Classic AquaSport
General Aquasport Forums => Aquasport Discussion => Topic started by: JimCt on January 07, 2006, 01:14:17 AM
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Found this 22-2 locally for sale.
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/JimCT_/222d.jpg)
Will be going over for a look-see on Sunday. Haven't seen it in person yet. Judging by this & other pix seller sent she looks to have some wear & tear but appears to be all there. My experience has been only with my 170 as far as looking for problems such as soft deck spots & weak transom. Are there any other areas which I should look out for? Hard to see from the picture but it looks like she had twins at some point. Plexi at the transom I think is the remainder of a splash board. Any info. on hp this year hull was rated for? Am undecided if I want the engine or not. Maybe if compression's good I should take it. We'll see.
Advice, opinions & info. needed...
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i would bring a rubber mallet or a moisture meter depending on the asking price, could be some major wetness or rot, transom, deck etc. Definately looks like the boat was powered w/ twins, or was converted from an inboard?? Why the vents??Could be wrong but my 1st thought was inboard
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Looks like a nice boat.
I only see one "notch" where the main motor is now. Don't see evidence of big holes drilled through transom on each side for twins??? I do see where they may have had a kicker though. Maybe I'm missing something. You'll let us know though.
I was wondering about the vents too - maybe a design standard back then? I saw them on OldSchool's and assumed it had to do with inboard. Then saw on a few other 222s and wondered about them - have to go back to the literature section again I guess.
Good luck Jim.
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Thanks for the observations. I spent quite some time looking over the pictures and did see the vent but never occured to me to connect it to the possibility she might have been inboard, or maybe I/O originally. If she was originally inboard, likely I'll see other evidence. If she never was inboard, why the vents? Don't have any interior shots. Looks to still have the orig. green "rope" railing.
Another view:
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/JimCT_/222e.jpg)
Will take camera & mallet tomorrow, get detail shots all around and do some thumping. Will post findings.
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Am I going to have a problem towing this puppy with my cherokee? Nothing long distance of course...
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as far as what limited knowledge i have of inboards, vents are needed just like blowers to get rid of fumes, i.e. fire, explosion(would be embarrassed if someone told otherwise), i believe some old sea craft cc's also have them, prob from inboards, can't see the need w/ outboards
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My father had vents on his 70's 19-6 AS just like those that ran to his gas tank. He ran a 80's Evinrude V4 115hp.
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Another view:
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/JimCT_/222e.jpg)
Will take camera & mallet tomorrow, get detail shots all around and do some thumping. Will post findings.
Hadn't seen the "bandaid" on the port front. Check it out and it should give you a little more negotiating power.
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I’ll be the voice inside :twisted: . Go for it Jim, you know you want it, you have the Aquasport bug. You can never have to many boats........
That is the nicest 222 that I have seen around these parts. One man can not have to many boats. Hell, I just purchased a ‘69 thunderbird to rebuild. :shock: Loved them boats ever since I was a kid.
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DD,
Why'd I have the suspicion I'd hear from some trouble-maker like you...? Thought you were "One Boat at a Time". Well, of course you are right; I do want a 22-2 and love can be (and as a rule is) blind. On the other hand $ are $. Just don't want to be making a bad move going to the altar with this one.
Guess I'm a bit spoiled with the 170; she arrived just about perfect. This 22-2 looks to have been honestly used, not abused, from what little I can make of her. A few dings & boinks here & there certainly aren't deal breakers but a weeping fuel tank and/or punky transom are. Sadly, there are a lot of AS junks out there.
Rick, Hadn't thought about that plastered-up puncture damage as a negotiating item, but you have a point.
One thing I try to live up to in any negotiation is to be a "good buyer". If I sense the seller is up-front and dealing in good faith, I'll never try to pound the negotiation so hard the seller feels squeezed. Case in point was when I bought the 170. In talking with the seller, I found out he had just bought another boat and really had to get rid of the 170... fast. Could I have squeezed another $500 out of the deal? Easily. But by doing that he & I would have come away from the deal as adversaries. I put the $500 in his pocket because I wanted to be able to contact him after the sale to help with any questions I might have about the boat or engine. As it turned out, I had several post-sale phone conversations with him. His knowlege of the boat & engine paid me back that money. He subsequently helped me out in the registration process with paperwork, gave me all the service paperwork on the engine and some sound advice. If he'd been wedged by the deal, he certainly wouldn't have been too happy to hear from me again. Lord knows, no one likes to leave money on the table. In the right circumstances though, those few extra bucks can turn out to be a good investment indeed.
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Jim - I agree totally. It's there if you need it.
What are you going to do with the 170?
