Classic AquaSport
Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Miscellaneous Aquasport Hull Info => CCP Models => Topic started by: damnitbadger on May 20, 2007, 10:22:12 PM
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Headed to the coast this weekend for a trip to the Islands. My brother was headed out as well in his HydoSport 25 WA. The trip to the Pass was relatively uneventful except for my fill up. I got to my brothers and had gas in the bilge. Upon further investigation I found a split hose on the overflow and a dirtdobbers nest at the hull fitting. I hate those things. Drained off some fuel and washed it out good. All was well.
Took the AS and family to Long Beach Harbor for some sun and fun. About 10:30 we put in and headed to Ship Island. Out of the harbor we were met with a 1' chop with the seas growing the further out we got. About 3/4 of the way there it was 2'-3' with winds out of the north. The AS's ride was great and very dry. 25mph was comfortable for all aboard (wife, daughter, son and myself) We got there and anchored on the southwest tip. Beautiful day, as it got later the gulf calmed down with a light breeze and nothing but sunshine. About five boats when we got there. As the day progressed there were about 20 or so boats. Typical laid back in the sun kind of day, good for the soul. The trip back was easy with light rollers and no chop. 35-40mph cruise was easy turning between 3.5 and 4k with the 200efi Merc. In all a great day. I do still have some concerns about my motor height on the new bracket. In the 3' stuff I was getting a lot of spray from the cavitation plate. not as much in the calmer water. Got a few pics for those interested.
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The trip back
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A good day all around... that's what it's all about!
Maybe with that split in the hose it'd be good idea to inspect all the hose. E10 will destroy old hose causing splits & leaks.
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Nice.
I have not been to Ship Island since I was about 14 but it was a great place then.
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Lookin' good - how far out was this island?
With the bracket set-back, it looks like it sits a little heavier in the back but not too bad.
So, what is your ride impression now after the enclosure vs before? Does the ride feel much different?
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It's still a great place. After Katrina, the sound seems cleaner as far as the mud and silt. the water is clear and greenish/blue again on the barrier islands. Ship island is about 12 miles off shore.
The CCP rides 2" higher with the bracket than it did prior to the change, but the old transom was wet and I suspect rode lower as a result. I had just gotten the boat last year and only had the occasion to take it out a few times prior to the change so I never really got to know the boat much in it's before state. But the difference is unmistakably improved. It now has a big boat feel with small boat maneuverability. Rough water ride is much better and the extra space is a vast improvement. I guess the full transom/bracket is some what deceptive just to looking at it but the bottom corners on the stern are almost out of the water at rest.
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Did you get to try the Johnson washdown kit you bought? How was the pressure?
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Rick the pump is a 5.5gph and has great water pressure. The kids keep spraying each other with it. Spray from the nozzle that came with it is good for 10'-15' with good volume. I split out of the pump with a tee and a ball valve and use it to fill my live well also.
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Hey Badger,
How fast does your 222 go with that 200hp Merc?
Do you like that size? wish it was bigger or smaller (150hp maybe)?
I've got a '73 CCP 222 that I'm trying to decide on a motor for.
I don't think I want anything bigger than a 200 due to weight & gph.
Recently been thinking about 150hp just because of gph.
Any thoughts.....
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Prior to the bracket I could squeeze 47mph out of her trimmed. After the bracket I can get 54mph with a full tank my son and no gear. Cruises good at 40mph 3.8-4K with a 19 pitch Vengeance prop. I would recommend a 225 opti for max fuel economy.
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Did you mount the bracket for 20" or 25" shaft?
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Mike- you want a 25" shaft. 20" shaft puts the powerhead too close to the waterline IMO.
However I thought you had a 222, not a CCP. I was convinced in 73 there were no CCPs, but I will wait for an "authority" like Jim to comment... ???
FYI, a CCP has significantly more deadrise than a "regular" 222. Once the CCP came out I think they referred to the old school 222 as a "Sandpiper". Point of this rambling is that 200hp on a 222 is way more power versus hull design than a 200 on a CCP, because a CCP takes more power to push the hull with increased deadrise.
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Yea, the classic add from the 70's that Jim put up once only called it a 22-2 and refered to it as open fisherman style with a modified V.
I was really just assuming it was a Center Console Professional. Maybe that style name came later for a similiar open fisherman form?
You are right though, the CCP's have a 19deg rise while the '73 22-2 are about 12deg rise.
