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Aquasport Mechanicals - things that need a wrench, screwdriver or multimeter => Plumbing => Topic started by: pete on December 02, 2010, 06:08:37 PM
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Started my fishbox drain project today,picked up an 8" pie plate cut the opening and drilled the hole on the bottom for the pump.Putting in the pie plate alone is a good idea as it gives good access to the bilge pump.Using the existing pump and screen as is there is still going to be about a 1/2" of water left in the box,way better than before,but not good enough.I was thinking about installing a drain like this one http://www.marineeast.com/a_sch/sch_det ... &pid=02_07 (http://www.marineeast.com/a_sch/sch_det.asp?cid=02&pid=02_07)
and using some fittings and hose to hook to the pump.Any ideas would be welcome.Thanks!
Pete :salut:
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Started my fishbox drain project today,picked up an 8" pie plate cut the opening and drilled the hole on the bottom for the pump.Putting in the pie plate alone is a good idea as it gives good acsess to the bilge pump.Using the existing pump and screen as is there is still going to be about a 1/2" of water left in the box,way better than before,but not good enough.I was thinking about installing a drain like this one http://www.marineeast.com/a_sch/sch_det ... &pid=02_07 (http://www.marineeast.com/a_sch/sch_det.asp?cid=02&pid=02_07)
and using some fittings and hose to hook to the pump.Any ideas would be welcome.Thanks!
Qualified Engine dept member,
Pete :salut:
Pete
Would like some pics, I especially am interested in the pie plate access to the bilge pump, since I can barley touch it even with my long arms through the rear access. As far as the fish box, I use the original set up, but drilled a 1" or so hole in the bottom and just put a through hull fitting in there and use a rubber garboard drain plug, out when it's just sitting on the trailer with the hull drain plug out, so the rain drains out. In when I'm using the fishbox, which actually isn't very often, with the one piece lid, removing it while everyone is in the stern fishing is a real Beech. But if I do, I let the original pump get most of the stuff out, remove any chunks, then just rinse out with some bleach water into the bilge and let it run out. The drain in the box is primarily to avoid the overfill during heavy rains.
Marc
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Pete i second the need for pics,my curiosity i running wild on this one.
Marc that's not a bad idea with the drain plug,when my pump went out i removed it and left the hole open for awhile,it was nice not having water in there after a rain,but i replaced the pump now same problem again.
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will get some pics up soon,my plan is to put a drain plug in the original hole to drain out the rainwater,also going to put weather striping all the way around the opening to stop most of the rain water from coming in.
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You guys should have been working for AS when I was there...we would have had enough voices!!! :salut: :salut:
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Got all my parts and started to work some more on the fishbox,pretty happy with the results,did a test before I hard mounted everything,it left about a 1/4" inch of water in the box versus the 2 " before the mod here are some pics...
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/003-1.jpg)
the pump
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/Photo029.jpg)
access to bilge pump
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/Photo028.jpg)
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still need to clean up the wiring and put the weatherstriping around the edge.
pic under the box
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/005.jpg)
will be much easier to work in the bilge area,can also get to the livewell plumbing from there as well :salut:
also thinking about adding a support bracket by glassing a block to the hull.
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Got all my parts and started to work some more on the fishbox,pretty happy with the results,did a test before I hard mounted everything,it left about a 1/4" inch of water in the box versus the 2 " before the mod here are some pics...
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/Photo029.jpg)
acsess to bilge pump
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/Photo028.jpg)
Pete, are these shots looking through the pie plate you put in?? The bilge pump and through hull for the washdown/livewell are that easy to access?? I'm there.... :cheers:
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yep thats looking through the pie plate :salut:
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looking up at the bottom of livewell
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/box001.jpg)
looking through pie plate
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/box002.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/box003.jpg)
:salut:
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Man that pie plate would have been nice when i redid my pumps,good job Pete. :thumright:
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A pie plate WILL get installed in Marc-Time this winter... that makes getting in the stern bilge area too easy.