The reason I ask is I too have the 5ft envy but every time I look at buying one, I realize that I would end up with what I already have but 5ft longer. Then I'd have 2 of the same boat in the driveway 'cause I probably wouldn't want to part with the 170 :roll:
Maybe I can find an AS cutty - I really like the 25s but don't have the vehicle to pull it (got rid of that capability 2 years ago) and the loop begins.
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Yep, but where would we be without acknowledging the voices inside. You will make the right choice. “One boat at a time” is what I say, so my 17’ will be up for sale shortly to make room for my next project that I will have plenty of time to work on where I may be going. Good luck with it, we know you will make the right choice.
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The means for towing a 22-2 haven't been worked out... Have to see if the Cherokee is up to the task. Trailer has surge brakes so maybe that'll help.
This is this morning:
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/JimCT_/first_pix015.jpg)
Advantage (disadvantage) is that there's room for fifty boats in the back field. I speak from experience concerning the slow collection of things I can't possibly use; I have 4 tractors in the barn of which only one "works" for a living. Likely I'd sell the 170 if the 22-2 is in shape to be comissioned in the spring.
DD, don't rely on me or my voices inside for any imitation of sanity.
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Brrrr... we're freezing (so to speak) down here and it's in the 40s. MAY be too cold to go out on the boat although I'm tempted to go later in the day.
What does the Cherokee have for muscle? 4cyl or 6cyl or 8cyl? 4 cyl - lucky if you could tow the 170 out of a steep ramp, 6 cyl - ok for 170 (I have 6 cyl in my Tacoma), any bigger boat I think I would go with an 8 cyl.
Now, I don't know how heavy the 222 CC is - a few hundred (500?) more than the 170 empty + bigger motor=more weight. I know with my (ex) F150 4x4 with 5.8L and towing package I wouldn't sweat the 222 at all. Don't know how ballsy the Cherokees are. I have a buddy who tows his 25 AS Family Fisherman with a dodge 2500 4x4 diesel and that is a big, heavy boat (much bigger than the truck).
We'll be waiting for the report.
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The vents were a Coast Guard requirement for hulls with internal fuel tanks and not totally foamed. Note two intakes on the bow and the exaust portside on the stern. Part of the preflight should be to sniff the exaust. You can detect a developing fuel leak early on.
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G-man, thanks for the fuel vent info. They certainly didn't skimp on the venting! Will add sniff test to the list.
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Just got back. Not a good match for me. She's all there but really, really tired all around. Deck has more than a few soft spots & transom is due now. Didn't need to do any mallet thumping.
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/JimCT_/first_pix016.jpg)
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Pictures show a sawsall transom lowering job executed so the engine would sit low enough. Leaves about 4.5" freeboard. Had twins once. Bow punctures are in the same places on both sides. Can't imagine how that was done. No telling if the surrounding areas are delaminated. Sixteen year old motor likely with high hours. Trailer's fair. Needs springs/shackles.
This would be a great project boat for someone to pick away at. Can be had for ~$400 w/o motor. But not my $400.
The search continues...
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Jim,
I used to tow my 222 with a six cylinder Ford Ranger. It worked hard, but was up to the task! The only time I had problems was at low tide trying to pull out of a slippery ramp.
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That's why I didn't see any holes for the twins - they were the old screw down type like I had on mine originally.
Can't imagine what would have put a hole through the hull in the front on both sides - gunshot? :lol:
$400 is definitely a fixer up price.
Who was the member that tallied all he'd spent restoring his 222 and it was 40k+ :shock: - bet it's nice though.
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Could be a gunshot hole I suppose... close range 12 Ga. #6 shot possibly. $40k ought to fix that, straighten her stockings & comb her hair out some.
Got back & went out to visit the 170. I'd be nuts to sell her. I've looked at too many blown-out, abused, crunched and generally neglected 170's & 22-2's. Is simple basic maintenance unknown to the greater boating public? At least cover it for the winter or, failing that big effort, blow the leaves out so it'll drain. Storing uncovered with the bow down is also popular. Guess it's neglect of what they have which keeps 'em coming back for new boats. Keeps the economy chugging.
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I'm with you, some people respect nothing. Don't know why. Maybe they didn't buy the boat, so don't care what happens to it? I see some trashed boats when I'm on the water. Bringing people on your boat can be disheartening too, I saw a thread on THT that was about the worse things people do while on other's boats, it was pretty funny. Black soled shoes and Cheetos topped the list.
I went out yesterday and saw that my new "tarp support system" did a lousy job and allowed my cover to get ripped by the windsheild corner :x . I spent a couple hours today, with some input from a buddy, and designed version 6 (?), installed it, ironed on patch number 2 on the tarp and covered her back up. We'll see how long this one lasts. As long as I make sure there are no corners exposed, it'll be fine and I think I have it this time :roll:
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Did it warm up enough to get out on the water today? You said it was down to 40 there. Down there that is cold!
