsey brothers built was in for to have a few dings fixed up and some motor work done. I thought I would get a few pictures of her. I think they make a beautiful boat. This is their own line and was modeled after the pro line flatbacks.
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They also do alot of repair work on all other boat types and makes. Anyone needs their info please let me know. They are craftsman and proud of what they do.
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Hey Boomer that is going to be one hell of a nice ride!!!!!
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Went by today and dropped off my powerpole. Wanted to take a look and see what she was looking like now that she is rolled back over. Heres what we got.
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It starting to look like a boat. I don't think they are going to make this Fridays 60 day deadline, but such is life. The console is being sprayed today and the tower is ready to go back in. He still has to make the leaning post/livewell and all the fabrication is complete. I will post pictures again later this week or next week.
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Do you really think she'll be ready to go in basically what is 2 weeks?
Sorry, just saw this question. Nah I never thought they would make the schedule to be honest. But they gave me the date so I am expecting the work to continue at a "brisk" pace. I have a bit of time before its to go to work, as again I expected a delay. I allowed about two extra weeks also for me to run the boat and get used to the way she handles. I am ready to get her wet, but also want to ensure everything is done the way it should be.
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Ran up today to see what was new with my boat. Been a little while since I posted so thought I would show where she's at as of now. Pretty much everything is done with the hull itself now, all the hardware is in place, scuppers cut out, hatches installed. Anchor locker installed. They are working on the console now, got it all patched up, and sprayed. This was a used console and tower that came off a 26 Andros, so due to some cracking around the helm, and exsisting holes in the face where the electronics came from I decided to have it all filled, then just start over. Heres a few pics of today.
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They also build coolers inhouse, 2 of the guys were working on these today.
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I will have to get some pictures of finished coolers next time I am up. They are high quality though and built to last. I am actually ordering 2 myself as we finish the boat up. I think in the next few trips up we should see some real and fast changes. The boat has to be finished by the 10th of June for a special non fishing charter that I have to run, so the race will soon be on. As I was leaving I snapped a few pictures of the next one that was in line to be redone. Not sure how far they are going on this boat, but she is a peice of history and I can see a beauty in her as well.
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She's coming along well HF. :salut:
You handled early concerns with the construction and continued to post pics of the rebuild and for that we thank you.
Don't stop now and good luck. :thumleft:
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WOW, she is looking sweeet. June 10th huh? Thats right around the corner. :cheers:
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Thanks gents, yep the 10th is coming fast. They are seeing ALOT of me in their shop now.
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I hope I am not overposting the pictures on this. I am just a kid on the night before christmas in my excitement and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Was up today to take a peek. I have a charter with this boat on the 13th of June for a dear friend who lost her husband a year ago that day to an accident on a local Ocala lake a year ago that day. I am taking the family out to lay flowers on the water and remeber and honor him so this has been a bit of a stressor I am sure for Coarsey Fiberglass as well as for myself. I talked with Mr Robert today, and it may end up leaving the shop to go to that lake on the same day, but we are going to make it. So the race is on. They got the boat on the rack now, and the rubrail on. They livewell leaning post was molded today and I have a few pics of it as well. Its a little under 40 gallons and should work well for my needs. He also builds and sales the livewells for other projects for you to put on yourself. They are well built and sharp looking. Of course this is the bottom side,
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My dusty neglected motor will soon have life.
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Lastly I took a few finished pics of the coolers they also make and sale. Great, heavy duty coolers.
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You may be guilty of many things in your life but over posting pics on this Forum ain't one. :thumleft:
You will however be banned for life if you don't finish posting right to completion and beyond. :mrgreen:
Good luck.
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They sent me some pictures of the progress over the weekend. Going to get up there towards the end of the week to drop off a few parts and see what shes looking like.
Console going on. Now one thing to remember is this is a used console. They have sprayed it and actually matched it very well in my opnion. But it is used.