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I see a pie in my future :salut:
Great idea....
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can't take all the credit,seabob was my inspiration on this one,he gave me some great ideas :salut:
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can't take all the credit,seabob was my inspiration on this one,he gave me some great ideas :salut:
Well thank both of you then because one will be in my boat soon. :salut:
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X2 :salut:
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update..fiberglass encapsulated [like that word]a wood block and screwed a stainless steel strip to it to make a bracket to hold the pump from bouncing around,the upgrade pumps out the box down to about a 1/4 to 1/2" of water before it is sucking too much air to do any more good,only problem is when you shut it off the water in the hose rushes back in the box,not that much though,was wondering if putting some sort of check valve after the pump would help.Now I know that you don't put a check valve inline with a bilge pump,but this is not the case?Overall very happy with the improvement I was able to get in there and clean the bilge area real good,next step is to weatherstrip the top edge and put the lid back on.
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/pump002.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/pump001.jpg)
Later,
Pete :salut:
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Pete,
Don't know how well a Check valve would work in a macerator system, the little debris might clog it and make it worthless anyway??
Marc
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Pete,
You might try a "cork". A plug that fits your drain in the box. Pump out til it starts sucking air and insert the plug. Leave the plug in till the next time you need to pump out the box. It would eleminate any chance for a check valve clog, keep the backwash out and should be a slight bit cheaper. :)
Thinkin"out loud.
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brief update on this thread,Mark Sr got me motivated,Double Trouble had a great suggestion to put a check valve in line to stop the back wash effect,well I picked one up at West and finally got around to putting it in,no pic but I put it right between the pump and the black outlet hose,the result,no backwash,fishbox empties down to about 1/4" of water in the bottom,project done :cheers:
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/Photo029.jpg)
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Great thread Pete.How big is pie plate? Is it in the center of fish box or off to right.The pics you took make it look like your inside or have access from the other side.Keep up with great ideas and pics. Thanks
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Very nice. You have motivated me to correct this problem that has bothered me for a long time :)
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Pete,do you have a cc or an explorer.I'm just trying to figure out why your fish box looks different.My main question is could I use a rectangle hatch cover fo more of an opening or just stick with pie plate.Again,great idea.
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2003 225 osprey TM
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/FL2991RY11.jpg)
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Ill try and take some pics of what the prior owner did to my 225's fishbox. He managed to put a 90 thru hull into the recessed area just under the oem drain, and did it without a putting an extra hole in the box for an access plate. He had to have had rubber arms I imagine..
Rather than using a short piece of hose to hook the drain to the pump, he ran a hose all the way back to the transom and added an extra drain in the transom. Must have kept it on a trailer, would have been tough to drain in water. When I bought the boat the fitting and the hose was packed with sand from rain and wind.
I have 97 225 explorer and I bought a 13x24 double seal access hatch like on the other mod on here. But I'm going to try and get this done with just the 6" access in the box now.
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heres the pic of the hole in my fishbox. Turns out it was wide enough to just flip the pump upside down and insert it from the bottom. I cut the threads off that were exposed above the nut, and it leaves the top of the pump inlet about 3/8" below the bottom of the fishbox. I will use some silicone to fill in the recessed area to the top of the pump/nut and then lay some stainless screen down on top. With it 3/8" below the box itself it should do ok. I'll post a pic of the finished drain later.
Oh, I could only get my arm into the access hole far enough to just barely touch the pump. No way I could have removed the drain itself, so in goes the 13x24 access hatch.
(not sure how to resize pics, so if it's too big...)
(http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp83232%3Euqcshlukaxroqdfv6997%3Dot%3E2486%3D%3C35%3D5%3A3%3DXROQDF%3E26597%3A%3A%3C33253ot1lsi)
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I really like having the big hatch in my fish box, easy to clean the bilge, get to the Bilgle pump, and close the sea cock if necessary, that handle I guarantee hadnt been moved since new, and it opened and closed easily.. That's quality workmanship and materials :lol: