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General Aquasport Forums => Aquasport Discussion => Topic started by: joesmomjen on April 08, 2014, 10:43:44 AM
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Found a 1981 that owner says is a 23 ft center console. I see on this site boats listed as 1981 "CCP's" in this range. Did Aquasport produce anything other than the CCp in this range? Was there a non-professional model?
Trying to get the hull number from owner
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn93/jealkon/1981Aquasport_zpsc4dff5bf.jpg) (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/jealkon/media/1981Aquasport_zpsc4dff5bf.jpg.html)
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Hi Jen and welcome aboard.
You may have already found this area of the Photo Gallery - this is a '80 brochure http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery ... 80&cat=572 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2845&title=as-all-models-brochure7-1980&cat=572)
Hunt around in the gallery under "All Models".
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HIN will answer a few questions.
A designated 23' hull is not real common in the Aqua line. Several models (EX and Ospreys) existed in the early 90s when Genmar began production but in the 80s your looking at either a CCP or an Osprey for a center console. Those were 170,196,200, 222, & 246.
They may have had "special order hulls" but 230 doesn't ring a bell. Then again, boat length is often "created" by the owner. My 222 had a 26" bracket on back so I might like to think of it as a 244. :roll:
EDIT: Now I see a pic.
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HIN will answer a few questions.
A designated 23' hull is not real common in the Aqua line. Several models (EX and Ospreys) existed in the early 90s when Genmar began production but in the 80s your looking at either a CCP or an Osprey for a center console. Those were 170,196,200, 222, & 246.
They may have had "special order hulls" but 230 doesn't ring a bell. Then again, boat length is often "created" by the owner. My 222 had a 26" bracket on back so I might like to think of it as a 244. :roll:
EDIT: Now I see a pic.
If I have a boat and the manufacturer decided it was "X" feet long...then that's how I'm going to refer to it. But you're right, not everyone sees fit to use that convention.
Kind of a pet-peeve. See craigslist ads all of the time where the title is "27ft center console" and its a 22' boat.
That said...the picture isn't a 22CCP?
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Looks like a CCP to me. Most CCPs have leaning posts, but that doesn't mean A) the LP was an option and ped seats were standard, or B) the boat originally had an LP and some PO switched over to peds...
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Looks like a CCP to me. Most CCPs have leaning posts, but that doesn't mean A) the LP was an option and ped seats were standard, or B) the boat originally had an LP and some PO switched over to peds...
From the pictures I've seen, it looks like a CCP to me well, but the seats were what threw me off. That's why I figured I'd put it out to you experts. But, looking through some of the old brochures on this site, the 222 CCP I've seen had two seats and the leaning post must have been an option.
Either way, I like the look of the boat
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Looks like a CCP to me. Most CCPs have leaning posts, but that doesn't mean A) the LP was an option and ped seats were standard, or B) the boat originally had an LP and some PO switched over to peds...
From the pictures I've seen, it looks like a CCP to me well, but the seats were what threw me off. That's why I figured I'd put it out to you experts. But, looking through some of the old brochures on this site, the 222 CCP I've seen had two seats and the leaning post must have been an option.
Either way, I like the look of the boat
The twin peds were standard. Had them on my 84. All leaning posts I've seen were aftermarket but that didn't mean Aqua might accommodate someone.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data//500/2156DSC01671.JPG) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3139&title=standard-222-deck&cat=500)
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Frankly (hey, who asked Frank?), I like ped seats over leaning posts, unless they are the type that have a fold down/up seat...like the ones on the late 90's/early '00s TM Ospreys.
The key is to have the right pedestal. Big time height adjustable with a footrest attached that travels up and down with height adjustment. Ped seats have to be high enough to actually see over the console...
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Wasn't there a 230 CCP or Osprey in the early 90's?
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Yes, there was a 230 EX (Rick K has one) and a 230 Osprey (same hull, different cap) but no CCP that I know of. We know they were built in 91, 92 and 93 (I say 93 because the 94s look identical except for the decals and addition of the euro transom). 90 models are elusive because we have seen hints of both the 91-93 models and some completely different ones sporting enclosed transoms, totally different cabins (EX models) and full brackets ( I'm not including the 250 EX with Delta Conic hull).
SB, I enjoyed my peds in the 84 because you could swing them aft and rest your feet on the transom wave door while trolling.