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Pick up the trailer on Thursday from Owens and Sons
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WHAT is that guy doing in your console :scratch: :roll: :wink:
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What is that sticking out of the side of the bench?
Looking great though.
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WHAT is that guy doing in your console :scratch: :roll: :wink:
It comes with a hook baiter. You have to pay extra for that :thumright: , and the thing on the side of the bench is a knife, plier, etc etc holder. It was my request to have them on either side, as I always seem to loose them.
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Getting close and looking good
Capt Matt
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Getting close and looking good Capt Matt
who are you kidding, its looking GREAT! I know your stoked! Looks like you'll have tons of room for clients, girls, gear, girls, fish, girls, etc.
A little off subject, but just now notice your in Pine Island. Would you happen to know Capt. Jeff Malone, (aka TarponTime)? He use to run charters out of P.I. for awhile, then moved back down to the keys.
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Everyone, I'll say this.
This is just another great rebuild, even with HF's idea of "used" aside :roll:
So do yourself a favor, take just a few minutes of your time and reread this thread from the beginning.
Like every rebuild, it has highs and lows mixed with drama and doubt and at the end of the day, yet another really great classic is made.
And for that we thank you. :salut:
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Charlie she is really coming along nicely. Its going to be a great fishing platform.
You can never have to many places to store pliers,scissors ect. I am still trying to figure out places and ways to mount accessories on my ride. :scratch:
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I noticed that you used splatter paint on the inside, can you give us more info about? How is it applied, where do you get it?
Thanks,
Bert
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Best way to do it is spray it. Basically just add a thing called "webbing solution" to the gel til you get the look and consistency you want. Any fiberglass place oughta have it.
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I noticed that you used splatter paint on the inside, can you give us more info about? How is it applied, where do you get it?
Thanks,
Bert
I opted for the splatter mostly for the ease of cleaning, and not showing carnage at the close of a day, when i have little time to prep for the following day. As far as how its applied and where to get it, I am not much help. Coarsey Fiberglass did all that work for me.
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Went up today to drop some parts off, and got some more pictures. They are working HARD on my boat. I was actually feeling a bit bad for minute knowing the late nights they are pulling. Today they were working on pulling all the rigging thru the tower legs. Most guys would opt for a rigging tube and be done with it. They were insisting on running everything thru the legs to maintain a clean look. I am sure I have been getting cussed ALOT over the past couple of days because of this. I left when they thought they were done, and I reminded them about the stereo controller that still needed to go up there, and also the GPS antenna. Oh, boy were they happy with me.lol, no atually these guys have the patience of an oyster with taking care of all my silly little needs. Good people, who are customer oriented. Heres a few pics
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Also picked up my trailer from Owens and Sons today. Again I am very impressed with the work and the build. This is an airboat trailer, that has been set up for the pro line, this got me low and wide.
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Excellent! :thumleft:
June 10th is just around the corner.
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hydro steering and shift cables thru the tower legs too?
Capt Matt
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Those Owen and Sons trailers are "in my opinion" the best in the business. :thumright:
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Looks awesome!!! You are going to be very pleased when your in a short chop and you point that nose into it and hammer down. I have the exact same hull and it will be the last of I ever own. I was heading back from Boca Grande pass last weekend and the harbor had short steep chop....I aimed her into it and you could have put a glass of tea on the console.....Im very impressed
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hydro steering and shift cables thru the tower legs too?
Capt Matt
Yeah Matt, they ran both thru the legs as well. I think that one side has most of the electoronics and other cables. The other leg has the steering and shift cables
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Went by today to see whats going on and if we are going to make next weeks deadline. Robert and Ricky are knocking my boat out. Robert is hopeful that I may be able to pick her up on Friday.
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Some the led spreader lights
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Also got the blue courtsey lights that are under the gunnels. They are bright as heck and I am sure are going to be a big help when out snook fishing at night, and also look great.
Picture of my dash with my electronics placement
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The portabracket very neat. The range of lift and drop is amazing. I know its going to take me a while to dial it in, but thats a problem I am glad to have.
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this is my starboard transom rigging box with my pumps and other componets
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Almost there. Nice layout on the console :thumleft:
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so close, should not be long now
Capt Matt
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You are going to be so happy with that 24. You will be asking your self why you didn't do it sooner.
I really like the console. You could not of made a better choice on trailer. My Owens and Sons is a 1996. Just had it changed over from leaf springs to torsion axle. Well worth it. There trailers do not wear out. They either get stolen or wrecked.
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Good luck with your re-build. Thats something i always wanted to do. Maybe someday when I retire. God willing. Those pics are very impressive. Silly question but where does one start to learn how to re-firbish boats?
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Silly question but where does one start to learn how to re-firbish boats?
If you want to do it professionally, then you need to go to work for a boat builder but for the DIY type, the Internet offers almost an endless supply of information. This sub forum has over 1400 different subjects.
The Internet can't teach you how to cut, shape splice, rig or in general work with your hands but it can give you directions.
The quality of the work comes with time, practice and a large supply of patience.
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Well I am heading up tomorrow to get her out of the shop. I was up today and got a few pictures of the little items that were being finished up. They are going to clean and detail her tomorrow and then I will head home with her. Be a few days though before she is on the water. Still got to get my decals made, get the survey completed and get some insurance on her before I get to brave. Anyway hers what she looked like tonite.
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I am going to be like a little boy on Christmas Eve tonite.
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Warm milk and cookies :thumright:
Congratulations Captain :salut:
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The view from the aft quarter really shows off the flare of the bow... Very NICE!!
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I can feel the excitement in your post!
Please keep us informed of how she holds up after the build ect. It would be nice to have a reputable shop to be able to recommend with confidence.
Looks like these guys put a plan together for you and then got it done in a timely manner.
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Boat looks great! Good luck picking it up! Cant wait to see it on the water.
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I can feel the excitement in your post!
Please keep us informed of how she holds up after the build ect. It would be nice to have a reputable shop to be able to recommend with confidence.
Looks like these guys put a plan together for you and then got it done in a timely manner.
Thank you Steve. I will let you know how the boat holds up, and problems, joys and other day to day things that pop up in the future.
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Well I went yesterday and picked her up. I must say that I had no idea when this build started that the finished boat was going to turn out this nice. I am stunned and very proud. I can't wait to get her to work, but its going to be a little bit before that happens. I am taking her Monday to get decals measured and made for her. Tuesday she is getting an insurance survey completed. Wednesday, I have a special charter to take a very close friend to remember her husband who passed a year ago at the spot where he was taken on a local lake. Then back to have the decals put on, by then the insurance should be good and away we go. I will finish this thread out completly into a few fishing trips with pictures for those that want to see.
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This is all the craftsman that made this happen. (brothers Robert on the far left, and Ricky on the far right)
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Looks good :salut:
Looks like two of the guys in the middle could be twins too.
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Absolutely gorgeous! I love your boat! Are you adding trim tabs? I dont hava a flatback, but ive heard tabs make a world of difference on these boats
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Absolutely gorgeous! I love your boat! Are you adding trim tabs? I dont hava a flatback, but ive heard tabs make a world of difference on these boats
Thanks Gonzo, appreciated. Yes I am sure that in the near future I will be adding tabs. I have so much stuff to learn, that I wanted to fish the boat just a little bit and then take her back in. Mine is not a true flatback in that it has about 3 degrees deadrise so it should handle a little better then the older ones, but tabs can only help.
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Got a few interior pictures yesterday.
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My wife who is an accountant by trade, and I must say has been very helpful and actually very proud herself of this project has forbid me to move it until its properly insured later this week. So, I just sit in the tower in my driveway making motor noises, running the portabracket up and down, and turning the steering wheel back and forth.
