Classic AquaSport
Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Osprey Style Hull Rebuilds => 200 Rebuilds => Topic started by: Crives92 on January 07, 2020, 02:17:42 PM
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I have officially kicked off the rebuild process. I just wanted to document it and of course welcome any advice of the many experts. I have been around boats (of all kinds) my entire life. I have never done this level of rebuild though. I am planning to put a new nidacore floor, potentially a new transom (at least a partial rework...the current job looks like :*:), new gas tank, new console and leaning post, rewire with some new electronics, and finally paint for the inside and outside. I plan for ice blue on the outside and a light grey accented for non skid on the inside. No bottom paint. I have already kicked off the process and have removed the ttop, console, and center floor. I will try and post pics as I go. Thanks and enjoy my mistakes. 🤣👍👍👍
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Good luck and thanks for sharing. Nice to see a 200 getting some love.
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Thanks mike. It needs much love. Cutting the floor out tomorrow.
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Cale - I moved some of your pics into your Member Gallery (that's where you should upload them). I also "Edit photo/Rotate CW/Saved" any pics that needed it. You may need to refresh the screen to see the changes. When you take a pic with your phone make sure you hold the phone horizontally with the lens to the left. That will ensure they appear correctly when you post them.
Looks like you're making some progress, which is a good thing. Is your plan to re0use the wiring trough or run pipes for cables/wiring?
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Thanks rick. I thought that is where I uploaded them, and i couldn't for the life of me figure out how to rotate them. You know as a millenial you would think i would know this stuff being raised up around computers. 🤣🤣. I am an old soul millenial I suppose. I plan to run pipes. I HATE that stupid trough. I liked it when I first bought the boat but it just stays filthy all the time. Where do you reccomemend running the pipes? Thanks.
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Floor is mostly removed. What the hell is the point of the foam? Its water logged. Is it recommended to replace it? Also what is the cement blue-green stuff on top on the stringers? Its stock hard and a pain in the as**. This was fun....not.
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The foam was originally there for floatation, sound deafening and adding stiffness to the hull. Some people don’t foam their rebuilds, but I think it’s a big part of the structure of the original hull. The problem is that in the interest of saving cost, Aquasport did nothing to prevent water from getting g to the foam. Once water gets trapped, it has no where to go except into the foam. When you rebuild, you can take steps to seal the foam and plan drainage, so that the foam won’t trap water.
The gray/green stuff is bonding putty, that glued your deck to the stringers. Aquasport was quite generous when they put it into most hulls.
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You are spot on with that. As I ripped the foam out I see that they put drains at the back, then proceeded to pour foam and fill those holes up with foam, so there is literally no place for it to drain. WTH. I just lost soooo much weight with that foam and water logged wood. I have a good mind not to out it back, my only concern was exactly what you said. I want it to be structurally sound. Also I figured that's what the concrete crap was. They were more than generous lol. Thanks for the feedback.
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Cale, can you take a pic or two of the transom from the inside and post them plz? Is that a rebuilt transom or did someone just fill in the transom and mount a bracket at the old notch Reason I ask is that routing your pipes usually depend on how/where you'll come up at the aft and if it's inside a cabinet or behind a wall. I made custom corner cabinets to come up in, TB Mike and mshugg both did different applications for theirs. Spend some time looking at theirs since your transom is enclosed.
BTW, I like that work area - I probably could have paid for something like that with the what I paid for all the tarps I bought over the years.