With a bracket, trim tabs and smaller rise, she should jump out of the water with less hp.
Maybe I will look into 150's instead of 200's. Thanks.
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A 175 is also an option... just look at the weight of the motor. For example, an 150 and 175 Merc share the same blocks- 2.5L. So they are pretty much identical, just slightly more HP. Step up to a 200, the block is bigger, as is the weight. Suzuki's 150 and 175 are also the same block. Just something to think about...
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Mike, you have the forward casting deck, so it isn't a CCP. The sides aren't as high as a CCP either.
You can see the differences here:
Your boat:
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/answeeney/1CA3EN332.jpg)
Side by side comparison:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/534/682ndGetTogether13.JPG)
When JJ picked you and the Missus up at the dock, you remember that safe feeling caused by the high gunnels of JJ's boat? You can see the depth of the inside of JJ's boat vs Tim's. JJ's is a CCP and Tim's is what turned into an Osprey.
The later boats, 90's+, combined these two features and have forward casting deck with high sides AND an enclosed transom.
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I want a casting deck. :(
It's a bear to throw a cast net from in there. I'm too damn old to balance on the bow of a rocking boat and throw a 15 lb. cast net.
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I see the difference Rick, thanks.
John, you'll just have to get a younger crew to gather bait or build a casting deck into your bow. :wink:
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Yeah no doubt JJ- bring that thing by and I'll start cutting on it. Sooner or later there'll be a casting deck!
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:lol:
I have been contemplating a new rule for my boat. NO males allowed aboard unless they have a demonstrated ability to throw a cast net.
Don't tempt me Richard. I might just take you up on it ;)
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Hey man, in all seriousness, that is a pretty easy addition that (IMO) might make your boat more user friendly for your applications. Wait till next winter, and let's set it up! I even have some hatch molds that would work up there.
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JJ, what kind of WOT and cruise speeds are you getting with the 225 johnrude? Is that a 97 CCP? A bracket would give you the platform from which to throw your net :lol:
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Richard, sounds like a plan to me. :)
badger, '78 CCP, '93 225 OceanRunner. She will hit 40 mph @ 5800 RPM with a full load. Just me, no gear, 1/4 tank it hits 6100 RPM. It's a 4-blade prop. I could probably get more with a 3 blade. With the current setup, she will not always stay on plane below 4200 RPM unless the wind is at your back. Today all I care about is efficiency. :roll:
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I meant to ask if it was a 87 model not a 97. Mine is hard to keep on plane as well though 3200 and above it's ok. Before the bracket it was 3600 and above. I would be curious to see a picture of your hull. Mine is pretty much smooth the entire length, no strakes on the rear. My top end is in the 50's which is more than enough, so I may consider going to a mirage 4 blade to aid in the lower RPM's to stay on plane and help with hole shot although the hole shot is decent as is. I seldom run WOT if for no other reason because of fuel economy. I'm hoping next year to purchase a Merc 250XS but that may just be wishful thinking on my part. What the hell! You gotta have something to shoot for.LOL :lol:
6100 RPM :shock: (I get nervous above 5600)
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Looks good I haven't been back to Biloxi post Katrina. I've been stationed at Keesler twice. Last time I took my 75' 222 down with me and I had blast around cat and ship island. The new bracket looks good. DP
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With the current setup, she will not always stay on plane below 4200 RPM unless the wind is at your back.
Why do you think that is JJ? Does it have anything to do with the T-top?
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I don't know Rick. I took the tower off a few weeks ago thinking the wind resistance and weight was killing me. It did not make that much difference. It does feel better when turning but no big difference in performance or GPH. I'm seriously considering taking the t-top off also. Primarily because I can't get under the Skyway Fishing Pier for bait but it should help some. I'm thinking tune-up and different prop will make a big difference. I would give a lot for one more MPG.
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JJ-
For my experience a Ttop only makes a 2-4 mph difference (top end)- so I doubt that's the issue... I would say prop possibly- because your top end rpms may be a little high. Pitch up, prop pushes you further at lower rpms, maybe you'll stay on plane at more reasonable rpm ranges.
Or I could be completely wrong...
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(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/Badger427/PICT0022.jpg)
This is a picture with the motor in the second hole from the top. Yesterday I moved up to the third hole and the wake cleaned up a great deal but I lost 200rpm and 6-7mph at WOT. I honestly thought I would gain rpm. guess I will try and go the other way and see what happens.
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Hydraulic jack plate?
:twisted:
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Nope, just motor bolted to the bracket. If did not know better I would say it could go one hole higher but I hate to run it up that high. In the third hole today the cavitation plate is about an inch below the surface running at cruise speed. I honestly thought bringing the prop closer to the surface would yield higher rpm's, but that was not the case. I'm thinking I may need to re-prop to another pitch to get the rpm's and top end up. I'm running a 19" pitch now. With the motor mounted in the third hole my WOT rpm's today were 5100 and 47mph
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I was hinting that if you had a jack plate you could adjust it on the fly and get it perfect without having to move the motor manually.
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Or I could be completely wrong...
Nah, I think you nailed it. I have been thinking prop for a good while. I just want economy, I do not care about hole shot or top speed.
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Just wondering how far is it to Ship Island?
Looks really nice.
Never mind, sorry I did not mean to be lazy, but I was reading the thread and I guess I missed it the first time, 12 miles...right :wink:
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Keith,
If I remeber correctly it's 11.2 from the Beau Rivage.
DP
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Keith,
If I remeber correctly it's 11.2 from the Beau Rivage.
DP
Thanks, I am really wanting to to take a trip out there, I'm just going to do a few things to my "new to me" Osprey 200 and then I'm going to make the trip, probably in September
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I passed through Gulfport when I picked up my boat from Tampa in February just to check out the progress since Katrina. George W was in town that day so all the roads were closed. I used to go in May for the past few years, take the ferry out and walk to the west end to fish. My understanding is that now it's a shorter walk! I wnated to go back this year and use my own boat ('86 Osprey 200) but since I couldn't do my recon I opted for Galveston instead. Big mistake, but that's another story.... I want to go back to Ship Island this coming May for the great flyfishing.
What about boat ramps? I only know (knew?) of the one by the ferry. I will probably use the campground at the Navy base if there's room.
Max
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I used "Google Earth" to get a birds eye view of the island, looks pretty good to me. I am really wanting to go this month. I have been going over somethings with my '86 Osprey 200, getting my carbs rebuilt right now, my biggest concern is my trailer. Gulfport is 180 miles from my home port, and I don't have a lot of confidence in the trailer that came with the boat. Trying to find a used trailer in good condition. Maybe we could get together for May.
Keith
PS: Both my sons did their basic @ Ft Leonard Wood Mo
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Keith,
I would like that--providing you're willing to put up with a fly fisher! I too have Googled the island and it looks good from an angler's standpoint. I have a 12-hour drive time circle in my DeLorme program and Gulfport is right on the edge.
My next project is posting some pics of my boat once I get it cleaned up, tighten all the stuff that vibrated loose on this last trip to Lake Texoma, add a few gizmos to make fishing easier. and take it to the storage yard. In early October I'll drag it to Arkansas for a mixed bag of wading for trout on the White River and using it for stripers on Lake Norfolk.
Max
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Fly fisherman get thirsty too...don't they?
If you get the chance post some pics of your boat, I would like to see how you have your kicker mounted.
I would like to put one on mine, so I would like some ideas. I have a chance to buy a 8hp johnson in excellent condition for $400.00.
I see you are running a 115, I've got a 150 johnson, I wonder what the weight diff is?
Keith
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Specs are starting to head into the marshes.
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It's still a great place. After Katrina, the sound seems cleaner as far as the mud and silt. the water is clear and greenish/blue again on the barrier islands. Ship island is about 12 miles off shore.
The CCP rides 2" higher with the bracket than it did prior to the change, but the old transom was wet and I suspect rode lower as a result. I had just gotten the boat last year and only had the occasion to take it out a few times prior to the change so I never really got to know the boat much in it's before state. But the difference is unmistakably improved. It now has a big boat feel with small boat maneuverability. Rough water ride is much better and the extra space is a vast improvement. I guess the full transom/bracket is some what deceptive just to looking at it but the bottom corners on the stern are almost out of the water at rest.
I'm coming in rather late on this post (probably because I just joined). I'm running a bracket on my 222 and the wake appears about the same. Some difference can be contributed to the fact that I'm towing a "tuber" but I'd say they're fairly close. I'll try and attach the pic to this post. If all else fails, it will be in the Members PG.
You CCP is what I have always wanted to do to mine i.e. close in the transom and deck all the way back. It gives that extra fishing room these boats lack (IMHO)
Capt. Bob
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Lets try again with the photo post.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/2156Bracket_induced_wake.JPG)