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Boomer glad you listened to the Big Boss..As luck would have it you'd be pulling away from the first stop sign after waiting 5 minutes to make SURE no one was coming and out of nowhere a 16 year old spoiled brat doing 60 in 25, that was texting while change songs on their iPod would would blow the stop sign and glom Laura-Ann only to find out their Momma didn't pay the insurance..
That would be a tragedy that sea4 (Feds always watching) could fix..
Laura-Ann is a piece of Fine Art... You have both done well! :thumright: :thumleft: :salut: :salut:
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Sweet looking.
I just noticed that the top on the tower will take some figuring out - surely need it to get out of the sun but can't see what your charters are doing as they are fishing, from up top. Any ideas?
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What a beautiful boat, that is something to be proud of my friend.
I love the hatches, are they custom built? If not who is the supplier?
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Wow! What a great looking boat! I can't wait to hear how she handles with that Zuke 175. I'm using the same motor on my 22-2. Where did you find that upper station steering wheel? Edson?
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Sweet looking.
I just noticed that the top on the tower will take some figuring out - surely need it to get out of the sun but can't see what your charters are doing as they are fishing, from up top. Any ideas?
Your exactly right, I can't see much behind me when I am up top. I will have to just see how it plays out for a bit. My biggest concern is a kid grabbing the throttle or shifter. That I should be able to see and halt, but sorting it out is part of the adventure.
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What a beautiful boat, that is something to be proud of my friend.
I love the hatches, are they custom built? If not who is the supplier?
Thank you sir. I am very proud of her. The hatches are made by Coarsey Fiberglass (my builder) they are very nice and very sturdy. This is one of the many items they also sale to do it yourselfers.
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Wow! What a great looking boat! I can't wait to hear how she handles with that Zuke 175. I'm using the same motor on my 22-2. Where did you find that upper station steering wheel? Edson?
The Suzuki is also something I cant wait to run. I have only had yamahas on my boats in the past, and if all the rumors are true, I think I will be very pleased with the Suzuki. On the steering wheel, my builder installed it. I will ask him the next time I talk with him.
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I thought about motors a lot. Yam's are definitely more numerous in my area, but the big bore, four cylinder inline Zuke really got my attention. It's just about 200 cc's smaller than the Yam v6, so I thought it might be torquier and more fuel efficient. Cannot wait to try it out.
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Well the past two days have been a mad rush trying to make tomorrows deadline. It does not look promising though that I will be able to use the new boat for tomorrows charter. Due to a few motor issues, looks more like Thursday before she is ready. But it is most certainly not for a lack of trying by anyone who has been involved with this entire project. Today she is having the outboard complelety serviced, new water pump installed. She got surveyed, and also got her decals installed. I got a few pictures of the decals for yall to see.
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Looks great Charlie! :thumleft: :thumright: I hope your motor issues are only minor. Cant imagine to much being wrong with those low hours.
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Well I finally got her in the water this weekend and put her thru some paces. I must say, I am allready in love. She is responsive, and rides very soft. I ran her about 40 miles today and its what I dreamed about. It will take me a bit to figure out the sweet spot for the portabracket, but I love that allready. lol, I am going to owens and sons on Tues or Weds to have a boarding ladder put on, Climbing up and down is not gonna work for me. i have been spoiled all these years with the other boat I see. Overall, I love the boat, she is well built and a pleasure to run. I am going to head out and fish her alot over the next week, so I will get more pics and thoughts on here as I am on the hill.