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I will get you one rick. Work tomorrow then back at it sat. I went shopping today 😖😖. Lots of 1708, resin, nidacore and foam. He just added on to the top of it, it looks like crap. That is part of what I am fixing. The transom appears to be solid when drilled into and tapped around on and when bounced on. So I'm not redoing it completely, just the top half. I plan to bring it up to the top of the boat and flatten it all the way across. I will look around and see what I like for wire exit. I was thinking of glassing a pipe to the bottom of the floor all the way to the back then up and through the transom? I am raising the floor so the pipe should easily clear the tank. It's funny you mention the barn. That was an ultimate budget build barn. Irma tore down my pops metal building so I used the A frames from it and added some wood and tin and call it a barn. All in all I have about 400 bucks in it. It sure beats being in the sun. Also I have a question. I am thinking of adding folding captain chairs to my current leaning post. I may have to cut it down some but that's ok. What yalls thoughts. I posted a link of the seat I am talking about. They are a tad more wide than my leaning post but only by about 6 inches total. So 3 or so to each side. They are priced right.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YMLJJI2/?coliid=I1XDBPD2PJIW2H&colid=3SHEA2D6Z8NSE&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it#immersive-view_1578624481046
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More progress. These pictures show how the transom was before. I was super unhappy with it. I will be putting waxed melamine board on tomorrow and glassing the transom up high then going across to match the boat and have a nice flat surface. The transom and stringers were in great shape (minus all the holes that I will fill in the transom). It feels good to finally be adding to the baot again instead of taking things off. Lol.
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I have a new question. I am raising the stringers with glassed plywood a total of 3 inches. I plan to put a support around the sides of the boat and then tab them from the top side. My issue is the front of the stringers are about 3/4 of an inch higher on each side (the front is higher and suddenly slopes down about 1/2 back on the stringer). I realize this causes the floor to slope down towards the rear once the floor is bonded to it. My question is, does this show to the eyes eith the floor installed? I realize this would help with water drainage. Just curious what everyone else has done? I cant seem to find this question in all of my research.
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I guess i don't understand your description...are you saying the stringer's tops slope down toward the outside of the hull? Remember that the original floors are not flat, they are "crowned" slightly to shed water to the sides and toward the aft.
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I know, it's hard to explain. Basically the back of the stringers are approx 3/4 of an inch lower than the front. Where the old wiring trough was the stringer lowers suddenly (matches on both side). The only thing I can think is they put more material on the back half of the stringers to screw things down to? I will slope it down if that's what needs to be done. I may just be overthinking it, hell I dont know.
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Yup, I'm confused....maybe if you use the terms port side and starboard side to describe the sides of the stringers?
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First picture is port stringer and second in starboard stringer. Do you see how they drop off. (In picture left to right is bow to stern)
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Is the drop off on the stringer aligned with this drop?
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No its actually more towars the bow in that picture. That little drop was a part of the old wiring trough I believe.
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The only thing I can think is they put more material on the back half of the stringers to screw things down to? I will slope it down if that's what needs to be done. I may just be overthinking it, hell I dont know.
On my CCP, there were generous amounts of bonding putty on the stringer tops, and puddles of excess on the hull bottom. Kind of makes sense. The liner/deck molds and hull mold need to mate at the hull deck joint, but building molds to close tolerances would be expensive.. Using the putty to fill gaps is a practical solution.
As a one-off builder, you can do what you want. You can level your stringer tops and add crown to the deck.
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Mshugg. That does make a lot of sense. I know you had said how much was used on yours earlier and mine was just as much. It was inches thick of putty. I appreciate the input. It's good to have the peace of mind.
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No its actually more towars the bow in that picture. That little drop was a part of the old wiring trough I believe.
Are you saying that the entire starboard stringer in the pic is 1/2" lower than a section of the stringer toward the bow?
I see the drop in the port stringer - from the transom, how far forward is this drop. How far on the starboard side.
Just being a detective here. I'm still trying to figure out the 1/2" drop in the aft of the boat.
Did you grind out excessive bonding putty on those 1/2" lower section?
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Thanks Rick. I am stuck in Lauderdale for a few days for work so I wont be able to measure now. The starboard stringer drops lower where the cutout is (for the previous trough). The starboard drops down as in the picture pretty much even with the starboard side. They are about midboat where this happens. I did grind and chip out excessive putty on the parts of the stringers that were lower. (From the stern approx 7-10 feet forward towards the bow (to these sections where it drops down).
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It has been a drought week or so. I had the flu, worked a lot, and have just been busy. I did get some more stuff done though. I added and glassed in the stringer "toppers" to raise the floor a total of 3 inches. I added added the top half of the new transom piece. I still have to finish filling that to make it look good. I also put down a coat of primer on the inside so it looks good when you open the access. I cant stand it to not be finished.
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Slowly coming along. I am almost done glassing in wiring troughs. I will start on the floor next.
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Today I laid out the floor using sheets of this paper board stuff from lowes (I cant remember the name of it, it's like 8 dollars a sheet so it was the cheapest template I could come up with). It worked perfectly and I was able to get the entire floor layed out, fit, and cut by a little after lunch. I included my mad scientist paper. It's only stupid if it doesnt work right. Lol. Next I'll glass the floor in and keep on trucking. So far I have to say. I am a HUGE fan of nidacore. This stuff literally cuts like butter and you can even cut it with a box knife if needed for small areas. Is so easy to carry around and it's just a much more pleasurable experience than plywood!!
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I have a question for you guys. I am thinking about how I am going to glass the top side on my floor panels. Has anyone ever used melamine board waxed and lay the 1708 down on it then the floor piece, add weight to it, let it sit then pop it off, to make it a perfect finish? I would think this could save me some time standing and fairing later. Thanks.
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There is no easy way to overcome the cloth weave of 1708. Are you using poly or epoxy? If poly, you can use the non-skid method I did, you cover the weave easily. If you're going to paint, then you've got fairing in your future.
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I have a question for you guys. I am thinking about how I am going to glass the top side on my floor panels. Has anyone ever used melamine board waxed and lay the 1708 down on it then the floor piece, add weight to it, let it sit then pop it off, to make it a perfect finish? I would think this could save me some time standing and fairing later. Thanks.
Are you thinking about glassing individual panels? Or glassing your entire floor at one time. Either should work. If you’re laminating individual panels and tabbing them in, lots of people fabricate panels and tab together. If you’re making a floor mold and building the entire floor in one step, that’s basically what manufactures do. As long as you have the space to do it, this second method would save quite a bit of time fairing.
In either case, you can save time by gel coating the mold, because you’ll have fewer pin holes to deal with later. One more thing: I now prefer using PVA over wax, for parts that I’ll be laminating to, because the PVA cleans up with water.
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I am using poly. I plan to prime, paint and non skid most of it. I want to do it all in the piece but I think individual piece will be more realistic considering I work alone most of the time. So I would have to glass, sand and fair where I tab them together and on the sides. Just thought using the melamine board as a mold may save me some time from having to sand the middle of the boards when completed. I may lay down some 3/4 on the melamine and then the 1708 then the panels? That may save me some shading as the 3/4 comes out pretty flat vs the 1708 having some grooves.
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I'm interested to see how this turns out. It may be worth a small scale test to see how it works. I have used plastic drop cloths before and poly doesn't seem to stick to it. You could do small test panels a few different ways and see what works best if any.
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If you're talking about 3/4 oz CSM, 1708 has 3/4 oz CSM sewn on one side of the cloth. Just apply it with the cloth side to the melamine.
If you can lay the floor out on a garage floor where it'll be flat, you would be better off to lam it all at once so you don't have to join panels together with tape and go through the hassle of fairing that hump out. The floor will be light enough for you to carry it when done and drop it back into the hull. That's what I did, it was easy.
Have you figured out how you're going to tie the floor into the liner yet? That will take some fairing.
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I may try a couple test piece mike. That's a good idea. And rick I was going to tab it all around with 1708. I know that's going to require quite a bit of sanding and fairing and that's kinda why I was trying to save myself some work with the panels. I know it has 3/4 on the 1708 but I was thinking it may help stability some as well. I am hoping this hardens up with the top layer of glass. I have glassed the bottom on 2 of the panels already and you still cant walk on them. I hope when I glass the top side it makes it solid. Everything I read and the nidacore manufacturer says 1 layer of 1708 top and bottom is what is needed to make it solid
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A clean surface on your core material, clean sheets of fiberglass, clean resin and materials, and a flat floor will give you the best results (in my opinion).
