Classic AquaSport
Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Osprey Style Hull Rebuilds => 196 Rebuilds => Topic started by: imonna 19 6 on July 18, 2011, 11:02:05 PM
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Hello all,
So I love my 79 19-6 and during the first year i trailer'd and never really noticed that the scuppers were low in the water, but looking at pictures from last year they were about an inch under (standard ball scuppers.)
This year I replaced a topside 19 gallon fuel with a 44 gallon coffin tank. Now that i keep it the water overnight occasionally I can look at it from land and low and behold when at rest my scuppers are a good couple inches underwater, which means that they cant do a thing unless the boat is on plane or in waves.
With the low transom, this means i get a few waves over the top and the water sits there and I can either open the bilge and let the pump do its thing, wait till the boat rocks enough to drain or get on plane.
So my question is why?
Since the original had a 50 gallon tank, i assume the 44 gallon one i have in it now isnt the direct cause and it did it last year anyway).
When i bought it, the previous owner said he had the transom rebuilt around 2006 and he always trailered it. is it possible he installed them to low? I'll include the few pics i have.
I dont have any shots of the inside, so for reference the scupper is right at the bottom of the drain "gutter"
The last and most worrisome possibility i have thought of is wet foam leading to a lot of extra weight.
So anyone with some direct experience or educated guesses is welcome to chime in. i'll include some pictures for reference and some of the most recent fish I pulled in for fun.
not much you can see, but the scupper is just below the water line
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/4cf89e2e.jpg)
Look closely and you can see the waterstain line from sitting in the water at the marina in the above picture for a few days getting serviced. It shows where the boat sits at rest (just in line with the S.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/bad39dac.jpg)
A nice striper I pulled in early in the year.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/e9410e9a.jpg)
Thanks in advance and really hoping its not the foam scenario.
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Bill,
I am sorry that I can't tell you anything about the scupper issue, but I CAN tell you that I like your striper and am glad you posted this picture :salut:
Best wishes, and hoping that you don't have a wet foam problem, T
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Bill,
Nice striper! nice work!
There certainly is a difference between the old bottom paint and the new waterline. A right big difference, looks to be around six inches or so.
The new tank, as its now in the deck and well forward as it should be...shouldn't make this much of a change. Maybe an inch or so, if that, max.
How is the bilge? Is it shipping water through rain? This sounds weird...but have done it many a time...TASTE the water in the bilge...is it fresh or salty...or in between?
Even saturated stringers shouldn't throw a six inch drop....something else is going on. How often do the pumps cycle? How much water is in the bilge? More than 1/4 inch is unacceptable.
No worries. We'll find it.
Know you don't want to pull her in the summertime...but not a bad idea in the short-term here, especially since you've mentioned that aft wash-over could be an issue. Just thinking it through. We sure don't want to put constant underwater pressure on those ball scuppers.
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After reviewing the bottom paint pics again...the bottom paint is low with regard to the outboard. The bottom paint should be a bit above where the PO placed it.
Let us know. Bottom line...how is the freeboard at the stern now...is she quite lower, that is, are you concerned with her washing over?
If so...pull it...A boat will never sink sitting on the trailer.
Our boats in general...they self-bail...sorta.
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...A boat will never sink sitting on the trailer.
(http://www.socalsail.com/wp/wp-content/sinkhole.jpg)
:roll: :lol:
Like Gran said, your boat should be floating a little higher than where your waterline is; you don't have an overweight engine (like me). Again, like Gran said, check your bilge.
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I'd say your bottom paint should be right at the bottom of your scuppers. Om the inside of the transom the bottom of the scuppers should be about a 1/4" or so above the deck. Did the PO drill the new drain holes on a downward angle? or are they straight? As already mentioned you don't have a overweight motor so thats not the problem.
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I dont have any shots of the inside, so for reference the scupper is right at the bottom of the drain "gutter"
That's where my scuppers are, below the floor and in the gutter. Unless Aquasport changed the floor layout from my year to yours, your scuppers likely have not been moved.
