Classic AquaSport
Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Center Console Professional (CCP) Rebuilds => 246/250 CCP Rebuilds => Topic started by: jdupree on February 03, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
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Here is my new toy. I could not resist so I picked her up. She is very dirty and looks like a crime scene, but this is a very solid boat. The deck is 95% solid with only two small areas to address. I was under the assumption that the deck would need to be cut out, but to my surprise that is not the case.
The previous owner was going to remove the cap. The rub rail is off along with the cap screws. It will not be necessary to remove the cap so I plan to buckle her back together.
I plan to replace the transom because of her age, but I honestly think based on what I have seen you could strap a motor to her and go. I am sure it is damp but not rotten.
I think this will be a "sooner than later" project. I will post additional pictures once I get her cleaned up.
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We've had a few new members with CCPs in the past week or so, so they'll be checking her out and hopefully commenting.
Doesn't look too bad though.
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Congrats John!
As you are aware I came very close to purchasing that boat. Look forward to seeing you getting her back in the water.
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Awesome JD!
You'll love the way she performs. Will keep an eye out for some 2 stroke Yammie power :salut2:
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Thanks guys. Nando, this 246 is in better shape than I thought it was. Glad you passed on it :thumright:
Maybe I should be inducted in the CCP hall of fame. I have to be one of the only members to have owned all three models of the CCP. My Tahitian Tan 200 CCP, my current 222 CCP, and now the 246 CCP :rolleyes:
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Congratulations! I can't wait to see what you do to it!
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Ok, getting ready to screw the cap back down. The original screws to the cap are long gone. I basically know what size to get but one question. Are the screws for the rub rail basically the same ones that were used to secure the cap?? Reason being is there are plenty of screws left in the old rub rail that look fine.
Last question. I assume the screws holes that are lower with the indention of the head are the cap screws and the ones above are for the rub rail?
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I assume the screws holes that are lower with the indention of the head are the cap screws and the ones above are for the rub rail?
JD,
You would think so since the cap goes on first.
Screws are all over the place on this one too.
http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data//500/IMG_1809.JPG
Doesn't look like you'll need many anyway with all that extra "resin" oozing out. :mrgreen:
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Based on the bazillion holes that are in my cap lip I think they put a screw every 6" on the cap and then maybe that often again when they screw the rubrail on.
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Ok, I have made a little progress. I have removed 10 years of pine straw, leaves, trash, etc., from the inside. I still have not washed her yet but getting there.
Garry (gman) was in town so he gave me a hand with a couple of things. The tank coffin was actually cut away from the liner so we removed it as well as the tank. This turned out to be a good thing because now I have much more access to everything with the tank coffin out of the boat. Not sure how I will mount the tank yet, but I don't plan to install the tank coffin back in.
Now the tank. It is a 120 gallon tank. It was made by Florida Marine Tanks. I can't make the date out on it. The tank is in great condition. It looks to good to be the original but who knows. It does have two places that have pitted pretty bad near the filler neck that are about as big as the fingernail on my pinky. The rest of the tank looks great with no pitting. Not sure how I will handle the tank yet. I know most will say replace but I am not sure on that based on the condition.
Here are some pictures.
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Fla. Marine made both (originals) my CCP and WAC. I'll bet yours is original too. Mounted correctly and kept dry, an aluminum tank can last for a long time. Clean it good and maybe a pressure test. You may get another ten years out of it.
A lot of teak. It's going to look really nice.
Good luck. :thumright:
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Ok, just a little progress. Got the outside hull cleaned up. It had 10 years of "growth" attached to the hull. I was pleasantly surprised at how well the gelcoat looks. The bottom still has a nice shine to it. Looks like the rest of the hull should buff out nicely.
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Looks great JD. Nice platform to start with.
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I agree! Good looking boat - should make the rebuild that much easier!
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That's a lot of hull to polish JD. :mrgreen:
Does the electric winch work?
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Ok, I need to tackle the fuel lines. It appears on the CCP's that the fuel and vent hoses run down the gunnel and connect to aluminum fittings. I don't want to cut out the deck to find where they connect. I was thinking about cutting a hatch out of the gunnel down near the deck. Thoughts?
Here are where the hoses connect and go to the coffin. The big question is where does the other end stop??
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Here is where I was thinking on cutting out. Hopefully you can see the outline.
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Haven't seen the fittings before (not on my 84). I found the fill and vent hoses encased in the foam pour under the deck.
Good luck.