If you sandwich your fiberglass between melamine and your core material, you’ll more than likely have air pockets. If you are to glass it and roll out the bubbles you’ll have a far more superior bond.
A lot of fairing and sanding seems inevitable. Choose the method you prefer and are comfortable with :great02:
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I would say that is a fair opinion Capt Joe. That's what I planned on all along. I just had the new thought yesterday while piddling. I am going to think about it and try to decide.
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Did you glass the floor yet? I got bored a did a small scale test with the melamine like you mentioned and it turned out pretty good. I made a new thread in the fiberglass channel to not hijack yours if you are interested.
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I ended up doing it the more traditional way. I am going to hate myself later when sanding and fairing. I guess I chickened out last minute. Glad to hear it works good. I couldn't see why it wouldn't as long as you saturate the glass good. I would probably try that next time (hope there isnt a next time with any boat ever LOL
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You won't be the last person to sand and fair. I'm trying to talk a friend into redoing his 200 which is another reason I did the test. Hopefully it works as well when we scale it up
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Let me know how it works out. I will definitely do that next time. I set the 1 piece floor in today to do some final fitting. I still have to touch some things up, fiberglass more and adjust it a little. Of course I had to set the new console in and see how it looks. I still have to do some final below the deck things ( mount livewell pump, new wash down pump, bilge, ect) before I bond it permanently. It feels good to see a deck again.
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Looking good! Where'd you get your console?
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Thanks!! I bought it from a small time guy in miami. It's called Fast Marine Products. Alex is his name. Nice guy. It was the closest to what I wanted.
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So far i have 2 things that i have absolutely hated doing. The foam was a nightmare, mainly because it was soaked and heavy. Second, was this damn 30 year old pinstriping. Whoever thought it was a good idea was wrong. So glad that is off. 😂
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I am getting dangerously close to being able to glue the floor in. Today I was able to get all of the under deck pumps mounted and ready. I also put 40 gal of rec gas, that i had drained out, back into the new tank. Now i have to cut out some hatch access doors and then glue the floor down. I foamed the other day. I did leave the back couple of inches without foam and made sure the pipes in the stringers would always be able to drain. (They were filled with foam before). I did some final fitment of the deck and sanded the edges down to prep for tabbing it in around the outside. I have a week off at the end of the this coming week so I hope to get a lot done. This project seems to be on schedule for a summertime finish. We will see if it stay that way.
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Nice progress.
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Thanks rick. I was able to get some helpers today to glue the floor down. Dont mind my ghetto rods to hold it down. I work the next few but will be game on tabbing and then sanding and fairing my life away.
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Nice! That's a good milestone
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Thanks guys. I plan to paint with awlcraft 2000 ice blue sides and awlcraft 2000 snow white for top side and hull inside. In the end I'll accent the floor with grey non skid. Does this sound appropriate? I will follow awlgrips recommendations for thinning and reducing. I will obviously be spraying it.
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I was able to tab it in today. I included some pics of how I decided to do the scupper holes. Basically each trough is 6 inches wide. The rear middle will have a box built around it so the wires are covered. They will exit through the middle of the transom to the engine. Happy so far. Does anyone happen to want to sand and fair? I'll provide the beer. 😂👍
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Looking good Cale - like the scupper designs :thumleft: I'll pass on the fairing - good way to Social Distance though :wink:
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Thanks rick. I have been busy. This social isolation feels like nothing has changed. I guess I am a loner. Lol. I was able to get the brass plugs in, I started fairing (found a couple bubbles that I ground out and patched) and starting building the back if the transom to my liking. The pics dont really look that good but I an very happy with how it's coming out. I will glass the other piece in tomorrow. I am also going to cut my leaning post down some. I ordered some flip up bolster seats to mount on top. This was so I could retain my livewell leaning post and have seats with flip up bolsters.
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Looking good. No crown in the transom cap?