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I dont have any shots of the inside, so for reference the scupper is right at the bottom of the drain "gutter"
That's where my scuppers are, below the floor and in the gutter. Unless Aquasport changed the floor layout from my year to yours, your scuppers likely have not been moved.
Since the scuppers are in original position..somethings going on IMHO.
I'd put it on the trailer ASAP, tilt the bow up...and pull the plug. Let us know, tx.
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All of our scuppers are too low; although yours seem a bit low for a single engine and moderate horsepower. On my old 22-2 they are below the floor height in the small splash recess. Mine are under water a good three inches, so the ball scupper is the only course of action. Now I do have 700# of 115's on there. But even when she had the original twin 70's if you stood in the stern area you got wet feet. So pull it, make sure it isn't full of water and that will be that.
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Ok. here are some answers.
good news is the boat lives on a trailer and is currently sitting on it at the marina. I have a nice arrangement. My boat lives on my trailer as if it were rack storage. When i want the boat, they crane it into the water. When I am done, they crane it out.
Typically they crane it out within 24 hours.
Next, the bilge is always super dry. I have had 2 inches of water at the stern when a wave comes over and if i wait until the scuppers take care of it and check the bilge after,...no water. Rain fail, no water in the bilge, waves and spray all day fishing....no water in the bilge. My auto pump never comes on and whne i visually check it each trip, nothing
My ball scuppers are at the bottom of that well and seem pretty straight.
The transom was supposedly rebuilt in 2006, and the guy who did it isnt really detail oriented, so it is possible he just put them in the spot he felt they should go and not relative the the location they should. THEY are about 1-2 inches below the deck at the bottom of that well.
I am not concerned with the amount of water coming over, although it is annoying that on a flat day if i take someones wake, I have to motor up to get the water out (or open the bilge hatch and let the bilge pump do it). With small seas, the rocking of the boat will empty it
My main concern is if my boat is sitting in the water after i use it, but before they pull it, and torrential rains come. That water is just going to collect on the deck.
I have figured a few temp fixes, but mostly want to know why I have this problem.
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From what I'm hearing, it seems you're getting water washing over your transom fairly regularly. When my transom was the stock height (15"), I never really had an issue with that. Sounds like you're getting so much water coming in due to your boat drafting abnormally low in the stern.
Your scuppers are in the correct position, so that's not the issue.
My main concern is if my boat is sitting in the water after i use it, but before they pull it, and torrential rains come. That water is just going to collect on the deck.
I have figured a few temp fixes, but mostly want to know why I have this problem.
I remember Fitz mentioning having an above deck pump setup for this same problem. Hopefully he'll have some pointers on that.
Some possible scenarios as to why your boat's drafting lower:
-The transom was never rebuilt, and is soaking wet.
-The transom was rebuilt, and not sealed properly, and has gradually soaked up a lot of water weight
-Lastly, your stringers have gradually soaked up some water weight (most likely through rain water)
You could find out by drilling some small exploratory holes in your transom, and if you find wet wood, you'll know you have a problem in your transom.
Since you have access to your aft bilge, you can drill a 1/2"-3/4" hole in the side of your stringers, toward the bottom, and see if you get any water flowing out.
Report back with your findings, and we can go from there.
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After reviewing your photos again, the new waterline appears to be more like 10 inches above the bottom paint.
Since the bilge stays dry....
The weight is coming from somewhere, and feel that Marshmarlowe has nailed it.
We pulled my waterlogged transom, JUST the plywood weighed 120 lbs. And only the bottom third was really wet. So if it were totally saturated, could be more like 200+.
The stringers were wet too, but not that bad, just at the bottom. But the rebuilder estimated we pulled out 150#'s or so there with the foam removal.
Hate to tell you all this, for sure no fun to hear. As Jesse says, keep us posted.
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that was one of the answers I hated to hear. I just dropped $1200 in rebuild projects over the winter and hardly have money left for gas. I cant see starting another big project on the boat so soon.
Three questions:
What is the most definitive way to determine it is water in the transom.
what is the consequence of NOT rebuilding the transom for a couple years IF it is waterlogged?
What would the cost be approximately of the project, start to finish, if i did much of it myself. nothing to exact, just rounded to the nearest $500 increment.,
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I have had 5 19-6"'s and 200 Osprey's like yours and you are fine man. That is where they are supposed to sit while at rest. When you get two or 3 big boys back there fishing your are gonna be standing in 2-3" of water. All my transoms and foam were dry. Thats just the way these are. The person who painted on your bottom paint just guestimated I bet. I think Seabob will say the same thing. Then when you move spots and get on a plane, it drains out in about 30 seconds!
This is why I enclosed my new 200 osprey's transom in. Dry to the bone. Keep on fishing my friend!
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Hello all,
So I love my 79 19-6 and during the first year i trailer'd and never really noticed that the scuppers were low in the water, but looking at pictures from last year they were about an inch under (standard ball scuppers.)
This year I replaced a topside 19 gallon fuel with a 44 gallon coffin tank. Now that i keep it the water overnight occasionally I can look at it from land and low and behold when at rest my scuppers are a good couple inches underwater, which means that they cant do a thing unless the boat is on plane or in waves.
With the low transom, this means i get a few waves over the top and the water sits there and I can either open the bilge and let the pump do its thing, wait till the boat rocks enough to drain or get on plane.
Went to sleep thinking about this and lo and behold woke up thinking about this :wink:
From reading the above, over the course of the last few years, the scuppers are riding a good bit lower than they were initially. They started out near the waterline, but looking at the new waterline pic and from your report they've migrated south over time around six inches.
The first Aquasport I was interested in purchasing was a 1985 Osprey 200. That boat had regular transom drains (no ball scuppers) and the owner ran it with the plugs out. 150 Johnson, no water on the deck. Have ridden on two club member's 70's 19-6's. Skoots had ball scuppers, but didn't pay attention to where they were. Marshmarlowe reports his 19-6 is riding a bit higher than yours.
Last thing I want to do is be an alarmist. Lord knows I know how it is to whiz away a bunch of money on a boat. But if the scuppers continue this pattern of migration, for safety's sake, this must be addressed. Especially since it gets pretty chilly in Delaware during striper season.
To the extent she has started riding lower in the water, this also means she is drafting more water and the freeboard at the transom is lower. So lets say you do get a couple of guys at the stern striper fishing on a marginal day, and take some water in. You move everyone to the front, crank her up to throw her on plane. But nothing happens. Engine won't crank. Very real situation. Then with the extra water weight back there, here comes some more water in.
We used to heat and bend lexan to act as wings on the side of the engine at the transom. A homemade wave guard. Basically raised the transom height everywhere but where the engine was mounted. Worked pretty good.
Something else that hit me. Lets say that during the winter on the trailer the ball scuppers were clogged with debris and held water. Then the water froze and the ice cracked the ping-pong balls. It could potentially be like having no balls when it went in the water the next spring.
If this change hadn't occurred, (and may continue to occur) I'd be with Fabucks, that's just the way they are. But especially where you live, how you fish, what you like to fish for and when...Lets do some minor 3/8ths inch exploratory drilling. If everything's fine, great! Throw some marine-tex in those dry holes...and you've got peace of mind.
Lets see what you find (if you want to) and we'll take it from there :thumright:
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I'm not sure I would agree with 19-6's sitting as low as yours is, with your outboard, being normal. Maybe thats the way your year model is (read heavier?), but as far as my observations with my rig, mine is floating considerably higher. The weight gain we're seeing as normal could be attributed to old age :pl:
When I first bought my rig, the transom was stock (15"), and I powered the boat with a 1990 model 90HP OMC, which is probably the same weight as your current engine, maybe <15lbs weight difference. I had no ball scuppers, just open thru-hulls, and my boat self-bailed like it should, tied to the dock. Yes, when I walked my mildly overweight mass to the stern, water came in, but otherwise, the scuppers were not submerged.