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Well I finally got her in the water this weekend and put her thru some paces. I must say, I am allready in love. She is responsive, and rides very soft. I ran her about 40 miles today and its what I dreamed about. It will take me a bit to figure out the sweet spot for the portabracket, but I love that allready. lol, I am going to owens and sons on Tues or Weds to have a boarding ladder put on, Climbing up and down is not gonna work for me. i have been spoiled all these years with the other boat I see. Overall, I love the boat, she is well built and a pleasure to run. I am going to head out and fish her alot over the next week, so I will get more pics and thoughts on here as I am on the hill.
if youll be around on tues or weds, let me know, i'd love to take a look at here
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The boat looks great.That Airborne tab looks good. Now all you need to put on is a Ranger tab as well. :thumleft:
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Ranger school was one that eluded me during my time in. I was a leg EOD for a while then got assigned to operations at Bragg so got Jump and air assualt school. But your right, a ranger tab would of looked good on that tank. I debated on putting the jump wings and my EOD badge on there, but ended up with the tab and guy fawkes instead. Liked the look.
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I break out my wings and tabs along with a arrow head patch with a sword and three lighting bolts. Only once a year. Memorial day to honor those that didn’t come back. I guess I still have mixed feels from my years of service. (1965 to 1971) The detachment I served in (1966 to 1969) was disbanded in 1975. They said we served no more useful purpose. As far as we were concerned. Our jobs were not over, as long as their were still MIA’s. So I guess I still have a bad taste in my mouth. But I digress. The boat is something to be proud of . It looks great. :salut:
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I served a little later in time than yourself -95-2001. Worked with your fellow snake eaters ALOT though. Those guys were the true "silent proffesionals". I thank you for your sacrifices. And also thank you for the boat compliments on the boat. I take alot of veterans and will now try to get involved with the wounded warriors. My hope is the tab will be a source of instant brotherhood for some of the people who come aboard. I may meet my customers for the first time on the day of a charter, but certain folks are going to know we share a common thread and history. And if thats what happens then it is sure worth it. I
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Well I finally got her in the water this weekend and put her thru some paces. I must say, I am allready in love. She is responsive, and rides very soft. I ran her about 40 miles today and its what I dreamed about. It will take me a bit to figure out the sweet spot for the portabracket, but I love that allready. lol, I am going to owens and sons on Tues or Weds to have a boarding ladder put on, Climbing up and down is not gonna work for me. i have been spoiled all these years with the other boat I see. Overall, I love the boat, she is well built and a pleasure to run. I am going to head out and fish her alot over the next week, so I will get more pics and thoughts on here as I am on the hill.
if youll be around on tues or weds, let me know, i'd love to take a look at here
I am going to be at Owens and Sons on Wednesday morning first thing. Going to be there around 0830 if you wanted to check out the boat.
Capt Charlie
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Boat looks awesome! Congrats! :salut:
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Charlie
A few tips on the porta lift
when on plane keep the motor trimmed just about level and lift up the bracket until the spray stops coming off the lower unit. play with the trim till the wheel is easy to steer. You will find the sweet spot.
I keep coming up on the bracket till the motor blows out then drop it enough that the prop fully bites.
Once you find the sweet spot on the trim and bracketyou may have to drop the motor on the bracket a little when coming up on plane so it does not blow out. In rough conditions you will need to drop the bracket a little more to keep your props bite.
Lennco tabs will really help your ride too, the sides of these boats are so high they are really effected in a cross wind and when running into the waves
Enjoy your ride, its just a learning curve
she looks sweet
Capt Matt
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Charlie,
She is beautiful in the water. Congratulations, and tight lines :salut:
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Thanks for the compliments. And also thanks Matt for the portabracket advice. What you said is basically what I have been doing. Its taking me a bit to remember that I have more movement now. I think I am going to love it once I get used to it. At first I was thinking how stupid I was to add all this stuff that I didnt know how to use. I love the range of motion the portabrackt offers. I must also say this Suzuki is impressing me. The low end torque is very very impressive. And at an idle this is a quietier motor than my yamaha. So a little more time on that will tell if that continues. Last week on the way to a charter my other boat got slammed by a yahoo that failed to stop for a traffic signal. So I have been dealing with all the associated crap that comes with that. Trailer totaled, boat came off the trailer and slid for about 100'. A real travesty, so I have not been on the new boat as much as I had hoped, but changing that soon.