Good luck with the tarp. If V. 6 fails maybe you can make up sort of a padded glove to pull over the frame to cushion the corners? I have more or less the same problem with my winter cover. Hasn't chaffed through yet but I know it's coming.
Almost forgot; got a small digital camera for my birthday. Loads pictures directly into the back of the computer. Small enough to drop in my pocket and takes fair pictures. The picture above of my 170 in the snow was taken with it. I shoot pictures on the 640 x 480 setting so that the complete picture will display on the computer screen. I'm on dial-up so it's also faster shooting them over to Photobucket. Resolution is 3.5 mp I think.
The worst thing I've seen is someone snuffing out a cigarette on a varnished mahogany rail on a beautifully restored wood sailboat at a boat show... Thats why at car shows you DO NOT TOUCH the cars. The owner's right there with a tire iron in his hand ready to enforce the rule.
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To keep the corners from ripping the tarp try using those noodle floats that they sell for a 1.00 at Wally world cut them down the middle where they are hollow and they slip over corners and rails. They work well for me in the past. Just some food for thought.
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To keep the corners from ripping the tarp try using those noodle floats that they sell for a 1.00 at Wally world cut them down the middle where they are hollow and they slip over corners and rails. They work well for me in the past. Just some food for thought.
I've padded the windshield with all kinds of things over the years and it never seemed to help. I'm sure the trials will continue. What seems to do it is if you can get rid of the windshield, i.e. put pvc tubing over it so that no matter what happens the tarp never touches it and all stress is transferred over a lot of area. Using PVC rounds out everything too - no sharp corners.
Here is what the tear looked like. Even though I filed the edge of the PVC, I guess there was enough of a corner so that when the wind took the tarp up and then back down (it's like a vacuum and no matter what I do the wind still moves this tarp), the corner got it.http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1215/sort/1/cat/500/page/1
I forgot to take an after picture. I will the next time I take her out or when I'm working on her - whichever is sooner.
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Did it warm up enough to get out on the water today? You said it was down to 40 there. Down there that is cold!
I reworked the tarp support system instead but was sure wishing I was out there - it was a gorgeous afternoon. If I hadn't repaired the tarp it would have gotten shredded. At $125 a pop, you tend to try to prolong their demise.
Almost forgot; got a small digital camera for my birthday. Loads pictures directly into the back of the computer. Small enough to drop in my pocket and takes fair pictures. The picture above of my 170 in the snow was taken with it. I shoot pictures on the 640 x 480 setting so that the complete picture will display on the computer screen. I'm on dial-up so it's also faster shooting them over to Photobucket. Resolution is 3.5 mp I think.
Seems to work well - Happy Birthday!! :D
The worst thing I've seen is someone snuffing out a cigarette on a varnished mahogany rail on a beautifully restored wood sailboat at a boat show... Thats why at car shows you DO NOT TOUCH the cars. The owner's right there with a tire iron in his hand ready to enforce the rule.
They would have died right there.
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You guys up in the U.S don´t realize how lucky you are. Everytime I look at boat trader, ebay, etc. and see the availability and price of good used boats in the U.S I want to go crazy.... That 400.00 dollar boat in Panama would make a great fixer upper. You´d end up spending about 15K and the end result would be great. Labor is cheap down here.
Finding a good used boat down here is hard. Everybody wants top bucks for their boats and some are in very bad shape. Comes with the territory. There are just not so many boats around. Go figure, with all that water around us. That is changing, however, as there is a bunch of americans and europeans retiring in Panama. They come with $ on their pockets and maybe will buy new boats for us Panamanians to buy used in the future.......
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Miguel,
Business Plan: Get a 40' container, stuff it full of boats (like the 22-2 I went to see), ship it to Panama & sell the boats. You know the turf down there...
Could we retire :?: :?: :?:
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That's what I was thinking. I know someone that is getting rich buying US full size used pickups and shipping them to Europe. Well, he is living like he is rich anyway. :wink:
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Could we retire
C´mon guys..... You know better. There is no such thing as EASY money.
The used boat market is not large here. Down here people with money buy new boats or travel to Miami to find a good used one (and bring it down by means of the 40 footer or as deck cargo). The rest don´t have money to spare on "mundane" hobbies....
You´d probably end up selling a couple of boats and thats it..... I´m still looking for another way to get an early retirement.......
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G-Man is right about the vents. I have the same 22-2 and it came with two vent intakes up on the bow cap and the same vent on the port side aft. I took the bow ones off and replaced the old vent back aft. All in all the boat looks like it's in decent condition. Defently check the deck, I had to replace mine. Good luck.... DP