Now, my 19-6 spent 364 days a year in a garage, and only saw real use after I purchased it.
As Gran said, seems there's something going on that needs to be addressed... As far as when you need to fix it, you could probably keep on boating for years the way it is now. If it were me though, I'd at least add some kind of above deck pump.
And just so you know what may be the issue, check your transom and stringers as described.
Good Luck :salut:
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Low scuppers are like being Irish; you just have to deal with what god gave you!
Fitz
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It could potentially be like having no balls when it went in the water next spring.
Yeah...that's how I always feel on that first Spring launch...
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To clarify, I dont see it riding any lower this spring than it did last year when i got it. Although I didnt notice it last year, the pictures i took that i checked last week show it did exist. As far as the water over the transom, now that i have a larger tank i a venture out river's and harbors and into rips and more boat traffic, so now I am getting the waves. Last year I stayed in very calm, very protected water since i had a small gas tank and a problematic engine.
I only clarify that because showing progressive sinking is far more alarming than consistently being low since i bought it.
the waterline staining in the previous picture is from just when i got the boat and it is about the same now.
Anyway, I dont plan on ignoring this problem, even if it isn't getting worse.. I will get a bunch of pics tomorrow empty, in the water and at the dock, and some out in the sound. I'll try to get some details back on here tomorrow night.
AND I REALLY appreciate all your feedback. Besides the nuts and bolts of the problem, i appreciate the comments about safety. :thumleft:
When i bring it home in August i will drill a couple holes and see what i get.
Before to much time passes, i will be installing an auto pump on the stern with an inlet in the drain catch and an outlet over the top of the transom and i will wire it directly to the battery to temporarily add some safety until we solve this.
If a new transom is in my future, is it an under $2000, 2-4K, or over 4K project. As you can tell by my range, i have no clue what materials would cost.
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It could potentially be like having no balls when it went in the water next spring.
Yeah...that's how I always feel on that first Spring launch...
First had it "no balls at all" but then changed it to "no balls" for sensitivity and political correctness.
:cheers:
imonna,
The slop deflector previously described worked pretty well...caught about 90% of it. Had it on a '79 Hydrasport.
The transom Bondobill just installed looks great...and wasn't much of a fan of poured transoms 'till saw his work. Shoot him a pm. Hopefully he got out pretty reasonably.
Hey, good luck with this...and must remember...its a B.O.A.T. :roll:
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for whats its worth on my 170 i leave my scupper plugs in and have mounted a small pump(little bigger than the diameter of a beer can) in the corner where the wire chase is and just pump out any splashover or drips from swimming, sure beats several inches of water in the back of the boat. I couldn't get the ball scuppers to work at all it seems the ball would go up against the top of the housing more than against the hole.
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ok. Here is a good pic in calm water, no people, half a tank of gas. To recap, no water in bilge, not worse than last year. When I did drill some transom holes for the new fishfinder bracket, I certainlky didnt get and drips or elaks, but I cant say it was totally dry.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/2fbb678f.jpg)
also, could someone with a picture or link to the transom deflectors post it so i could look at them.
and here is one of the many nice fish we pulled out today.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/P1100336-1.jpg)
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also, could someone with a picture or link to the transom deflectors post it so i could look at them.
Deflectors? :scratch:
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Nice work! Nice blue!
Soak the fillets in seven-up or mountain dew...they'll taste like grouper :thumright:
Just got back from the beach (Wrightsville). There was a 70's 19'6 sitting at the dock there. Good shape, rebuilt several years back. 115 2-stroke Yamaha. Owner has passed..boat will be for sale.
Paid particular attention to the scupper position. The boat self-bailed at the dock, plugs out. The scupper holes were very slightly above the waterline.
We'll get this figured out. PM your way manana.
Jess,
Back in the 80's KM fishing, we would screw tall lexan strips to the transom, effectively raising the transom height preventing washover. This was necessary on some boats due to the livewell weight at the stern.
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Soak the fillets in seven-up or mountain dew...they'll taste like grouper
Hate to derail but scott does that really work ?
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The deflectors are quite common in the Great Lakes. Walleye fisherman use a back troll pattern where they run the outboard in reverse into the current apparently to get better boat control. I have seen actual kits for the purpose.
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I think he meant does the mountain dew trick really work.
I like the idea of the lexan/deflectors. I still would like to figure out why I am 3-5 inches too low
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I guess one good way to validate if there is an issue is get the boat weighed at a truck stop, landfill or scrap yard. Your boat is new enough to research the original hull weight. Weigh the trailer separately, the engine weight from the internet, gas tank estimate, acessories, etc. If the boat is in fact sitting too low in the water from the percieved normal draft, it is going to show up on the scale. If we think its sitting 3-5" too deep in the water; thats alot of weight. I would guess an easy 300#+. Atleast then, the perception can be qualified.
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Soak the fillets in seven-up or mountain dew...they'll taste like grouper
Hate to derail but scott does that really work ?
Scott, it works like a champ. We use a citrus soft drink they make around here...."Sun Drop".
Tastes like Mt. Dew, but not as sweet. Use the real stuff, not the diet. And 30 minutes is a plenty. We use it on KM and spanish too.
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Gonna have to try that on some macks. :salut:
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Had a pleasant and informative conversation with gran tonight. We put a few more pieces togethor. I have foam in both sides of the boat from just aft of the casting deck, probabaly all the way back.
With the displacement I am experiencing, he seems to think i may have more foam than the boat is supposed to have (added by someone over the years), and that this extra foam is holding water. Another piece of the puzzle we sorted out is that my top speed is too low, which only would be known by someone that ahs seen it work right. My 100 horse at 5500rpm, one passenger, standard gear is only hitting about 23 MPH in flat water. So yeah, it would seem that I am sitting on a whole lot of extra weight somewhere.
I will be doing some test holes when back from vacation, but it could be stringers, transom, deck core, extra foam that is soaked, or some combination of them all.
More feedback, other thoughts appreciated.
And a big thanks to gran for the insight tonight :thumleft:
Dont think i posted this one from the spring and you guys seem to enjoy it.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/e9410e9a.jpg)
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Another nice fish...good work Bill :thumright:
Yep, we had a good chat...and feel like we may be on to something. His boat had pie-holes in unusual places. Seems that extra foam was added. We'll find it...in the meantime...
Enjoy your vacation :cheers: :cheers:
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Well, I have been relaxing on Seneca lake in upstate NY all week and tried to not think about my draft problem too much, but as i approach my return home I have to start thinking of my course of action..
After reviewing the feedback from everyone it is clear my boat is sitting several inches lower than it should. The cause is likely water weight and the location (transom, wet foam, stringers) will require significant cost to repair.
Yes I have to decide whether to fix or part out and sell, but that is not my first decision.
My first decision is whether i can make some changes that eliminate the danger of my entire boat being at the mercy of two ping pong balls holding the water out.
If i install lexan/deflector strips along the top edge of the transom to keep waves out; plug the ball scuppers from the inside so that if they do fail, my boat won't be compromised; and install a deck pump that will pull water out of the boat (whether it be wave or rain), would you think I have the bases covered for making my boat more safe and thus usable.
All comments welcome.
and here is a pic of one of the lake trout we pulled in this morning. Its about 5 lbs.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/09a86533.jpg)
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the above deck pump is a great idea,you could even make it removeable by mounting it and a float to a board and
some clips or a 12 v plug for power.also try moving some weight as far front as you can,oh yea nice fish! :salut:
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Can you post any pictures of your bilge access? It still may be just a combo of your stringers and transom having water weight... I remember seeing pictures of your tank replacement thread, and there did seem to be more foam in your circa than the earlier 19-6's / 22-2's. Whether a previous owner added the foam or it was added at the factory is really a matter of speculation and would serve you to know what type of foam it is - if it was added by a PO, there's a good chance it's closed cell foam, which wouldn't contribute to added water weight, just the weight of the foam itself.