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Ok, guys I need some input. As you can see in my picture, the area of the deck in red is pretty bad off. You won't fall through it by any means but feels like a trampoline. I hate to cut it out since the rest of the deck is rock solid and dry. I planned to do the epoxy injection, but as you can see I can access the whole area from underneath. Any ideas or suggestions for supporting it underneath? Maybe glass in some 1/2" plywood underneath and butt it up to the stringers? I can get a picture from underneath if needed.
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JD,
Well I'm not the glass guy for sure but.....
I have been in that same position with my 222. We know that the trampoline is a two part problem made up of the weakening core material and the bridging of that canyon between the stringers so.....
If it were me, I would definitely try and add additional support between the stringers or...
Cut in a hatch and create additional storage forward if you don't reinstall the coffin box.
Good luck. :thumright:
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Hi JD, Man that is a big dance floor :c029:
Is the balsa rotten under that area? If you can drag a crowbar across the balsa and it crumbles or the glass is flaky under the balsa I think I would try to remove it, cutting back to a solid portion with a skill saw set to an 1/8" and then a little deeper as you remove the rotten area. Then if it was me I would grind the underside to clean it up and lay in a layer of glass (use epoxy). Measure resin coat and glass a piece of core of your choice. Measure and resin coat / glass some cross members - 3 should do for sure and then glass them to the stringers and the underside. She ain't going anywhere now, for rest of your life anyway.
Like CB recommended, if you need more storage, now is the time to plan and execute.
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Hi JD, Man that is a big dance floor :c029:
Is the balsa rotten under that area? If you can drag a crowbar across the balsa and it crumbles or the glass is flaky under the balsa I think I would try to remove it, cutting back to a solid portion with a skill saw set to an 1/8" and then a little deeper as you remove the rotten area. Then if it was me I would grind the underside to clean it up and lay in a layer of glass (use epoxy). Measure resin coat and glass a piece of core of your choice. Measure and resin coat / glass some cross members - 3 should do for sure and then glass them to the stringers and the underside. She ain't going anywhere now, for rest of your life anyway.
Like CB recommended, if you need more storage, now is the time to plan and execute.
Excuse my ignorance, but does balsa mean the core? The bottom layer of glass appears to be fine. Basically the core is wet and I have dug out as much as I can through the round inspection hole. There just appears to be a big void between the layers of glass where the wood was.
I plan to install the coffin box out of my 222 in the 246. I doubt that I will add any storage underneath. I still plan to do the epoxy deck injection anyway since I will be painting the deck and will never see the holes.
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Oh, sorry John, the coring is end grain balsa.
I think I would crawl under there and cut out the rotten core (just until you find good core) and recore it from the bottom. Not sure how much is springy from rotten core.
Find a small saw like this http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=skill+saw
or this https://www.rockwelltools.com/en-US/Compact-Circular-Saw.aspx
Something small that you can use while under there.
Once you get the bad core out, scruff up the underside of the fiberglass. I think if you beef the underside glass up with some 3/4 oz mat, a little at a time it'll stay up there until it kicks (for speed you could use poly). I would then soak the new core in resin (you could cut kerfs into the core or maybe drill holes to get the resin into the core), maybe a couple coats with a sanding in between especially on the side that is going to be pressed up against the glass skin. Then glue the new core to the bottom of the new skin (you can trowel thickened resin onto the new skin and press the new core into the glue) and then wedge it into the glue with upright boards and when it kicks you're done. I don't think I would try to glass it in. The decking on my 170 looked brand new when I pulled it up to do the rebuild (the portion that was bad didn't) and it had just been resin coated.
And don't forget the cross members.
You'll be happier with the end result if you replace the core - sounds like a lot of work but it'll go fast.
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Thanks for all the good information Rick :thumright:
I am going to replace the core, but it was suggested to me to cut out the top skin and remove the core that way. That will be much easier on my body!! I plan to paint the deck anyway, so once I lay the top skin back down all I would have to glass is where the cut line was. I guess basically just like re-coring a hatch over the fuel tank, but coming in from the top instead.
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That'll work and be easier on you. I figured it would save your original glass this way.
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Ok, cut the top skin off of the deck area in question. As I expected, saturated with water and half of the core gone. Anyway I kept cutting until I got to a dry section in all directions which I did. Much better than I expected. The area I have cut is what I need to address. Rest of the deck is rock hard with no flexing. I still need to remove the rotten wood from the bottom skin.
As you can see from the wood attached to the top skin, Aquasport used scrap pieces for the deck :rolleyes: We have all seen this :rolleyes:
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