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Sorry to hear about your other boat - that sucks. Glad it wasn't the new one :!:
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Well finally am getting some time on the Proline. And I am loving her. She is roomy, comfortable and easy to fish. I have really been running it more than fishing it, and just getting used to the way it handles, and rides. I am really getting into the portabracket as well. Its not that hard to figure out after another Capt told me the secret (thanks Matt). And I love the range. I use that to get the motor in the sweet spot, and then trim the motor to get the ride how I want. The Suzuki is also impressing me. It will push that old boat no problem whatsoever. Today I ran about 65 miles and burned about 22 gallons of gas. Cruise at about 24 mph at 4000 rpm. Its a nice comforable ride. WOT is 6000 rpm and about 41 mph. . Heading out tomorrow with the wife, to see if we can find a gag. Hopefully I will get a few pictures of fish on the deck. Been waiting till I wasnt by myself. Been running her by myself mostly and working the boat more than fishing here lately, but that comes to a change as of this week.
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Sweet...beautiful lines.
Congrats, know you're pleased...go get some fish, you have the ride :thumright:
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Those pics show why we love Aquaports :cheers:
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Those pics show why we love Aquaports :cheers:
OK :?:
It definitely is a beautiful craft though Hope. :thumright:
Use her in good health.
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Regardless of the original badge...Proline....Aquasport....You have a beautiful ride. You and your clients will be pleased :thumright:
Looking further...love the prow on the ol' girl. Also like the head-on shot...looks like a Carolina ride, which warms the heart.
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Aquasport, Proline, same difference back then :wink: either way it's a beautiful boat and i know you will be more then pleased with her, great job :thumright:
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Those pics show why we love Aquaports :cheers:
OK :?:
It definitely is a beautiful craft though Hope. :thumright:
Use her in good health.
I wasn't confused (I don't think so anyway), the crafts looked very similar back in the day and it's the lines of the boat that most of us fell in love with.
Like this
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Those pics show why we love Aquaports :cheers:
I knew what you meant. You just couldnt bring yourself to say proline. It understandable, some of you aquasport guys are just a lil uppity....lol :lol:
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It understandable, some of you aquasport guys are just a lil uppity....lol :lol:
So true so true :salut:
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Hey Rick, first time I got a good look at your windshield frame...looks like an old Mako frame...
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Yeah, someone at a gas station said the same thing. Great to hide behind though. The little stock plastic ones don't give much protection.
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Well I have been running the boat and getting to know her over the last month and I am in love. She handles, runs and operates better than I could of thought. I had the chance this weekend to have a group of 3 guys on her all day both Sat and Sunday and really got to see how the boat performed with a bigger group in condtions ranging from permit fishing offshore to redfish in the flats. Its the perfect boat for my business. Also I will never again own a boat without a tower. Its a HUGE difference. I can handle the boat so much better being up top and the view is great. I am sad to say though that tonite I dropped her back off at Coarsey Fiberglass to have a dive ladder put on, I also decided that I wanted electronics up top, and after a little research found I could put my 998 Humminbird up there. By tapping into power, and running one cable from this machine to my other humminbird below I am going to be able to use the same gps antenna and transducer. This is the unit off my other boat, and will be used on both so for $59.00 it was hard to beat. And lastly they have to repair the first of the gel coat damage that she has sustained. She lost a piece of gelcoat off the forward bow this weekend, (glad I got that out of the way). They laughed and said no problem. I cried all night saturday. Got some good pictures I will get up soon.
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Still amazes me they quit building these flatback boats, I have operated lots of boats in my life and am yet to find a more versatile boat and one thats a better tool for my job.
Congrats Charley, give it a few months and those little scratches and chips don't hurt so bad its all just part of the business
Capt Matt
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Still amazes me they quit building these flatback boats, I have operated lots of boats in my life and am yet to find a more versatile boat and one thats a better tool for my job.
Congrats Charley, give it a few months and those little scratches and chips don't hurt so bad its all just part of the business
Capt Matt
Your are right in that its the most versatile boat I have also ever run. I will also say, that you sir were very correct in telling me to go with the tower. I will never again have a boat without one. The view, and also the control I have up there is great. lol and the scratches are going to make me cringe for the first year. but thats the game we play.
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Been fishing the boat ALOT here lately and thought I would share some pictures. I am loving the boat. Its very very versitile, and functional. The room is the best part.
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This past weekend I was open with no trips booked so after looking at the weather decided to make my first ever trip to the east side. Took off out of Homestead in Biscayne bay for some offshore action. A great trip. First fish on the boat of the day, a Wahoo.
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Then settled into yellowtailing and bottom fishing. Put some triggers, grunts, snappers and porgies in the box to keep the wahoo company.
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A great trip that with this new boat was comfortable, fun and safe. I ran the boat around 50miles or so and at the end of the day filled back up with 18 gallons. I have been very very happy with this boat so far. As I get better at handlind her, and learning her personality I hope to get even more efficient. She's not fast, but I am fine with that when its time for fuel. 8)
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My old stompin' grounds. :thumleft:
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Been fishing the boat now for a few months, getting used to her, and learning the ins and outs. I must say that I am very happy with the boat and my builder. There have been ALOT of fish brought over the rail of this boat allready. I am still able to fish skinny with the boat. But one of the first boats to be able to run out when I have a window. I love the handling of the boat, the lines and most of all the room. I am able to have 4 folks onboard plus myself and be comfortable. Also I will never again own a boat that is not self bailing. Its a great thing. The build that Coarsey Fiberglass did was outstanding. The old girl is a tank. The Suzuki has also been a big suprise. I knew that the motors came with a great reputation, but had no idea how much I would be impressed. The hole shot to get me up on running is very impressive. But best of all is the fuel economy. I am cruising around 28-30mph at 4100rpms. And on an average trip getting 4mpg. It really is great to go to the pump after a trip and put 15 gallons back in the boat after hauling 3-5 people. Gear, ice, bait and drinks around all day. Its of course not perfect. She can be wet if I am not paying attention, it will bow steer and requires a FIRM hand on the helm by the capt when conditions warrant. I would not say this is a great hull for a novice boater, but for a seasoned hand its not a real issue. The beam is narrow so she will roll if everyone tries to stand on one side, but its a safe sound hull that I can overlook all these things for all the other stuff I have gained. I have really had no issues with the boat yet. Took a bit to get the trailer set up to load and its again not for a novice but not a big deal. Overall I am happy with my investment and look forward to running her for a long time to come.
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Thanks for the great report :thumright:
Glad to have you back!
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Thanks for the great report :thumright:
Glad to have you back!
Thanks. I have been fishing ALOT lately and not on the computer much other than fishing reports. I was up your way for Thanksgiving. Spent a long weekend in Oak Island with my folks. Didn't get up there with the boat this year, got busy with trips. But when I do I will be in touch.
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ScarabChris's spreader looks good up top!
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those spreader lights are great. That picture is all spreaders. There are no external lights right there. They are BRIGHT. And the courtsey lights are actually quite useful. I love them for folks to move about the boat and still have some light to see whats where. And they look good to.
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How much power do those lights draw each?
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Gary, we're putting the same ones on mine. I BELIEVE they draw .5 amps each (half an amp each).
Bob will know exactly, he is the distributor.
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Thanks gran, I'm thinking of changing mine out to leds or better... :)
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Just spent the better part of 2 hrs reading this thread (I'm a slow reader) and although I was sad that I missed out on some of the pictures that "could not be found" it was a very good read, great thread! I'm anxious to get my own 24' proline rebuild underway one of these days. I Would love to know how the boat is holding up these days.