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It has a very suttle crown. I have never really been a fan of the huge transom crowns. I know they are popular but I just never caught on. I pulled the boat around and put the ttop, console, and leaning post in to give myself some motivation to keep trucking. I did some glassing and fairing today, then to take a break I sanded down one side on the outside. I forgot how satisfying that can be to see it come out so smooth. Lol. More work tomorrow but I am clocking out for the day.
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Today was spent sanding, literally all day. I got the boat sanded down inside and out. I got some supports built for the transom cap and the box built that will cover the wires by the transom coming out of the floor.. I still have to do some glassing around the transom in the inside and my box I built today. I did more fairing on the floor. I didnt include a pic today but I also cut down the leaning post approx 3.5 inches to accommodate the seats that are coming. I probably wont get to work on it for a few days. Yall have a nice week!
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200324_190826.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19966&title=20200324-190826&cat=500)
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I had a random 2 days off in between working the weekend. Fairing and sanding will be the death of me. I have the deck about 90 percent faired but still have to finish the very back and transom and touch up some areas. I included a pic of what my seats will look like on the leaning post next to the console.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200329_120406.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19976&title=20200329-120406&cat=500)
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Any progress is still progress - hang in there :thumleft:
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(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200407_182543.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20028&title=20200407-182543&cat=500)
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Well, life has involved a lot of sanding lately. I cant say that I like it anymore than the last time I sanded. I was able to score a used bench seat for the back that fits perfectly and will fold down when not in use. I set the console and leaning post in to see what kind of legroom I would have and I am very happy with it. It looks like the boat will now go on the back burner for a little while. I am a critical care/flight nurse (murse) and I have just taken a 3 week 21 days straight contract in NYC. So I look forward to finishing the boat up when i get back. I leave out monday. I will try and keep up with others on here while i am gone.
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Be safe :salut:
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Good on you. :salut: :salut: :salut:
Yes, stay safe.
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Hey guys. IM BACK FINALLY. Lol. I ended up spending about 7-8 weeks in nyc and then worked a couple more in tampa. I have been home for a week or so. I ended up taking the boat to a guy for paint before I left. He normally does cars, it's not perfect by any means and there are a few areas I'm gonna have to fix...ect. I want to do more work to the transom. But I'll get there eventually. When i got back i decided to sell the 140 zuke and re power with newer. I think I have settled on a 175 zuke. I know it's a little bit much power wise and weight wise but I have weighed out my options and I found a great deal on a used one. If I dont get it I'll probably get a new 140 as I was happy with the old one. Either way I moved the tank forward and raised the scuppers so I should be good. I have attached some pictures. I cant wait to get back to work on this thing!
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200629_183917.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20385&title=20200629-183917&cat=500)
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200629_200114.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20387&title=20200629-200114&cat=500)
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Looking good!
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Sure is looking GOOD! love how the rear fold down seat fits perfectly. way to make it happen!
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Welcome back Cale. :salut:
Lookin' good. :thumright:
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Welcome back. The boat's looking great
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Thanks for the nice comments guys. I appreciate it. I went and bought the 175 suzuki the other day. It has high hrs as it was a captain's motor but its clean as can be and everything checked out. I have also done a few things to the boat. I put the rub rail on (10/10 reccomend the taco semi-rigid rub rail with the rubber insert that looks like stainess) and I mounted my seats on the starboard. I hinged the starboard so I can flip the seats up and access the livewell that's in the leaning post while fishing. It came together pretty slick and the seats are comfy. Tomorrow I pick up my ttop, bracket, and other random parts from paint. I decided to get them done all white. Here's a photo dump to keep up progress. Happy 4th weekend guys!
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200702_185648.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20401&title=20200702-185648&cat=500)
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200702_190307.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20408&title=20200702-190307&cat=500)
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(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200702_185007.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20405&title=20200702-185007&cat=500)
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That rub rail looks great!
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Agreed! Looks like the same one I went with. Not cheap but really makes a difference.
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Thanks. Yes mike I love the rub rail, did not love the price. This thing is getting too deep in my pockets. Got the ttop and other things back today and put the canvas on. OMG. The paint job is top of the line. This is by far my favorite thing so far. It came out sharp!! So happy with the results. I'll be hanging the bracket shortly I hope.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200703_110618.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20409&title=20200703-110618&cat=500)
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Looks real nice.
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I was able to get the bracket mounted and sealed today. And I decided it was a good idea to go ahead and mount the engine. Lots of work left to do and it's far from perfect but it's nice to see it coming together. Have a great week everyone!!
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200705_145603.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20416&title=20200705-145603&cat=500)
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200705_152727.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20417&title=20200705-152727&cat=500)
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:thumleft:
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The classic banana boat. :great02:
Love the bracket/platform.
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Oh yeah. They definitely have a banana look 😂. I touched up the inside some, but still have some work to do at the back of the inside of the transom. But it's getting closer. I had a huge milestone today, I splashed it for the first time since starting the rebuild. I am super happy with the way it floated. Obviously I still need to put the console and ttop on but I think it will help it more than hurt it. This is also with a full tank of fuel (55 gal). But the scuppers were high and dry and never let any water in. Probably going to mount the console and leaning post next and then paint non skid.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200707_173113.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20426&title=20200707-173113&cat=500)
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Looking good.
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Sweet! Zoomed in on your last pic and looks like you have 2 inches from scupper to waterline. That’s awesome. Hope mine turns out the same. :01_37:
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I tried to find your build post but couldnt fish head. Thanks guys. I actually think it's even more than that, it's hard to tell in pictures. I get in the water one day and measure it when I get it all done. I am off to miami for more covid work. At least 2 weeks, so here's my last pic for a few weeks. Today I mounted the side boards and put the console and leaning post in. I cut out spots for my insert and door on my console. When I get back I will secure those and paint some non skid. See ya in a couple weeks!!
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200708_124155.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20430&title=20200708-124155&cat=500)
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Your AS looks great and I appreciate all of the pictures in your post's. I apologize if you already said this but, can you give me the dimensions on your bracket? Width, set back and height from top of platform to bottom of bracket where it attaches to the boat. I looking at purchasing one for my 19-6 and just wanted to make sure it would fit. Lastly how far forward did you move your gas tank to off set the weight of the new motor? Thanks in advance.
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I will pull some measurements when I get back jeff. Thanks for the comments. If I remember right it's about a 27 inch setback (somewhere close). I will get measurements when I am back home in a couple weeks. I can tell you I love the bracket. It really makes the boat feel a little bigger. Its handy when having a beach day or even to sit or stand on while fishing. I dont know the exact measurement but I moved the tank forward right at 1 foot. I went as far forward as possible while still leaving some room for life jacket storage ect just in front of the tank.
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Nice job on the rebuild! Like to see the 19’6” getting some love. Enjoy it.
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Thanks blue. I think your build is one of the originals everyone refers to. I am ready to be on the water!!
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Hey guys. I got a couple days off work so I was able to mount the console and leaning post. I plumbed in the livwell portion of the leaning post as well. Here are a couple pics. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be in Miami but I'll be full throttle trying to finish this thing up when I get back. I am thinking about adding a second axle to the trailer as well. The single axle is maxed out and doesn't love the weight (its brand new as well, just replaced 6 mon ago). I would feel better with long hauls. Non skid and wiring is on deck. Will post as I do it.
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200803_161710.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20533&title=20200803-161710&cat=500)
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Youve done a really nice job. Nice to see it almost done.
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Beautiful! I know you will feel better with a 2nd axle - if you are over 3000-3500 lbs I would agree on a 2nd plus brakes.
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looks awesome!
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Thanks fellas. Yeah I haven't weighed it Rick, but its gotta be close full of fuel. Anyone have recommendations for someone to make a windshield. I may give it a shot myself, but would prefer it to look professional.
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https://www.updplastics.com/windshield-manufacturers/aqua-sport-boat-windshields-osprey-models/
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Hey guys!! Long time no talk. Hope everyone has been good. I was in miami for longer than expected. I have only been back a week or so. I've been super busy so I haven't had a chance to do much. I did do some things though. My whole goal with this boat was to make ot comfortable, simple and useful. I opted for a simple clean console with a simple clean layout. I have a helix 7, a USB charger port, tach, fuel gauge, switch panel, a fusion radio and thats about it. I laid it out on paper then cut it all out. It turned out great and im happy with it. I also wired up my ttop (what a pain in the a$$). It has a vhf, 1 adjustable rear spreader light and the anchor light. It has an extra switch in case I ever wanted to add something else. I also attached how the bracket and steering lines will look going into it. Its not hard mounted yet but i will do that last to make sure I dont have to pull it up again. Have a great weekend. I hope to make progress in the next few weeks. Wiring is on board.
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20200919_103636.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20915&title=20200919-103636&cat=500)
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Wiring has kicked off. Steering is hooked up. I have all the tubes, wires, and other crap from the back up to the front. All pumps in the back are wired. Gotta do all the under console stuff now. Here are a few messy wiring fun pics. Its all labeled so its really not a mess but it sure looks it. Have a great weekend. Will post more as I go!!
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20201001_084118.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20975&title=20201001-084118&cat=500)
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Nothing a handful of zip ties can't fix. Looking good 👍
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No doubt buddy. I told my pops the other day my favorote part of wiring is when you finish and you get to zip tie it all together into a neat harness. It's weirdly satisfying. Also when you flip the battery switch and everything works. 🤣
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Looks awesome!
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Thanks man!!
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Wiring is almost done. I have a couple small things to finish up. I Had to order new nav lights and one new trim tab actuator. Ill finish those up when they arrive. Also my radio didn't work so I have to trouble shoot that. Still have some mounting of things and then ttop is on. Getting very close now. I actually fired up the engine for just a sec today. That was a great feeling. Life is busy so it may be a few weeks but I'm really close with this thing. I know these pics are similar to old ones but I cleaned it up today and had to take a couple to post. Almost there!!
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20201004_165931.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20978&title=20201004-165931&cat=500)
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Looks really nice - great outcome!!
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Thank you Rick. I appreciate the support along the way from you and everyone else. I won't win any awards with the boat. However,, I am over the moon excited about it. It turned out awesome. The wiring is mostly done. Not as neat as I would like but I'm not a professional. I have to finish up the radio because mine took a crap so thats still hanging. Still have to screw the ttop down, service the engine, build a bracket for the back seat and some other random things. I hope to have it in the water later this week for a shake down. Here's a photo dump. I ran out of daylight as I was finishing things up so the pics aren't that great. Happy Tuesday!!
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20201006_113030.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21003&title=20201006-113030&cat=500)
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Came out sweet. :great02:
Congrats!
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Almost there! Looking forward to hearing how she runs.
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Nice looking rig.
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Sweet...well done! Helm chairs look spine protecting & super comfy.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate it!! I did a tune up on the engine yesterday. I still have some things to tweak until it's perfect. But I did get to splash it for the first time!! I was super happy with the results. I only topped it out for a few seconds but I was seeing top speed of 48 with me and a full tank of gas. I have to adjust the tach (didnt have a wire plugged up) to get cruising numbers. The engine is super quiet. My old 140 was really quiet but I was blown away with this one. It is literally silent back there. That will be nice on the cruise days and long trips. I included a pic of the spark plugs. Its funny I think the guy before me got every single cent out of these spark plugs. Never seen them quite this worn down. Lol.
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20201008_131237.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21028&title=20201008-131237&cat=500)
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20201008_185026.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21029&title=20201008-185026&cat=500)
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That's awesome, glad to see her running well!
I'm gonna throw a vote out there for a digital gauge too. Or just run it through your helix. I love mine and didn't even bother hooking up the sending unit since it has the fuel usage numbers.
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Run it through the helix? I am interested to know more mike. I know nothing about this. Also is the digital gauge really $500?? I would love to go that route but damnit man.