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The boat pictured is a pre-1981 22-2CCP. The console changed in the 1981 model year, and this one has the old style console. The boat may be a late 1980 production that was sold in 1981. They all had 2 ped seats as original equipment. Many of us took the ped seats out and replaced them, but some folks like them and keep them. Should have the 3-hatch coffin in the front, with 2 long hatches and a smaller hatch/cooler in the front of the coffin.
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The hull # is ASPA0362M81A
It is an 81 boat.
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Cap'n John and Joe most likely are both right. Model year change over is typically in July. Anything built after July will have the next years HIN. So a boat built in, for instance Sept. of '80 would have an '81 HIN...
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Thanks for all the info. The boat does have the 3-hatch coffin in the front, with 2 long hatches and a smaller hatch/cooler in the front of the coffin. On either side of the small hatch cooler and directly in front of it, the floor appears soft/springy. Is this normal? Wondering if it's due to their not being any support directly in this space. The rest of the floor appear solid.
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Springy...is not normal. No trampolines on board boats... :shock:
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Thanks for all the info. The boat does have the 3-hatch coffin in the front, with 2 long hatches and a smaller hatch/cooler in the front of the coffin. On either side of the small hatch cooler and directly in front of it, the floor appears soft/springy. Is this normal? Wondering if it's due to their not being any support directly in this space. The rest of the floor appear solid.
Does that model have a deck hatch forward of the coffin between it and the anchor hold?
You are correct in that area having little support. The stringers are widely spaced and there isn't a bulkhead there. The deck can get a little "springy" with age due to the limited support but it also can suffer from core rot due to improper (or just old ) fasteners. The models with the deck hatch are noted for this. If it doesn't have the deck hatch, tap on the deck between the coffin and anchor hold and listen for the dreaded "dull" thud.
I had my 84 for 15 years and it was bouncy forward of the coffin but I never fell through. There is no support there save the deck itself. Besides, the deck can gain extra life with a simple but effective fix.
Good luck.
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Thanks for all the info. The boat does have the 3-hatch coffin in the front, with 2 long hatches and a smaller hatch/cooler in the front of the coffin. On either side of the small hatch cooler and directly in front of it, the floor appears soft/springy. Is this normal? Wondering if it's due to their not being any support directly in this space. The rest of the floor appear solid.
Does that model have a deck hatch forward of the coffin between it and the anchor hold?
You are correct in that area having little support. The stringers are widely spaced and there isn't a bulkhead there. The deck can get a little "springy" with age due to the limited support but it also can suffer from core rot due to improper (or just old ) fasteners. The models with the deck hatch are noted for this. If it doesn't have the deck hatch, tap on the deck between the coffin and anchor hold and listen for the dreaded "dull" thud.
I had my 84 for 15 years and it was bouncy forward of the coffin but I never fell through. There is no support there save the deck itself. Besides, the deck can gain extra life with a simple but effective fix.
Good luck.
It does have the deck hatch there. When you say "the deck can gain extra life with a simple but effective fix", what needs to be done. Also, the fuel lines were replaced but the gas tank was not. Would it be safe to say I may be looking at having to replace the tank shortly? Looks like I would have to take the console out to be able to lift the cover over the tank.
I really appreciate everyone's input and I really like the boat. I just don't want to be getting into something I'm not equipped to handle
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It does have the deck hatch there. When you say "the deck can gain extra life with a simple but effective fix", what needs to be done. Also, the fuel lines were replaced but the gas tank was not. Would it be safe to say I may be looking at having to replace the tank shortly? Looks like I would have to take the console out to be able to lift the cover over the tank.
I really appreciate everyone's input and I really like the boat. I just don't want to be getting into something I'm not equipped to handle
First, I'll need to do a search but we have a pretty detailed method of this repair. Here's a start.
http://classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/view ... 75#p105775 (http://classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=105775#p105775)
Next, if it's the original tank, then yes it has seen it's better days but.... You really don't know till you look. Pop the deck plates over the tank hatch and smell. That's one sure sign but I'd price the replacement of the tank in your offer for the boat. I'd allow a $1000 for the tank. You may also need to do hatch repair so you need to figure what your time is worth plus needed repair supplies. No one here has ever done an actual CCP tank replacement but...... We've all seen a guy do one once so....... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
You will need to undo the coffin box and the console. Slide the box forward and the console a little. You must detach the pedestal seats also. A couple of 2" x 4"s will help raise the console high enough to remove the hatch since you don't want to take all the wiring and control cables off. You should have enough slack to do this and have room to remove the tank. A friend helps with this. At least it did with the guy I saw. :mrgreen:
Plenty of threads on every model CCP with lots of pics. Very doable but yes.....$$$.