I knew a guy who had a problem with water in his stringers, and he drilled a 1" hole in the aft of both of his larger, accessible stringers, and would periodically jack the bow up and let the water flow out of the stringers, then plug it with rubber drain plug and go fishing. Might be something to try.
Above deck pump is a good idea for now.
Yes I have to decide whether to fix or part out and sell, but that is not my first decision.
IMO, if you get to the point that you decide to sell the boat, don't part it out... just sell it. A potential buyer probably wont notice the problem right away... <!-- s:pirat: -->:pirat:<!-- s:pirat: --> That may be dishonest, but it's just business.
Here's some further reading on this subject -
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=3843.0
Good Luck!
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Bill, you may have some boat issues....but you sure have no problems catching nice fish :cheers:
Jesse, Fitz and Pete have a good idea with the deck pump. And the lexan will be a big plus too.
You'll know quite a bit more when you drill a couple holes. G'luck :thumright:
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today I decided to tackle the larger task of installing wave deflectors to keep as much water out of the boat as i can.
I chose 1/4 inch starboard over 1/8 inch lexan for a variety of reasons. 1 1/23 inch stainless pan head screws.
FYUI, the wood that came out of the transom when drilling could be described as damp, but no significant water although all the holes where up high.
Before and afters
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/689c4223.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/fb93d625.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/8c738652.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/727113b0.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/4532dbff.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/d7685b38.jpg)
I did install the plugs in the scuppers from the splashwell side.
i havent drilled the test holes in the stringers yet. Thats for tomorrow or Tuesday.
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Hey, that'll get the job done :thumright: :thumright:
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Thanks. they came out pretty nice and should take a beating. I am going to install the drain from splashwell to bilge tomorrow (if the weather holds).
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All Righty. I installed a drain in the bottom of the splashwell that channels any above deck water to the bilge where the auto pump can eliminate it. i also have a plug for that drain if I need it.
With the two plugs in the scuppers, my "make the boat safer" modifications are done. I have reduced the amount of water that comes over the transom, i have eliminated the risk of sinking because of a failed scupper and i have compensated for the closed scuppers with a drain-to-bilge then pump-from-bilge system.
I am also working on a quick connect back-up bilge system suggested to me by Gran...thanks Gran.
OK now onto the "why does my boat sit so low problem.
I drilled a 1 inch hole through the starboard stringer, approximately 1/2 inch from the bottom and two inches forward of the transom. I actually hoped a crap load of water would come out, but no such luck. What I did find was wet, but not sopping wet foam. Feels cold to the touch and when compressed will give up the water, but no drips, leaks, puddles, pools, or rivers.
Unless someone thinks i should drill a hole in the port stringer, i dont plan on it. I know the transom is wet, I now know the stringers are wet; and i know that I have aftermarket foam along both sides of the boat that is likely wet (I know the starboard side is because of what I found in the gas tank install)
It would seem the answer to why is drafts low is obvious and the solution is not complicated.
Either rip off the deck and transom and re-build or use it as long as it is safe and then part it out and sell the hull to someone that wants a project. Too bad too because i just put that beautiful new tank in.
If anyone has any reliable and creative ways to get the water out of the foam without ripping up the deck, I am all ears.
Bill
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Ok. So I love my boat but wont/cant spend the kind of money a restore prohject will cost in order to remove the wet foam I think exists on the outside of both stringers.
i definitel' have a weight problem though and I have some wet foam in the stringer, but not enough to explain the scuppers being 5 inches underwater.
So once I accept this goal is not to to be restored by me, what I am left with is a whole range of perhaps doable ideas to get the foam out.
SeaBob, I'd love your input on these ideas.
The one the I am most interested in is cutting a 3 by 3 square hole in the following places
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/4ab295ca.jpg)
Notice the squares on either side of the transom,a adjacent to the straps.
I would expect these holes would not affect structural integrity. the transom is all ready wet anyway; and i bet i could fashion something that was big enough to get through the hole and pick out the foam almost all the way forward of the front seat.
Then I expand the forward inspection plates i all ready have just astern of the casting deck and get out the rest.
Any comments.
the next idea is to open two small holes somewhere on the deck or sides that would allow my arm to get through and rip out the foam.
I am open to other ideas as well.
I know i have wet foam all over the starboard side and know that i have foam that could be wet on the port side because i can see it through the inspection hatch.
all i want to do is reduce the weight of the transom so I can get a longer life out of the hull.
i am aware that a lot of the weight might be coming from a wet transom and a wet core of the deck, but my eye is on the aftermarket foam.
Thanks
Bill
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You have done a good job. You have taken the board's advice. You have done everything suggested, and more.
You have a nice boat. And now, a safe boat.
Time to sit back, relax and enjoy, and wait for striper season this fall. I personally am pleased with the prognosis/interim result.
The wet additional foam...you're right, part of the equation. My personal opinion is that given the fishery up there....you need a bigger boat. Things can change quickly in 50 degree water. 24 to 26 min. makes sense to me.
Keep us posted, but more importantly...give input elsewhere. Help the newbies per a similar experience......thanks.
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the reason i figured I'd look into removing it is because I sorted out the details and realized i am blowing through a ton of extra fuel. If there is something I can do to reduce the weight thus fuel costs, i am all for it.
If not, agree, boat is safer and now I have some time to pursue other options.
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We have had PM/phone discussions regarding your boat...and guess what? She ain't that bad.
Sure...she's got buck teef. But so what. Some of the other girls got buck teef too.
First realization...Somebody got cheap with the bottom paint. Paint should have been well above, not below, the lower unit.
Has skewed the thinking re a correct waterline.
Additionally...deck scuppers....need to see specifically where they are placed in relation to the deck height. Request inside pic of scuppers, at rest. Thanks.
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the next idea is to open two small holes somewhere on the deck or sides that would allow my arm to get through and rip out the foam.
Just thinking out loud here but if you even made holes tru the deck to the stringer every say 4 ft,ripped out the foam,poured new foam in then glass in the holes,would that not work,might buy a few more years before a total re do :scratch:
No offense if anyone says i'm wrong,i'm just thinking is all :salut:
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Circle, I'd consider anything that would reduce the weight so I am getting more than .75 miles a gallon (estimate).
I dont have an inside pic of the scuppers on hand, but their are located at the bottom of the splashwell and here is a pic of the back
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/fa2cf494.jpg)
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Thanks for the stern pic.
If she's getting that mileage, and top-end as you describe...CH may have a good fix short-term.
Guess you saw the "wet foam" post...we made need to think along those lines.
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Yeah gran, I am thinking of heading on that direction.
I do not care about cosmetics at this point because at some point the deck and transom will need to be redone anyway. Since everything is solid, it could withstand some exploratory holes that I patch up. I have all the west epoxy and cloth i need on hand, so I guess the only choice is where would the best location be for a single hand sized hole that would allow me to get a good view of the space between the stringer and the side of the hul and reach as much foam as possible.
As a refresher and justification for why i think my weight is on the outside of the stringers, here is what i found on the starboard side when doing the tank
Busted fishbox drain throughhull
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/2005d0c3.jpg)
and it was surrounded by this
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb452/imonna196/7ae035d2.jpg)
which was bone dry at the top, but soaked at the bottom.
I have had my boat pitched in my driveway at around 20 degrees to stern all week, so if i have a chance of getting water, now would seem to be it.
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Good deal. This thing ain't gonna whip us.
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Sorry for cumming in late, I remember a post when I first joined, A member drilled and installed an air fitting in the forward portion of his stringer and another at the rear in the bilge. put light air pressure to the front, and water comes out the back. I don't know if it worked, but it sounds like it would. Just another option before you start cutting holes in your boat! Good luck .