I took it out for about an hr today for a run. Very happy with the performance numbers. With a full tank and 2 people top end is around 46-48 at 6200 rpms. I think I'll get a slightly bigger prop down the line. Cruise at 4k rpms is around 25-28 depending on wind. Jumps up good. The rear end is a little heavy and the supper balls have to work if you walk to the back of the boat. Good all other times. I can handle that. Heres the first run water pic.
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20201009_180907.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21031&title=20201009-180907&cat=500)
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Run it through the helix? I am interested to know more mike. I know nothing about this. Also is the digital gauge really $500?? I would love to go that route but damnit man.
Yeah, the digital gauge is about $500 plus you would need the rest of the NEMA gear and engine adapter which will run a few hundred more. I've read that you can keep your analog gauge and still connect to a NEMA network but I never read too much into it since I already had the C-10 gauge. That could be a cool option for you to save some cash.
Here's a pic of my setup. It's nice to have but of course not necessary to get out on the water.
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20191204_141241.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19513&title=20191204-141241&cat=500)
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I really appreciate the info. I did a ton of research on it. I'm not sure how I'd never heard of it. I may do that down the line. It sounds like a sweet setup. You have a clean console!!
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I created a quick little side by side comparison collage. Maybe this will motivate someone down the line. Have a great week!
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20201011_205000.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21033&title=20201011-205000&cat=500)
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I have a hydraulic steering question. I bought my motor with a used sea star setup. I have been bleeding this system multiple times over multiple days and I am 100 percent sure all the air is out. It has had 0 bubbles for 20+ min turning each way. (I hooked a long line up to my main canister by the helm and turned it for a long time, then switched to the other side). The problem I am having is when I go to turn the wheel to the right, if I turn it fast it turns like it should. If I turn it slow the wheel will turn 5 or 6 turns before it grabs and actually starts turning the motor. When i turn to the left it functions as it should. Is this a seal problem? Do I need to look into rebuilding the helm and or ram? This is my first hydraulic sterring setup so I am stumped. I can assure you it is not air, but anything else I'm not sure?
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If it was the donut seal in the steering ram at the engine I think you'd have issues regardless of which way you're turning the wheel. Sounds more like the helm needs a rebuild, theres several pistons that get moved when you're turning the wheel if they start to stick, or if the internal pieces are worn out & not pushing on the pistons like they should you'll get the results you're describing. Dirty fluid, corrosion from air exposure will do it.
might want to take the steering arm off the engine & manually move the engine left & right, make sure it's not binding when turning to the right. If the donut seal in the ram is just starting to go then maybe it would give problems turning one way but not the other?
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Thank you for the reply. I went ahead and called sea star and a local rebuild place. I was told to flush it with dex3 atf and see if it fixed it. It did not. So I took the helm off and took out the chang over valve that makes it turn right vs left. It looked OK and sounds OK when you turn. But sea star assured me the helm was the problem. So I am gonna do get me a re manufacturered one next week sometime. Its aggrivating but one of those boat things right. Lol. I think you were right on it.
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How does she run with that 140 on the bracket.? Mph at WOT and cruise?
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Dano, the headline is misleading now as i have repowered with a 175. It ran pretty good with the 140. I wasn't propped just right but top end I was 38 mph at 6200 rpms. And cruise was around 28 mph at 5k rpms if i remember correctly. I was happy with it but wanted some more over all speed. So I put the 175 on. I'm still playing with props but I've seen as high at 48 with the 175 with the cruise around 28-30 at 4k rpms.
I'm still doing little things to the boat and I have only taken it out a couple times since finishing the major stuff. Heres a pic I took today while testing props.
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20201115_124407.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21227&title=20201115-124407&cat=500)
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How much of the foam did u use to refoam your boat?
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Honestly I do not quite remember. I think it was 3 or 4 gallons split between each side. That is what comes to mind. It's been almost 4 years and the boat is doing great.
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Thanx for a quick response. I'm a out to tear into mines and u gave a good look of the structure inside. I may redo mines with wooden stringers. Would it be hard to lift the complete top off?