We can help......... figuratively.
Good luck. :thumleft:
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It does have the deck hatch there. When you say "the deck can gain extra life with a simple but effective fix", what needs to be done. Also, the fuel lines were replaced but the gas tank was not. Would it be safe to say I may be looking at having to replace the tank shortly? Looks like I would have to take the console out to be able to lift the cover over the tank.
I really appreciate everyone's input and I really like the boat. I just don't want to be getting into something I'm not equipped to handle
First, I'll need to do a search but we have a pretty detailed method of this repair. Here's a start.
http://classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/view ... 75#p105775 (http://classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=105775#p105775)
Next, if it's the original tank, then yes it has seen it's better days but.... You really don't know till you look. Pop the deck plates over the tank hatch and smell. That's one sure sign but I'd price the replacement of the tank in your offer for the boat. I'd allow a $1000 for the tank. You may also need to do hatch repair so you need to figure what your time is worth plus needed repair supplies. No one here has ever done an actual CCP tank replacement but...... We've all seen a guy do one once so....... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
You will need to undo the coffin box and the console. Slide the box forward and the console a little. You must detach the pedestal seats also. A couple of 2" x 4"s will help raise the console high enough to remove the hatch since you don't want to take all the wiring and control cables off. You should have enough slack to do this and have room to remove the tank. A friend helps with this. At least it did with the guy I saw. :mrgreen:
Plenty of threads on every model CCP with lots of pics. Very doable but yes.....$$$.
We can help......... figuratively.
Good luck. :thumleft:
Thanks Capt Bob - I did find some information about fixing the deck right after I replied earlier. This may be getting into more that I want to, both in time and money. But, once done, the boat may last another 20 years :cheers:
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This may be getting into more that I want to, both in time and money. But, once done, the boat may last another 20 years :cheers:
And that's understood, especially by me. I bought my 84 CCP in 95. Spent a year fixing it to my way of use. Put on a new motor (96) and did minimum fiberglass repair. I replaced the tank in 96 (ruptured after topping it off with 85 gals. and running in very rough seas). Replaced the tank and ran it for the next 14 years after which I sold it to charter member of this group who has owned as many or more Aquas than me and it's still going strong.
CCPs have a good record for stoutness and strong stringers. The deck and transom is IMHO above average (my 84 is still original) so you take your chances. Members who rebuild them will have a lifetime boat and we have a good number on this Forum. Still, I chose my 91 because first, I had always wanted a WAC and second because the work it needed, I was comfortable with. It's been a great boat and I feel at ease with such an old hull. It took about a year to decide but I didn't want one I needed to tear apart so I get your concerns. You'll know when you find the right one.
Good luck and always remember, the best part of getting your boat is in the hunt. :thumleft:
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Thanks everyone. Think I'll try and establish a price and see where it goes
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As Bob said, you have a 1981 model year 22-2 that was made in August of 1980 - just before Aquasport changed the design in 1981. The biggest change was the console - the pre-1981 CCPs had the "old style" console and the post-1981 models had the "new style" console. Some folks like the old version better than the new - it's a matter of taste and preference. John Dupree has had both - it would be interesting to hear his opinion of new versus old... :scratch:
Regarding your tank, Phil at Alloy Metal Works did the tank on my 22-2CCP - which is just like yours. :cheers: He has the drawings/specs and charged me $650 for the tank a couple years ago. Alloy Metal Works contact info is in the Vendors section and be sure to ask for the Classic Aquasport discount!
As stated above, the deck can be a bit "springy" on each side and under the coffin, but should not be "soft." The most common area for problems is between the anchor locker and the under-deck hatch/stowage compartment in front of the coffin. You can remove the 12 screws holding the coffin down and lift the coffin up pretty easily - there is a pie plate under the coffin you can open and look inside under the deck. Put a camera under there and flash a bunch of pictures and you can get an idea of the deck condition. Also, you can remove the hatch in the deck in front of the coffin and check the edges of the decking for delamination. It might be better than you think - good luck! :wink: